Meet you at the DMZ , around 5:00 ish ?

[Doug]

When Trump said he 'got the idea' to suggest a get together with Kim Jong Un at the DMZ. .  .  . That was Jehovah planted that idea.

 

Peace and Security. It could be one declaration or it could be a series of events accruing.

[GraceH]

55 minutes ago, Doug said:

When Trump said he 'got the idea' to suggest a get together with Kim Jong Un at the DMZ. .  .  . That was Jehovah planted that idea.

 

Peace and Security. It could be one declaration or it could be a series of events accruing.

It may or may not be. I hope you are right. The cry of peace and security could have started with the first meeting between Trump and Kim and could have continued as a series of events, gradually including meetings between Kim and Putin and Kim and President Xi. Is it all leading to a Declaration of Peace (where there is none), where the most important world leaders will all make it happen together, with the Pope present, and maybe even the UN? Who knows. We just have to keep busy with the preaching work and see what happens. What about Iran and a possible War? Peace in the Middle East? What does that all mean? Could it just be that Iran is a part of the King of the North and there will be no battle but just a fulfilment of the pushing and shoving?

 

I do not know. Time will tell.

Edited June 30, 2019 by GraceH

[GraceH]

58 minutes ago, Doug said:

When Trump said he 'got the idea' to suggest a get together with Kim Jong Un at the DMZ. .  .  . That was Jehovah planted that idea.

 

Peace and Security. It could be one declaration or it could be a series of events accruing.

I am curious, what makes you think that Jehovah planted the idea. A lot goes on the background that we, the public, do not hear about. It could have been pre-planned. A lot, of planning goes into these things between countries, to give across, sometimes that events occurred on a moment's notice etc. possibly to make them look good. Although, what you said also does occur as a possibility.

Edited June 30, 2019 by GraceH

[Nirex]

I had that thought as well when reading it. But... Trump has been known to suddenly have a thought in other news articles through the months. Or so he claims.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/trump-in-south-korea-trump-visits-dmz-today-live-stream-live-updates-2019-06-30/
 

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Mr. Trump said the meeting is "just a step" but he hoped it would be an "hopefully a step in the right direction."

 

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Mr. Trump repeated that this visit had been set "a number of months ago," but "yesterday, I had the idea, maybe I'll call Chairman Kim and see if he wants to say hello."

Live Updates: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-dmz-kim-live-intl-hnk/index.html

Edited June 30, 2019 by Nirex

[GraceH]

Donald Trump invites Kim to the White House. https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-dmz-kim-live-intl-hnk/index.html😂

[Nirex]

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US President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have just sat down together, with Kim saying he was "surprised" by the open invitation Trump issued over Twitter yesterday.

Apparently Twitter is how we get things done these days. 😂

...If the system lasted long enough, I see that as a terrible flaw in cyber security. Someone decides to hack Trumps account and troll Kim for the lulz. 😳

 

 

... So you may not be too far off about it being Jehovahs thought.

 

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"If it wasn't for that good relationship, we would not have been able to make this sudden meeting possible," Kim said, adding: “I had wanted to meet you again.”

"So this excellent relationship in the future as well, I hope that it can be the foundation for better things in the future that people will be not expecting. And this will be a very mysterious force that allows us to overcome many difficulties that existed in the past."

 

 

Edited June 30, 2019 by Nirex

[JennyM]

4 hours ago, Nirex said:

Apparently Twitter is how we get things done these days. 😂

...If the system lasted long enough, I see that as a terrible flaw in cyber security. Someone decides to hack Trumps account and troll Kim for the lulz. 😳

 

 

... So you may not be too far off about it being Jehovahs thought.

 

 

Wow. mysterious force.....

[Shawnster]

9 hours ago, Doug said:

When Trump said he 'got the idea' to suggest a get together with Kim Jong Un at the DMZ. .  .  . That was Jehovah planted that idea.

 

Peace and Security. It could be one declaration or it could be a series of events accruing.

The saying of "Peace and Security" is a demonic expression.  It is not from Jehovah.  

 

Jehovah will not be the one to plant the idea.   This was clarified in a part on JW Broadcasting by Brother Schafer.  Either late 2017 or early 218.  He connected this with the demonic froglike expressions in Revelation.  https://jwtalk.net/topic/35622-kick-offof-to-peace-securitygt/?do=findComment&comment=551642

 

 

Edited June 30, 2019 by Shawnster

[Doug]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

The saying of "Peace and Security" is a demonic expression.  It is not from Jehovah.  

 

Jehovah will not be the one to plant the idea.   This was clarified in a part on JW Broadcasting by Brother Schafer.  Either late 2017 or early 218.  He connected this with the demonic froglike expressions in Revelation.  https://jwtalk.net/topic/35622-kick-offof-to-peace-securitygt/?do=findComment&comment=551642

 

 

Thank you for the link. I haven't checked it out yet, but look forward to .

 

My reasoning was :

Putting Hooks in Satan's Jaws. - w97  6/1  pp 12-17a

 

Ezekiel 38 foretells that Gog of Magog will lead an attack on God's people. Verse 4 shows that God's people need not fear this attack, however, because IT IS OF JEHOVAH'S DOING.

But why would God PROVOKE an all out attack on his people? Verse 23 explains.

 

In my mind, Jehovah is involved in the fulfillment of every detail of prophesy. Nevertheless, I will listen to the talk you shared and thank you for that. 

[BenJepthah]

14 hours ago, Doug said:

When Trump said he 'got the idea' to suggest a get together with Kim Jong Un at the DMZ. .  .  . That was Jehovah planted that idea.

 

Peace and Security. It could be one declaration or it could be a series of events accruing.

It certainly is an historic event. If NK can be brought into a semblance of prosperity and a peaceful contributing member of the international community then other nations will see it as beneficial to follow the same pattern. Such a condition could certainly be along the path of peace and security.

[Shawnster]

19 hours ago, Doug said:

Thank you for the link. I haven't checked it out yet, but look forward to .

 

My reasoning was :

Putting Hooks in Satan's Jaws. - w97  6/1  pp 12-17a

 

Ezekiel 38 foretells that Gog of Magog will lead an attack on God's people. Verse 4 shows that God's people need not fear this attack, however, because IT IS OF JEHOVAH'S DOING.

But why would God PROVOKE an all out attack on his people? Verse 23 explains.

 

In my mind, Jehovah is involved in the fulfillment of every detail of prophesy. Nevertheless, I will listen to the talk you shared and thank you for that. 

I shared where we discussed the talk.  I didn't find a link to the talk. 

 

I understand your reasoning and the information was a surprise to me.  Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jehovah motivates the saying of peace and security.  Nowhere.  

 

Jehovah uses those fish hooks at the great tribulation to cause the destruction of Babylon the Great and then the rest of Satan's system. 

 

Peace and security comes before the great tribulation.  The great tribulation is the sudden destruction. 

 

 

[Bek]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

  The great tribulation is the sudden destruction. 

 

 

Thank you, Br Shawn, for this. I was wondering earlier today what was meant by "sudden destruction".

 

But why will the GT be "a sudden destruction"? I thought it would last quite a bit. 

 

Edited July 1, 2019 by Bek

[GraceH]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

I shared where we discussed the talk.  I didn't find a link to the talk. 

 

I understand your reasoning and the information was a surprise to me.  Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jehovah motivates the saying of peace and security.  Nowhere.  

 

Jehovah uses those fish hooks at the great tribulation to cause the destruction of Babylon the Great and then the rest of Satan's system. 

 

Peace and security comes before the great tribulation.  The great tribulation is the sudden destruction. 

 

 

So if the cry of peace and security comes from Satan and his demons than the GT happens, does that mean that Satan and his demons know when the GT is going to occur. Or is it propaganda and they do not know and potentially Jehovah will change the tides just like that (without Satan and the demons knowing) into declaring the destruction of false religion (starting the GT).

[JennyM]

There will be no real peace.. Before 1914 if I remember, many nations signed several treaties. (sorry don;t have time to show evidences)  

 

But the world war broke out. 

 

Maybe this time,  nations are cooking for another war  to gain money... Jehovah knows this so he's going to bring sudden destruction if they start to cry peace and security... 

 

We are  always in danger because the nations have nuclear weapons that can destroy the earth more than  50 times. 

 

 

[BenJepthah]

55 minutes ago, Bek said:

Thank you, Br Shawn, for this. I was wondering earlier today what was meant by "sudden destruction".

 

But why will the GT be "a sudden destruction"? I thought it would last quite a bit. 

 

The sudden destruction could either be a distinct sudden single event which forces the nations into the GT ( which then lasts a longer time of unknown duration ) or it could be that the destruction which IS the GT begins very suddenly ( the sudden destruction at the beginning of ).  

   Think of it as an iceberg. Either thebiceberg hits the ship ( sudden destruction) thenthe ahip dink’s slowly ( GT). OR the ice berg hits the ship( sudden destruction) then continues to grind down the entire length of the ship ( GT). 

     Either way what Bliss!

[Shawnster]

12 hours ago, GraceH said:

So if the cry of peace and security comes from Satan and his demons than the GT happens, does that mean that Satan and his demons know when the GT is going to occur. Or is it propaganda and they do not know and potentially Jehovah will change the tides just like that (without Satan and the demons knowing) into declaring the destruction of false religion (starting the GT).

No.  It means Jehovah knows when satan is going to cause the nations to declare P&S.  Jehovah knows what moves Satan will make before Satan makes them. 

 

12 hours ago, Bek said:

But why will the GT be "a sudden destruction"? I thought it would last quite a bit

Because that is what the bible says.   1 Thessalonians 5:3  Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. 

 

 

You thought it would last quite a while?  How long is quite a while?  What you think is quite a while someone else might think is sudden.  You ask 5 people here how much time is "sudden" and you will get 10 answers. 

 

Long time...  Sudden...  Both of these are very vague and open to personal opinion. 

 

Is a year sudden?  Depends.  If you are talking about the length of a marriage, then, yes.  If you are talking about the length of a courtship, then no. 

 

[Doug]

14 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

  Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jehovah motivates the saying of peace and security.  Nowhere.  

 

OK. Where does the Bible say he doesn't ?

 

13 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 It means Jehovah knows when satan is going to cause the nations to declare P&S.  Jehovah knows what moves Satan will make before Satan makes them. 

 

Jehovah is taking his cue from Satan? 

[Shawnster]

8 hours ago, Doug said:

OK. Where does the Bible say he doesn't ?

 

Jehovah is taking his cue from Satan? 

It is impossible to prove a negative.  Ill just wait until you have opportunity to review the broadcast delivered by brother Schafer. Hopefully someone has the link 

[Shawnster]

Found it!  https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/pub-jwb_201802_12_VIDEO

 

Morning worship video delivered by David Schafer.  Based on Revelation 16:13-16

 

 

[Dustparticle]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Found it!  https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/pub-jwb_201802_12_VIDEO

 

Morning worship video delivered by David Schafer.  Based on Revelation 16:13-16

 

 

 That false prophet is the Anglo-American Power. They will have a major rule with Peace and Security.

[Shawnster]

25 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

 That false prophet is the Anglo-American Power. They will have a major rule with Peace and Security.

Good point.  

[Allabord4Jah]

On 6/30/2019 at 1:12 AM, Doug said:

When Trump said he 'got the idea' to suggest a get together with Kim Jong Un at the DMZ. .  .  . That was Jehovah planted that idea.

 

Peace and Security. It could be one declaration or it could be a series of events accruing.

The only Idea that Jehovah will plant in the minds of the government leaders will be to destroy Babylon The Great.  I doubt he planted this idea in these world leaders. 

[Dustparticle]

What Trump is doing is cutting red tape. No diplomacy, just straight to it and that is speeding things up. It would take years with diplomacy of what Trump is doing. he is cutting a lot of red tapes. Diplomacy would tell Trump when you go to NK, start with your right foot first and make sure you count 20 steps, turn around a smile for pictures and make sure that when walking back to SK, start with your left foot and count 25 steps so making sure you back to SK fully.

[Doug]

14 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Found it!  https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/pub-jwb_201802_12_VIDEO

 

Morning worship video delivered by David Schafer.  Based on Revelation 16:13-16

 

 

Going back to my OP:

 

"That was  xxxxxx  Satan planted that idea."

 

I knew somebody did it  !!!

 

Thank you for the correction.