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  1. People are getting boosters now and yet the vaccine has only been available for 8 months
  2. I've been wearing suits to every meeting (with a very few exceptions), so mine are still fine. Now shoes... I've not worn shoes to meetings or service since all this began. I don't have any dress shoes at the moment 😱
  3. Unless the antibody infusion contains blood, then the procedure is a conscience matter. So, the basic question is does this antibody infusion contain red cells, white cells, blood plasma, or platelets?
  4. Nope 🤣 Each congregation in the pilot program could possibly have unique instructions. I'm anxious to see how this develops
  5. As this is a sensitive situation and an unprecedented time, perhaps the course of wisdom is to only share details about the pilot program only if we are involved personally? We all know what happens when we spread second or third or more hand information. Facts get distorted, embellished, left out, etc... We need to also keep in mind the rules for one congregation in the pilot program may not be the same as the rules in another congregation. We might expect the rules to be the same but what we expect may not be what happens.
  6. (Matthew 6:27) 27 Who of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his life span? Jesus said there are some things we should not worry about until it's time to worry about them. Unless our congregation is part of the pilot program, there is no reason or benefit to concern ourselves.
  7. This is a very nice analogy. Thanks! From what I've read on here it looks like it's on an individual congregation basis. So, I guess you could say community basis. Definitely not every congregation in a state or large region (or even a circuit) I don't see this happening anywhere in the United States anytime soon, but I've been wrong so often that I really don't know.
  8. There is a provision in place for ones who cannot make their own meeting to watch a pre record meeting through JW Stream. Ask one of your elders for details on how this can be done. Since it's pre recorded, she won't be able to participate in the Watchtower.
  9. So, Marcy, at what point is it OK to resist the superior authorities? What do you scriptures support resisting the superior authorities? What publications mayyo refer to in researching this further? Are they getting beat by the police or by a civilian? You seem to be indicating there is no difference between the two while others here have repeatedly pointed out that a Christian's reaction depends on the attackers. Odds are of it was the police or military then I'd no longer be an attendant but a fellow prisoner. Appealing to Caesar is not the same as physically fighting back, and it appears you acknowledge that. Let's keep to the topic of physical assault. On the other hand, Witnesses can and do use legal means to defend ourselves. We can rightly appeal out mistreatment to Caesar. Unfortunately, if Caesar is also doing the beating, that appeal will likely fall on deaf ears. Still, JW.org continues to expose these atrocities for all to see and the European Court of Human Rights has gotten involved. Hasn't done much good yet, but we are appealing these crimes the best way we can.
  10. And by we I meant my congregation. We were using cordless hand mics. We bought booms right as pandemic began and we all shut down.
  11. We will use boom mics once we are back to the hall. The audience should not need to touch the mic
  12. Yeah, it might be a bit much to condemn Johnson and Johnson. Nothing is perfect but that doesn't mean the attempt was worthless.
  13. Well, there is the example of our Lord an Savior, Jesus Christ. He left us a model for us to follow in his footsteps closely. (1 Peter 2:23) When he was being insulted, he did not insult in return. When he was suffering, he did not threaten, but he entrusted himself to the One who judges righteously. On the night of Jesus death he was beat and whipped at the hands of the legal authorities. Jesus did not fight back. He did not resist the beating. He didn't even resist arrest even though his apostles brought two swords along with them to the Garden of Gethsemane. In fact, that was Jesus whole point with the object lesson of having swords but choosing not to use them. There is also the example of the apostles, including the apostle Paul. (2 Corinthians 11:21-27) But if others act boldly—I am talking unreasonably—I too act boldly. 22 Are they Hebrews? I am one also. Are they Israelites? I am one also. Are they Abraham’s offspring? I am also. 23 Are they ministers of Christ? I reply like a madman, I am more outstandingly one: I have done more work, been imprisoned more often, suffered countless beatings, and experienced many near-deaths. 24 Five times I received 40 strokes less one from the Jews, 25 three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I experienced shipwreck, a night and a day I have spent in the open sea; 26 in journeys often, in dangers from rivers, in dangers from robbers, in dangers from my own people, in dangers from the nations, in dangers in the city, in dangers in the wilderness, in dangers at sea, in dangers among false brothers, 27 in labor and toil, in sleepless nights often, in hunger and thirst, frequently without food, in cold and lacking clothing. It's easy to imply that the instances where the apostles actually fought or resisted persecution at the hands of the authorities simply were not recorded in the scriptures. That statement is impossible to prove or disprove. Instead, all we can do is focus on what is actually recorded in the scriptures. What is recorded is that in both the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures Christians are admonished to be in subjection to the superior authorities and, as in the example of Jesus, we even willingly submit to being beaten, imprisoned, even put to death by the superior authorities. That is the key - these persecutions are at the hands of the superior authorities. The persecution is because we are servants of Jehovah. This is different than facing a burglar or rapist or mass murderer. Yet, even in those instances the amount of force a Christian would use to defend themselves would only be enough to give us opportunity to flee. We don't have the right to become Batman and impose vigilante justice. The defending ourselves does not mean we are necessarily free of bloodguilt if we go beyond defense and actually kill our attacker. Yes, every situation is different, there is no clear-cut, black and white, one size fits all judgement in such situations. On the other hand, there is no scripture that says "thou shalt not kill unless thou art being attacked." We don't have a blanket approval in the scriptures that absolves us of bloodguilt in such a situation. In answer to Shannie's outrage - yes, these attacks are horrible. They are reprehensible. They are a violation of human rights. Jehovah will hold those who have committed these atrocities accountable. Sadly, because these assaults are being done by the superior authorities and because these attacks are because we are Jehovah's chosen people, our brothers and sisters must endure and they need our prayers as a result.
  14. *** w90 11/1 pp. 27-28 par. 18 Our Relative Subjection to the Superior Authorities *** 18 When persecution arises because the authority misunderstands the Christian position or because Christendom’s religious leaders have misrepresented Jehovah’s Witnesses to the authority, presenting the facts to the authority might result in an easing of the pressure. Having a mild temper and deep respect, a Christian does not fight back physically against persecutors. He does, however, use every legal means available to defend his faith. Then he leaves matters in Jehovah’s hands.—Philippians 1:7; Colossians 4:5, 6. https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1990806&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=26
  15. Can you please define strong magnet? How do I know what is a strong vs. Weak magnet. I mean, j have magnets on my fridge that my granddaughter cannot pull off, but she's 1. How do I determine polarity? They all stick to the fridge.
  16. You'll notice the Christians did not fight back. They stood there and took the beating.
  17. I'm most cases the revised outlines are considerably different. These are much more than just revised stats or data. I have outline #23 "Life does have a purpose." The vast majority of the talk was about creation, Earth's place in the solar system, water cycle, earth's ability to repair itself. Only the conclusion did it bring out scriptures and spiritual points. The entire talk was updated and now only 1 little 8 min section is devoted to Jehovah's physical creations. It's a major overhaul.
  18. We had this talk this summer. It is a shame that some brothers don't realize their talks are updated. Understandable, but a shame.
  19. Congratulations! My daughter-in-law, a nurse in an ER, is pregnant with her second daughter. She was vaccinated last February but she's holding off from getting the booster until after she gives birth in December. Your hesitancy is not without merit. Shannon, no, you should not feel like you are doing anything wrong so long as you are continuing to make the best effort you can to limit your exposure to Coronavirus. Wearing a mask, washing your hands, and social distancing are three methods all of us can take to limit our exposure. The governing body can not and will not ever mandate the vaccine. That would be unscriptural, beyond their authority, and would be the opposite of being faithful and discreet. What has prompted the governing body's concerns as we have seen in updates #7 and #8 are the number of Witnesses who are violating their Christian values by taking a vocal stand against the governments' directions in regards methods of preventing infection including vaccination. For example, just look at the comments in this and any other Covid-19 discussion on this board. You will see many comments reviling both vaccines in general and this vaccine in particular. You will see vocal opinions that ridicule how the governments are handling this situation. You will see comments that actually belittle the use of vaccines. These comments are unscriptural, unloving, and divisive. It is this attitude, an attitude of pushing personal opinion loudly to the point of driving a wedge in the congregation that has caused the governing body to take the stand we've seen in these last two updates. Jehovah's Witnesses are not opposed to vaccination, including the Covid-19 vaccination. Therefore, any decision a person makes to not receive this vaccine is a personal choice and not "because they are one of Jehovah's Witnesses." This personal choice of theirs would be the same regardless whether this person was a Witnesses or not. Everyone opposed to the vaccine has their own reasons for this opposition and, when asked, are within their right to express why they choose to avoid the vaccine. There is nothing unwholesome or unchristian about this. The problem develops when an individual goes beyond simply explaining when asked why they are not getting the vaccine. At that point the conversation shifts from merely explaining one's personal decision to proselytizing or promoting one's opinion as if everyone should feel the same way. Further, such vocal opinions are contradicting the directions we receive from the government. The Bible is clear that we obey the government in every aspect unless their directions violate Jehovah's laws. By their very nature, anti-vaccine comments are negative and they serve as a wedge to divide the congregation. When these derogatory comments are fueled by false facts, distortions, half-truths, opinions, or outright lies, then these comments become especially dangerous. Shannon, we appreciate the efforts you are making in regards your health and the well-being of those under your care. We respect your right to choose to avoid the vaccination. We also appreciate the efforts you make in keeping JWTalk a place of upbuilding encouragement by your resistance to spread negative talk in regards vaccinations.
  20. The government needs to do something. Again, going back to Carlos' seatbelt illustration - why mandate seat belt use? Actually, ultimately, the ultimatums about employment are designed to encourage people to get vaccinated. With as much political opposition to vaccinations in the United States, the government's options are limited. A government's ability to rule is limited to either the carrot or the stick. The carrots haven't worked, so all that is left is the stick. Now, as for the other aspect of your question... If I understand you correctly, I think you might be missing a point. I apologize if this sounds like I'm mansplaining or talking to you like you're 5. I can't think of a better way to approach this. Viral load = the amount of the virus an infected person carries. So, on the average, an infected vaccinated individual carries the same amount of coronavirus as an infected unvaccinated person. Now, here is the point I believe you are overlooking. There are still more unvaccinated individuals contracting Covid than there are vaccinated persons who contract Covid. So, while the amount of viral load is the same regardless whether a person is vaccinated or not, the key is that wearing a mask, social distancing, hand washing, and getting vaccinated does make it less likely that an individual will become infected. Is it 100% protection? No. Nothing in this world offers 100% protection. The goal for mask mandates, social distancing, hand washing, and vaccination is to reduce the spread of Coronavirus. The goal is to limit the amount of people infected. That number will never be 0 in this system of things. However, if the numbers drop to around the same numbers reported each year for, say, influenza infections, then society could completely return to normal and there would no longer be any need for masks or social distancing. Perhaps even vaccination mandates would end and the Covid vaccine would be viewed in the same category as the MMR vaccine, TDAP vaccine, or even the annual flu shot. But, until then, something needs done to help continue to push infection numbers down.
  21. Slightly off topic... Have you ever noticed that the logic used in fashion and branding is quite circular? For example on the lower end of the spectrum folks like us pay money to wear products with branding artwork. For example, we purchase a shirt of a hoodie that has a Nike logo on it (or Pink! or some souvenir clothing or whatever). At the same time, millionaire athletes and media personalities get paid by companies to wear their products! The same goes for clothing. People of limited means and low income wear home-made clothing (or, at least, they used to) because they can't afford store-bought clothes. At the same time, millionaire athletes and media personalities pay outrageous amounts of money to wear hand-crafted "one of a kind" outfits. It's crazy! Yes, Josephine, I am with you on looking forward to what fashion will be like in the new world when we have done away with today's crazy circular thinking.

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