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    I first heard about the truth through my mum when she was studying with JWs in the late 1990s

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    "Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah's mouth" - Matthew 4:4

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  1. This is a view of the mountains in my home country, Kyrgyzstan. Here are some more photos of the "Switzerland of Central Asia". https://www.remotelands.com/travelogues/central-asias-switzerland-paradise-in-kyrgyzstan/ People who have been both to Switzerland and Kyrgyzstan say that the latter is far more beautiful.
  2. They are holding a "great whore" sign. That is probably why they were considered a nuisance. This reminds me of a discussion I had with two elders during a Bible study about two weeks ago. As we were discussing something, the topic of the Babylonian prostitute came up. Since one of the brothers was not very fluent in Russian, I switched to Kyrgyz and asked them if it was Ok to call the Babylonian prostitute a "whore". They were taken aback a bit and said it would be inappropriate both in Russian and Kyrgyz. So is it OK to use "whore" to describe the Babylon the Great in English?
  3. Theoretically they should be, but in practice, if you look at human justice systems, a 10-year‐old criminal is not treated in the same way as a 30‐year‐old one. For example, if a boy steals a very expensive smartphone, he will not be sent to jail. In contrast, a grown man who does the same thing will end up in jail. If human systems being corrupt show this kind of mercy, God's love‐based perfect system, in my view, will be more merciful towards young people. This makes me wonder how children who committed crimes were treated under the Mosaic law.
  4. Br. Timothy, can you please post the old and new Korean terms on here? When I hear the word "govern" in English, I think first of commercial or political organisations. There is nothing negative or positive about it to me, meaning just the act of showing leadership in a particular way. In Russian, the governing body literally means "the council of those who lead by the hand".
  5. I am not sure if it is a recent thing or been practised since ancient times, but there is a Jewish ritual called Bar mitzvah. It is for boys who come of age at the age of 13 and become accountable just as adult men. As for becoming a man at the age of 30 in Jewish culture, I did a little research on it and learnt that there is a belief, which is apparently based on Genesis 41:46 where 30-year-old Joseph becomes the prime minister of Egypt, that a man becomes mature enough for leadership roles only at 30 years of age. Interestingly, John the Baptist also is also said to have started his ministry around 30. It appears that all Levite priests also started their ministries at 30. So if we take into account the fact that priests started their sacred service at 30, Jesus was also fulfilling that requirement of the Mosaic law as our high priest, was he not? I have found this interesting article by a Jew who explains the significance of hitting 30 in Judaism and cites some rabbinical stuff. https://www.aish.com/ci/s/48917052.html
  6. I am sure the kingdom hall bit is largely the same around the world. I meant speeches at the reception bit. What about the bouquet throwing? Sorry, I am going off topic here, but I am very curious. I know that brothers in my home country do not say toasts at all. When I heard that, I was kind of relieved because toasting is a big thing at weddings and other celebratory events in Eurasia. Sometimes people are expected to toast in turns till they finish whatever they are drinking.
  7. How long are usually wedding speeches? I have never been to a JW wedding and I do not know if they are done in the same way as worldly ones. So since we are talking about wedding speeches, is the worldly wedding tradition of the best man giving a speech also observed?
  8. "27 do not give the Devil an opportunity.*+ 28 Let the one who steals steal no more; rather, let him do hard work, doing good work with his hands" Ephesians 4:27-28
  9. In Central Asia, I would not say many accept the truth. For example, in my home country the figure is a little over 5,000. In neighbouring Kazakhstan, which is 2.5 times bigger population-wise, the figure is about 17,000. Mind you, the figures also include non-Muslims like Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Koreans etc. In cities, the ministry is in many ways not very different from other parts of the world. There are some restrictions of course, but preaching work is progressing. In rural areas, it is a different ball game because folks there are more conservative, tribal and religious. There are also other countries in the region, but preaching work is largely banned there. As a result, the number of JWs is not that big, possibly about 1,000 in each of them. That is true. Pakistan and India also have huge Muslim populations. However, I did not mean the size of the population when I said that Central Asia is the second most Islamic region. Central Asia was historically part of the Middle East. It was actually called the Middle Asia or Middle East while the current Middle East used to be called Near East. But all of that changed when Imperial Russia came and colonised Middle Asia by separating it from the rest of the Muslim world. Then the outside world started calling the Near East the Middle East. Interestingly, in Russian, the old terminology is still in use. So Central Asia is called Middle Asia and the Middle East is called the Near East in Russian. So the current Middle East and Central Asia were once part of the same civillisational continuum and were actually part of many ancient empires. So many of the things you see in the Middle East, you will also see in Central Asia. Despite Russian colonisation and then Sovietisation, Central Asian people have largely been able to preserve their cultures and identities. That is correct. The Quran says that God is not born and does not beget anyone. It is actually one of the big teachings in Islam. They have been taught all their lives that God does not beget anyone and then someone tells them that Jesus is "the only-begotten Son of God". It is a huge shock for them. That is why I think it is a huge stumbling block for many Muslims Here is the specific verse from the Quran: "He neither begets nor is born" (Sincerity 112:3) http://koran.link/en__112/
  10. Yes, I do. I live in Central Asia, which is the second most Islamic region after the Middle East.
  11. That is a good point. @Mykyl asked earlier why Jesus did not start his ministry in his 20s. In the Middle East and other neighbouring regions, age is an important factor in commanding respect. I don't think Jesus would have been taken seriously had he started his ministry in his 20s. Even today in my region age plays an important role. If, for example, a 25-year-old was put in charge of a company, he would have a hard time running it despite his top-north qualifications and stuff. @Dismal_Bliss I personally understand the terminology, but it makes it difficult for folks like me when we talk to Muslims. They use this kind of terminology as an argument to impose their rules on people who want to convert. Christian converts, in turn, argue that you cannot be born into a religion. It is something that you decide when you feel ready for yourself. It is not like ethnicity or genetic diseases that you inherit from your parents automatically. So if we start saying that "we are born and raised JWs", it just strengthens the Muslims' argument and makes the conversion extremely difficult unless you flee to a non-Islamic country. Just imagine a fierce mob of Muslims hears that you have converted to Christianity and they come demanding that you renounce or die. You argue saying that you cannot be born into a religion and so on, but one of them shows a profile on this website and says here JWs say that you can be born into a religion.
  12. Thank you Brother for this reply. I have learnt something new and you also reminded me that only the anointed enter the new covenant. There is a difference between "spiritual age of majority" and "spiritual maturity". I used that the first phrase only to mean the start of legal responsibility. So Jews were literally born into their religion then. This reminds me of Muslims. Being born into religion is a big issue in Islam. It is what they call ethnic religion. They say once born you come under Islamic laws and cannot leave Islam. If you do, you should die. It is an argument they use against Christian converts. It is so annoying. Surprisingly, I was a bit shocked when I read on some profiles here that they are born into the truth and raised in the truth. Some even say "born and raised as JW".
  13. I have been thinking about your words. If today baptism acts as a marker of our 'spiritual age of majority', what about the past? There were no baptisms. So did circumcision act a marker for them? If I understand it correctly, today we enter the new covenant by getting baptised while in the past, people entered the old covenant by getting circumcised.
  14. A BBC report says neuroscientists have concluded that people do not reach adulthood till 30s. As we know, legally we all become 'adults' at 18 in many countries and if we commit a crime, we can end up in jail. This made me think about the age of majority in the spiritual sense. When do we start being held responsible for our sins in God's eyes? Does God treat a sin by a 10-year-old in the same way as that of a 30 year-old? People don't become 'adults' until their 30s, say scientists https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47622059
  15. Pumpkin dishes are great. I like pumpkin soups too. The flavour depends mainly on the type of the pumpkin. I don't like long pumpkins because soups from them come out tart and sometimes even a bit bitter. So I go for the round ones that look like giant daisies. We also use pumpkins as filling for steamed dumplings and tandoori samosas. They are one of our top local dishes in the region. Many years ago I tried Vegemite and did not like it at all. Then I tried it a few times more and now I really love it. Unfortunately, it is not sold in my region. So I eat it only when I can get hold of it from abroad. The same goes for sushi. I first tried it in the early 2000s and was disgusted with its specific odour. But now I really like eating all kinds of sushi once in a while. We have a fermented wheat drink called Maksym. It is one of my favourite Kyrgyz drinks and I have had it since a young age. I have offered it to some of my foreign friends and most did not like it. But locally it is liked by almost everyone regardless of ethnicity. So I believe it is also an acquired taste. @Thesauron, I have seen some videos of that stinky fish, Surstromming, you eat in your country. Some people eat it as a challenge in our parts and by the look of it all, it is only for those who have a strong stomach. I would still like to try it though.
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