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  1. I agree, though I wonder if multi-generational households living together may disagree. For example, if four of five generations live together, it is my understanding that in some cultures the patriarch still calls the shots. As an example, it seems that Benjamin, though he was a grown man, likely married with children of his own, was still very much at the mercy of his father's Jacob decison making when it came to determining whether or not he would be allowed to go to Egypt.
  2. They do not arm in advance, in anticipation of trouble. But when attacked they may ward off blows and strike in defense, though not in offense. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1955568?q=self+defense&p=par What Is the Bible’s View? Should You Defend Yourself? https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101975647
  3. Jesus Christ had to die. He specifically came to the Earth in order to die to cover our sins. Why would he stop them? On the other hand, did Paul just let himself be killed without appealling, just as Jesus did? Since Jesus is our model to follow closely, did Paul imitate Jesus in this regard? NO (I know we all agree we can appeal to Caesar, but the point I am making is that Jesus did not do this to stop from getting hurt/killed, and Paul did not imitate him in this aspect.) By the way @Shawnster What exactly would you do if you were an attendant at an assembly and a sister was getting beat up?
  4. As I said, but I'll repeat, the focus of the scriptures is to emphasize the need to avoid aggression or retaliation or provocation. Jehovah wisely avoided putting something in the Bible that could be used by others to be twisted around and used as a justification to be aggressive, or retaliate or provoke. Therefore it requires reading with discernment. I could ask you where it says not to smoke, or chew tobacco....but it's not there. So instead, we reason on the princples: Please refer to post #17.
  5. This has to be taken into context. Each case is unique, based on specific circumstances. It's a very tricky judgement call, and it's impossible to address every single scenario that could take place. The sentence in bold does not have any supporting scriptures. (The scriptures cited have nothing to do with physical assault.) The sentence is there to convey the idea that we are not looking for a fight - we are not holding up our fists, as though challenging someone to get in a fight with us. Most articles are written with this focus in mind. For example: These examples are all cherry-picked. They are specifically chosen to make a point about how we need to avoid aggression or retaliation or provocation. However, @Shannie was referring to a case where the person is clearly going to beat you up. And everytime this topic comes up, we get a lot of brothers making a lot of theoretical comments, but not grounded in reality. Case in point: When conventions are held in person, what do the attendants do if they see someone walk up and start hitting a sister? Do we honestly imagine the male attendants are all just going to stand there and watch? Good grief, common sense. Can you imagine the reproach that would bring on Jehovah? A news report showing able bodied men all just standing by doing nothing as a woman gets beat up? The principle: the Organization wants you to remember is: Be Peaceable: "If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men." - Romans 12:18. ** Notice that it says, if possible. The goal: to incapacitate the person so they can no longer harm anyone. The goal is not to take revenge, or cause them pain, though understandably, injury may come as a side effect of trying to incapacitate. If you want further proof, please check out the last scene in the basement video. Where were the women and children placed? Where are the brothers? Do you see their hands? Look carefully: they are keeping their hands free, and it appears they are ready to make a fist. When you watch this video, what exactly are you imagining is going to happen in the next couple seconds? Do you think the brothers are not going to put up a fight? (Mods: maybe the OP title can be modified?: Russian brothers attacked & how to respond appropriately to attack?)
  6. I think this word "children" requires more research. My mom was being slick and she caught me with this line of reasoning,
  7. Couldn't the word "children" apply to any age? For example, if you speak to an elderly woman, she could say, "I have 5 children." They are all adult children, but the parent speaking would still refer to them as her children, as they are, in fact, her children.
  8. umm.....I happen to know you have several good friends 🙂 So what are we? dog meat?
  9. "Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short." - Matt. 24:19-22
  10. @ijsvogel I read your post, and article quote. The quote has a scripture, and connects the scripture to the idea of living at home, but in fact the scripture does not say that. The scripture simply says to respect your parents, which always applies regardless of age or location.
  11. I believe this would apply to any situation regarding members living under someone's roof. For example, if your aunt or uncle or cousin came to live in your home, under your roof, then its understood they would have to follow certain household standards (just like a landlord/tenant) But this would have nothing to do with parental authority. See my comment above.
  12. Why would parental authority over a non-married adult child be based on geographic location? If a child becomes an adult, and still lives at home, they are still under the parental authority of their parents? But just because they physically move to a different location, they are suddenly no longer under that authority? This seems very arbitrary. If an adult child living at home simply does whatever their parents want, then at what point do they start bearing the responsibility for their own decisions? Doesn't common sense, and the Bible, show us that once a person becomes an adult (regardless of where they live) they have to start making their own decisions and be responsible for those decisions? "For each one will carry his own load." - Galatians 6:5. * Note that I am not referring to the obvious respect and adherence to household rules, that would apply to anyone living in someone else's house. Just like when a tenant (whether they are the adult child or not) rents a room in a house, they are under the authority of the landlord in certain aspects and are expected to follow certain household rules.
  13. What if the parents refuse to "allow" the adult child? Then what? While it is always good to ask advice from our parents who are older and (hopefully) wiser, it is not the same thing to allow your parents to make decisions for you. This type of thinking could cause an adult child to resent their parents. If the parents are overbearing, the adult child will lack any autonomy in their life. What kind of adult child allows their parents to make all their decisions for them? What then is the difference between an adult child and a minor child? How could a future marriage mate trust an adult child who has never asserted their own decision making skills and has to always rely on their parents as a crutch? What if the adult child wants to move to serve where there is need and the parents disagree? Should an adult child ask a parent permission to do something that takes precedence as God's will? The scriptures say "For each one will carry his own load." - Galatians 6:5 A wise parent, similar to a spiritual elder, will never impose themselves and force another person to make a decision based on their personal preference.
  14. This is actually a point I like to use in service, that 1914 is not an exclusive date made up only by JW's. Other Bible readers also started to discern the same date before it arrived.

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