JW pressroom: Is military service a conscience matter now?

[Ivar]

20 October this post appeared on Instagram by JW pressroom. It says "Each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses personally decides whether to decline military service, based on a conscience shaped by deep Bible study."

Is this a change? Or just a different way of using the term? In older articles the term civilian / alternative service is used. My wife served as a need greater in Thailand. She told me that Thailand has compulsory military service. And that some brothers choose to work in the army kitchen. So they are non-combatants. But you probably can't call it civilian service. (And could you accept military service, but as a medic?) I suppose that's why the post says military service is a personal choice. 

What do you think?

 

[Sepie93]

20 October this post appeared on Instagram by JW pressroom. It says "Each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses personally decides whether to decline military service, based on a conscience shaped by deep Bible study."

Is this a change? Or just a different way of using the term? In older articles the term civilian / alternative service is used. My wife served as a need greater in Thailand. She told me that Thailand has compulsory military service. And that some brothers choose to work in the army kitchen. So they are non-combatants. But you probably can't call it civilian service. (And could you accept military service, but as a medic?) I suppose that's why the post says military service is a personal choice. 

What do you think?
 

Well, isn't it always a personal decision to decline military service? This is how I always understood it personally.
I mean, nobody forces someone to say no to military service.

Also: when conscientious objectors are called for military service, they have to explain themselves why they can't do military service, based on what they know the Bible teaches. And the Bible teaching is clear. But we still have to make the decision to follow it personally.

They can't say: "oh, I'm a JW, we don't do that. Don't know why though; ask my elders."


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[Ivar]

31 minutes ago, Sepie93 said:

Well, isn't it always a personal decision to decline military service? This is how I always understood it personally.
I mean, nobody forces someone to say no to military service.

So it was always a personal choice to accept military service as one of Jehovah's Witnesses? (Like Desmond Doss during WW2.) 
As a child, I didn't see any problem in serving as a medic. But my parents (and others) said it wasn't allowed. This means that either they were wrong in their understanding, or that something has changed.
 

35 minutes ago, Sepie93 said:

Also: when conscientious objectors are called for military service, they have to explain themselves why they can't do military service, based on what they know the Bible teaches. And the Bible teaching is clear. But we still have to make the decision to follow it personally.

 

Yeah, it is so important to make the decision for yourself! Thank you for pointing this out. The IG post seems to imply that you can accept military service as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, a decision made with your Bible trained conscience. 

You could say the same about blood: "Each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses personally decides whether to accept blood components or fractions, based on a conscience shaped by deep Bible study."

But maybe this was always the case. And it was just misunderstood by many where I live. The Governing Body only says that we don't "take up weapons of warfare". (Why Don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses Go to War?)

So to forbid doing military service that doesn't involve taking up weapons of warfare seems to go beyond what is written. I never realised this before, until this jw press post! It is nice that the GB doesn't make a lot of rules, but gives all of us the opportunity to make personal decisions. (Such as working in the army's kitchen, as those Thai brothers are doing.) ❤️ 

 

[Ivar]

2 minutes ago, secondofseven said:

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Ah I missed this! Maybe someone can combine the topics? Or how does this work?

[Dré]

To answer this question correctly, it is important to examine whether this profession is linked to military or civilian service.

[LeolaRootStew]

4 hours ago, Ivar said:

So to forbid doing military service that doesn't involve taking up weapons of warfare seems to go beyond what is written. I never realised this before, until this jw press post! It is nice that the GB doesn't make a lot of rules, but gives all of us the opportunity to make personal decisions. (Such as working in the army's kitchen, as those Thai brothers are doing.) ❤️ 

 

I'm not sure that is the correct conclusion...

[Barbllm]

Perhaps the "personal decision" part of military service depends on whether military service is compulsory in the country or not. The US military is voluntary; the South Korean military, for example, is not. 

[MJ1]

I recall one missionary told me that legally the society cannot tell anyone not to joining a military force as they would be guilty of inciting "disaffection "

 thus defined as

"the Incitement to Disaffection Act 1934 is an act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that made it an offence to endeavour to seduce a member of HM Forces from his "duty or allegiance to His Majesty", thus expanding the ambit of the law."

Any decision not to fight is based on someone's trained concience based on their Bible knowledge and love for neighbour

[Dré]

I believe it is important to distinguish clearly between three different categories: combatant military service, non-combatant military service, and alternative civilian service. These are not interchangeable terms, and confusing them can lead to an inaccurate understanding of the position of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

 

1. Combatant military service: Combatant military service involves serving in the armed forces and participating in military operations, including the use of weapons and participation in warfare.

 

Jehovah’s Witnesses maintain Christian neutrality and do not participate in warfare. Their position is based on biblical principles, including: Isaiah 2:2-4; John 17:16; Matthew 26:52; John 13:34, 35.

 

2. Non-combatant military service: Non-combatant military service involves performing military duties without directly participating in combat or using weapons. Examples may include military cooks, medics, drivers, administrators, construction workers and other support personnel. Although these individuals may not engage in combat, their service can still be military service if they are members of the armed forces and operate within the military command structure. Depending on the country's legislation and military regulations, this may involve military enlistment, an oath of allegiance, military uniform, military discipline and provisions or remuneration provided through the armed forces. The important distinction is that the absence of weapons does not, by itself, transform military service into civilian service.

 

There is a particularly relevant question in the book Keep Yourselves in God’s Love: “What are my reasons for not supporting any political parties or performing any type of military service?” This wording is significant because it refers to “any type of military service,” not merely combat duties. 

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1102008064&par=67&srcid=share

 

3. Alternative non-military civilian service: Alternative civilian service is fundamentally different from military service. It involves performing civilian duties instead of military service, under civilian administration and outside military control or supervision. Some governments provide compulsory civilian service, such as useful community work, as a non-military alternative for individuals who conscientiously object to military service. Civilian national service administered by civilian authorities. Alternative civilian service is not treated as military service simply because it is required by the State.

 

4. The official submission to the United Nations, March 21, 2022: An especially important source is the document submitted by the Office of Public Information of Jehovah’s Witnesses to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. Its title is: Information on Conscientious Objection to Military Service Involving Jehovah’s Witnesses.

 

The document states: “Jehovah’s Witnesses do not oppose national service per se. Their conscience simply does not allow them to participate in one form of national service—military service.” It then explains: “As a group, Jehovah’s Witnesses are, in many cases, willing to perform alternative civilian service that is not under the control or supervision of the military.” These statements establish an important distinction between national service in general and military service. The document further explains that the willingness to perform alternative civilian service depends on its being outside military control and supervision.

 

A Bible-Based Viewpoint: The same submission contains a section entitled “A Bible-Based Viewpoint.” It explains that Jehovah’s Witnesses respect governmental authority, obey the law, pay taxes and cooperate with governmental efforts to provide for public welfare. It also states that during the Second World War Jehovah’s Witnesses maintained neutrality and that they have not taken up arms in the conflicts mentioned in the document. The submission then states: “Jehovah’s Witnesses are grateful when Governments either exempt them from military service altogether or allow their conscientious believers to perform non-military civilian national service.”

 

This is particularly important because it expressly distinguishes:

—Military service.

—Non-military civilian national service.

—The document also clarifies that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not interfere with those who choose to serve in the armed forces.

 

5. Three distinct categories. The distinction can be summarized as follows:

1. Combatant military service: Military service involving participation in warfare and combat duties.

2. Non-combatant military service: Military service without direct participation in combat. The individual may perform support duties but remains within the armed forces and their military structure.

3. Alternative civilian service: Non-military national service performed under civilian administration and outside military control or supervision. The third category must not be confused with the second. A person does not automatically become a civilian service worker simply because he or she does not carry a weapon.

 

It is also important to examine the actual legal status of a particular position. Military uniforms, oaths, command structures, discipline and the source of provisions or remuneration can help establish whether a position is military in nature.

 

“KEEP YOURSELVES IN GOD’S LOVE”, CHAPTER 5, pp. 50-61, How to Keep Separate From the World

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1102008064&srcid=share

 

w96 5/1 pp. 15-20, Paying Back Caesar’s Things to Caesar

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1996332&srctype=wol&srcid=share

 

INFORMATION ON CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION TO MILITARY SERVICE INVOLVING JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/2022-05/OPIJW-HRC50.pdf