11 Dimensions? - Understanding needed.

[Ahuvah]

Saw a video on youtube (yeah I know, woohoo true blue - not!) - I couldn't get my head around it - can someone explain how would there be 11 Dimensions and how each dimension works?

Obviously an unproved theory - but how do they produce these theories?

 

 

[New World Explorer]

Ok ..there is more

What is the 12th dimension?

ABOUT THE TWELFTH DIMENSION

The twelfth dimension has a unified field which means that when you work from this dimension, you simultaneously have access to the dimensions, magnetics, worlds and all aspects of the universe. The twelfth dimension resides outside of time and through (not in) space.

 

And what is really important is found here:

Mathematician Calculates the Dimensions of a Perfect Doughnut

https://www.foodandwine.com/fwx/food/mathematician-calculates-dimensions-perfect-doughnut

Edited October 16, 2019 by New World Explorer

[Ahuvah]

Makes 3D sound boring doesn't it?

[New World Explorer]

Topology explained – and why you're a donut

If you want to find out about relation between string theory and a donut ..then keep reading LOL

https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/what-is-topology

[Ahuvah]

why do donuts appear in almost every analogy or theory - another thing that puzzles me.

3 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Topology explained – and why you're a donut

If you want to find out about relation between string theory and a donut ..then keep reading LOL

https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/what-is-topology

tomorrow's study - if anyone in the meantime can put it in simpler terms I'd be so grateful.

[New World Explorer]

I do believe that dimensions are strongly depended on mutual dependencies. Layers?

For  example

What we think of as a river cannot exist if we remove the water. That’s just a dry depression. It cannot exist as water alone. That could be a cloud or an ocean. It is only by the interaction of the water and the depression that a river arises.

5 minutes ago, Stormswift said:

why do donuts appear in almost every analogy or theory - another thing that puzzles me.

Just do nut fight it ..accept it LOL

[Ahuvah]

I hate not getting the simple stuff.

[Ahuvah]

32 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

For  example

What we think of as a river cannot exist if we remove the water. That’s just a dry depression. It cannot exist as water alone. That could be a cloud or an ocean. It is only by the interaction of the water and the depression that a river arises.

Explain this then ...  Grins. Depression + Boulders - water = Lake.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2019 by Stormswift

[carlos]

It's impossible for a human brain to understand additional dimensions. If they exist, they are beyond our reach. It's a bit like infinity. We can make calculations about them, we can describe their properties, but we cannot really comprehend what they are. The whole mathematic calculations scientists use to reach those conclusions are extremely theoretical.

 

This is the best explanation I have come across (and it doesn't explain much really): Imagine a 2-dimensional world. It would be like an immense paper sheet with everything (people, animals, mountains, rivers...) drawn on it. Height would be zero, there would only exist width and length. Imagine the inhabitants of that world trying to conceive what a third dimension would be like. It would be impossible for them. Now imagine a 3D object, for example a sphere, goes through that world. How would its inhabitants experience it? They would first see a point, then a small circle that gradually becomes wider and wider until it reaches the equator of the sphere and then the circle becomes smaller and smaller until it becomes just a point and then disappears. Since they have no notion of height, for them the passing sphere is a circle that grows and then diminishes. If the sphere remained stuck in that world they would experience it just as a circle.

 

Now imagine our 3D world. If an object with 4, 7 or 11 dimensions crossed our world we still would only perceive it in three dimensions. We can mathematically describe the object, calculate its geometry, find its properties, but we cannot create a real image of it in our brain.

[Hinata]

I think the talk about the 11th dimension may come from the M-theory. (The super-string theory.)

 

First, I hope you know what the string theory is. Basically, I am sure what the video was telling was that, our universe is most likely made up of 11 dimensions. Even though on a glimpse, it looks like a 3-D space. So how does it work?

 

Well, imagine such an illustration: Let's say you have a pole, like a cane, which is a 3-D cylinder. But if you place it from a far away and look at it, it will look like just a regular line, which is a 1-D object. The 3-D shape, (the height, depth and the width) only appears after you getting very close to the cylinder.

 

Our universe may work in similar way. On a simple look, our world, the universe and nature, it looks like a 3D space. But if we were to zoom in very closely, only then would we discover the hidden dimension in our universe, which would be very microscopic. It is at this level the strings vibrates to form different "quarks," which are the building materials of our universe.

 

The scientists are still at disagreement at these numbers. Some gives number like 7 dimensions, others 26. These are only very hypothetical at the best such high dimensions do not make sense for us, as they are only mathematically defined.

 

In order to truly test the string theory, one would need to build a test lab that is the size of about our own solar system. (That is, bigger than our Earth and the Sun.)

[Newtonian]

5 hours ago, Stormswift said:

Saw a video on youtube (yeah I know, woohoo true blue - not!) - I couldn't get my head around it - can someone explain how would there be 11 Dimensions and how each dimension works?

Obviously an unproved theory - but how do they produce these theories?

 

 

We do know something about the 5th dimension - just listen to their songs!

 

Seriously, this is  one model of String theory (the 11 dimension model) - and some scientists reject this theory..

 

Some say:

 

No strings attached.

 

But appearances can be deceiving!

[Newtonian]

13 minutes ago, YukitoMatsuzuki said:

I think the talk about the 11th dimension may come from the M-theory. (The super-string theory.)

 

First, I hope you know what the string theory is. Basically, I am sure what the video was telling was that, our universe is most likely made up of 11 dimensions. Even though on a glimpse, it looks like a 3-D space. So how does it work?

 

Well, imagine such an illustration: Let's say you have a pole, like a cane, which is a 3-D cylinder. But if you place it from a far away and look at it, it will look like just a regular line, which is a 1-D object. The 3-D shape, (the height, depth and the width) only appears after you getting very close to the cylinder.

 

Our universe may work in similar way. On a simple look, our world, the universe and nature, it looks like a 3D space. But if we were to zoom in very closely, only then would we discover the hidden dimension in our universe, which would be very microscopic. It is at this level the strings vibrates to form different "quarks," which are the building materials of our universe.

 

The scientists are still at disagreement at these numbers. Some gives number like 7 dimensions, others 26. These are only very hypothetical at the best such high dimensions do not make sense for us, as they are only mathematically defined.

 

In order to truly test the string theory, one would need to build a test lab that is the size of about our own solar system. (That is, bigger than our Earth and the Sun.)

Excellent informative post!

 

The only thing I disagree with is the notion that we cannot understand other dimensions.  I think more correctly that we do not understand other dimensions - yet.

 

The same with different types of infinities - some, in ignorance (incliuding many scientists) assume there is only one type of infinity - but such is circular reasoning assuming the very definition of infinity is constrained by our dictionary definitions.

 

For example, there are time dependent and time independent infinites.

 

For example, our universe will expand infinitely - in infinite future time.   However, at any one specific time the expansion of our uinverse is finite as is the size of our universe.

 

Btw - we do not know if angels actually travel FTL (=faster than light) - it may be they are crossing over other dimensions rather than simply moving 3-d (+ our universe specific space/time).

 

We need to wait for the joy of discovery!

[Dustparticle]

 

There is no doubt that there is a Fifth Dimension

 

[Ahuvah]

Thanks ... the quarks becoming building blocks in different dimensions do actually make sense, but still can't grasp the functions of subsequent dimensions - and I guess if they exist - we aren't meant to - yet.

Yes  Newtonian, discovery will be incredible in the NS if this knowledge is ours to know.

[New World Explorer]

1 hour ago, Stormswift said:

Thanks ... the quarks becoming building blocks in different dimensions do actually make sense, but still can't grasp the functions of subsequent dimensions - and I guess if they exist - we aren't meant to - yet.

Yes  Newtonian, discovery will be incredible in the NS if this knowledge is ours to know.

Why you think we have eternity given to us as a gift? 

Discovery, learning in a New World will be so exciting... 

We are too imperfect and poor on time, due to our limited life span too I “get into serious stuff of Jehovah’s creation” 

 

I am very interested in astronomy etc, in Paradise I want to build a room with a telescope “sticking to the skies” and keep learning about Jehovah’s beautiful creation. 

 

 

[Ahuvah]

Haha Me too, but it's going to be more a little tower with a spiral staircase. I'm trying to locate a telescope right now so I can organize young ones in the congo to go out to the beach in summer. 

 

I guess that's why this topic intrigues me.

[Beggar for the Spirit]

My understanding is that 1 reason theoretical physicists have tried to develop "String Theory", "Superstring Theory", etc is because they are unable to unify "General Relativity"and "Quantum Mechanics". So when they add more dimensions to our 4 dimension universe, some of their theories are "plausible".  Mandi, here is a brief explanation of 6 additional so called extra dimensions that are theorized, or it would be better to say hypothesized. To me, these dimensions are more about wild "imagination", not based on any scientific evidence, and some of the motives behind these ideas are to find a way to explain how the universe or so called multiverses are created, thus, no need of a Creator. I heard 1 time that String Theory is candidate to explain the existence of how particles/matter came into existence. If subatomic "strings" can vibrate and create particles, then the God explanation is replaced.

1. The First Dimension: Length - Has 2 mathematical points(mp), a straight line
2. The Second Dimension: Height - Has 4 mathematical points(mp), a square
3. The Third Dimension: Depth - Has 8(mp), a cube
4. The Fourth Dimension: Time -  Has 16(mp), the position in time occupied by a three-dimensional object.
5. The Fifth Dimension: Has 32(mp), has possible worlds slightly different than ours from which we could measure similarities and differences to our own world.
6. The Sixth Dimension: Has 64(mp), a plane containing all possible universes with the same "Start Conditions" as ours; i.e., the Big Bang.
7. The Seventh Dimension: Has 128(mp), a plane of all possible worlds but with different "Start Conditions"
8. The Eighth Dimension:  Has 256(mp), a plane of all possible worlds but each with different "Start Conditions", each branching out infinitely
9. The Ninth Dimension: Has 512(mp), All possible worlds, starting with all possible "Start Conditions" and Laws of Physics(all completely different)
10. The Tenth Dimension: Infinite Possibilities - Has 1024(mp), at this level of complexity, everything that is possible and imaginable exists.

And then there is the ""Bosonic string theory" which suggests 26 dimensions! 

Edited October 16, 2019 by Beggar for the Spirit

[Ludwika]

Anything not to have the need for a "first cause", aka a creator! String theory is a very convenient way to delay any explanation as to what preceded that first few seconds before the universe came into existence. As to other dimensions, I've always had this mental thought that the angels can pop in and out, so to speak. Think of the angel who arrived to speak to Daniel before he'd even finished his prayer. He certainly didn't spend much time travelling.

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[BenJepthah]

12 hours ago, Ludwika said:

Anything not to have the need for a "first cause", aka a creator! String theory is a very convenient way to delay any explanation as to what preceded that first few seconds before the universe came into existence. As to other dimensions, I've always had this mental thought that the angels can pop in and out, so to speak. Think of the angel who arrived to speak to Daniel before he'd even finished his prayer. He certainly didn't spend much time travelling.

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Actually I doubt any of these proposals really negates the foundational requirement for a first cause. But your point is well taken. And I agree with your assessment of the Angels. I see number 6 above as the most likely of the lot . Number ten is just chaos. 

Edited November 10, 2019 by BenJepthah

[Ludwika]

Actually I doubt any of these proposals really negates the foundational requirement for a first cause. But your point is well taken. And I agree with your assessment of the Angels. I see number 6 above as the most likely of the lot . Number ten is just chaos. 

Yes you're right, it doesn't negate the foundational requirement, just delays it as I said. But they ignore that, hoping to keep pushing the problem further and further back to the point where they hope it can be completely disregarded! However, much to their dismay, it still brings us back to "In the beginning God..."

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[Hinata]

On 10/17/2019 at 2:25 AM, Stormswift said:

but still can't grasp the functions of subsequent dimensions

 

The strings vibrates to the directions of the extra dimensions.

 

So normal 3D has depth width and height. But string in string theory (which are very micro scopic) move to the direction of extra dimension.

 

And depending on how strings vibrates, it forms different quarks. A string vibrating in one way forms the "up" quark, while string vibrating to the direction of other dimension forms "down" quark.

[McKay]

It's best to think of these dimensions as mathematical constructs instead of separate realities. In 1 dimension space you need only 1 number to measure an object's location. 2D space requires. 3D space requires an X, Y, and Z coordinate. But above that is where it gets tricky. Let's say there is a party at 123 Main St Apt 456 in Hometown, Yourstate. To get to the party, you already have the 3 coordinates you need. You know the X and Y (it's the building where 123 Main St stands in Hometown) and you know the Z (which is 4 stories above the ground). But you're lacking a 4th dimension. WHEN is the party? If you just show up at that address, you'll be at the place but not the correct time. As objects get smaller, more numbers are needed. It helps also to think of a library with shelves lined with books. To find the book you need the X, Y, and Z. You don't need a 4th coordinate here. But let's say you're looking for specific information within that book. Let's say a sentence in the 9th paragraph of the 12th chapter. You would need numbers to mark the location (or dimensions) of that information. So the position within that book might require a 6th number (page number), 7th dimension (line number), and more considering how small you want to go.

 

Likewise, additional dimensions are needed to measure objects as they get smaller and smaller. Presently, our universe can be explained using 11 dimensions. Using our book example, the 11 number, or dimension, might be the location of the 1st electron orbiting the 13 atom of the 105th mol of the spot of carbon at the period at the end of the sentence on page 489 of the book located on shelf 14 in row 9, column B of the library.

 

[Hotteok]

Honestly I'm more curious about the microscopic world.