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Obama voices his support for gay marriage

By JULIE PACE, Associated Press – 28 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Equivocal no longer, President Barack Obama declared his support for gay marriage on Wednesday in a historic announcement that instantly elevated a polarizing social issue to a more prominent role in the 2012 race for the White House.

The announcement was the first by a sitting president, and Obama's Republican rival, Mitt Romney, swiftly disagreed with it. "I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman," Romney said from Oklahoma.

Gay rights advocates cheered Obama's declaration, which they had long urged him to make. Joe Solomonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, said it "extends that message of hope" to gays and lesbians.

Obama announced his shift — he had said for years that his views on gay marriage were "evolving" — in an interview with ABC in which he cited a blend of the personal and the presidential.

He said "it wouldn't dawn" on his daughters, Sasha and Malia, that some of their friends' parents would be treated differently than others, and added that he had thought of aides "who are in incredibly committed monogamous same-sex relationships who are raising kids together."

He added he had also thought about "those soldiers or airmen or Marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf, and yet feel constrained even though now that 'don't ask, don't tell' is gone because they're not able to commit themselves in a marriage."

The president's decision to address the issue came on the heels of a pair of events that underscored the sensitivity of the issue.

Vice President Joe Biden said in an interview on Sunday that he is completely comfortable with gays marrying, a pronouncement that instantly raised the profile of the issue. White House aides insisted the vice president hadn't said anything particularly newsworthy, but gay rights groups cited Biden's comments in urging the president to announce his support.

On Tuesday, voters in North Carolina — a potential battleground in the fall election — approved an amendment to the state constitution affirming that marriage may only be a union of a man and a woman.

While the nation appears roughly divided on the issue, the political cross-currents are tricky.

Some top aides argued that gay marriage is toxic at the ballot box in competitive states like North Carolina and Virginia because, as Tuesday's vote demonstrated, the issue remains a reliable way to fire up rank-and-file Republicans. It also could open Obama up to Republican criticism that he is taking his eye off the economy, voters' No. 1 issue.

Other Democratic supporters claim Obama's decision could energize huge swaths of the party, including young people. He also could appeal to independent voters, many of whom back gay marriage, and he could create an area of clear contrast between himself and his Republican rival as he argues that he's delivered on the change he promised four years ago.

Obama touched on that in the interview.

He said he sometimes talks with college Republicans on his visits to campuses, and while they oppose his policies on the economy and foreign policy, "when it comes to same sex equality, or, you know, sexual orientation, that they believe in equality. They are more comfortable with it."

On Tuesday, former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Democrat, told Obama to "man up" and take a position on gay marriage. The president had already supported a number of initiatives backed by gays, including an end to "don't ask, don't tell," and decided not to defend in court a federal law that was designed as an alternative to gay marriage.

Maggie Gallagher, co-founder of the National Organization for Marriage and a leading supporter of the constitutional amendment approved in North Carolina on Tuesday, said she welcomed Obama's announcement at the same time she disagreed with it.

"Politically, we welcome this," she said. "We think it's a huge mistake. President Obama is choosing the money over the voters the day after 61 percent of North Carolinians in a key swing state demonstrated they oppose gay marriage."

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi instantly sought political gain from the president's announcement. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee issued an email in her name that asked recipients to "stand with President Obama." Such requests are often followed by future requests for campaign donations.

In the interview, Obama said, "I have hesitated on gay marriage in part because I thought that civil unions would be sufficient." He added, "I was sensitive to the fact that for a lot of people the word 'marriage' was something that invokes very powerful traditions, religious beliefs and so forth."

Now, he said, "it is important for me personally to go ahead and affirm that same-sex couples should be able to get married."

Obama said first lady Michelle Obama also was involved in his decision and joins him in supporting gay marriage.

"In the end the values that I care most deeply about and she cares most deeply about is how we treat other people," he said.

Acknowledging that his support for same-sex marriage may rankle religious conservatives, Obama said he thinks about his faith in part through the prism of the Golden Rule — treating others the way you would want to be treated.

"That's what we try to impart to our kids and that's what motivates me as president and I figure the most consistent I can be in being true to those precepts, the better I'll be as a as a dad and a husband and hopefully the better I'll be as president," Obama said.

Romney has not generally raised the issue in his campaign. He said earlier Wednesday that "I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender, and I do not favor civil unions if they are identical to marriage other than by name. My view is the domestic partnership benefits, hospital visitation rights, and the like are appropriate but that the others are not."

Public opinion on gay marriage has shifted in recent years, with most polls now finding the public evenly split, rather than opposed.

A Gallup poll released this week found 50 percent of all adults in favor of legal recognition of same-sex marriages, marking the second time that poll has found support for legal gay marriage at 50 percent or higher. Majorities of Democrats (65 percent) and independents (57 percent) supported such recognition, while most Republicans (74 percent) said same sex marriages should not be legal.

Six states — all in the Northeast except Iowa — and the District of Columbia allow same sex marriages. In addition, two other states have laws that are not yet in effect and may be subject to referendums.

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AP Deputy Director of Polling Jennifer Agiesta and Philip Elliott in Colorado contributed to this report.

Follow Julie Pace at http://twitter.com/jpaceDC

Copyright © 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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I think this is especially significant in light of the fact that there is, and always has been, a great correlation between the moral decline of a culture and, world empires falling.

The faithful slave is always using "new" terms that imply that Jehovah's Day is getting closer and closer. This seems to reaffirm that. :ecstatic:

Hard to believe that a mere 50 years ago, they couldn't show Lucy and Ricky (married couple on the "I Love Lucy" TV show) in the same bed and now the President of the United States is supporting homosexual marriage. How much lower can they drop the bar - it's already on the floor.

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Hhhmmmm . . :nope: . . it won't be long before it is not only 'acceptable' . . they aim to make it compulsory! :unsure:

Compulsory?? I don't understand this. Are you saying - you think they will require every citizen to marry someone of the same sex?

Or that all states in the US will be required to legalize these unions?

If you read all of what President Obama said - you will see he was not advocating that, but instead he recognized individual states had the right to make that choice - just as North Carolina did and New York did. One said No and the other said Yes.

This is just another political "hot topic" designed to distract the world. Fortunately Jehovah's people know how He feels (Rom 1) and won't be distracted.

May God's Kingdom come soon and vindicate HIS sovereignty - once and for all!

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I think this is especially significant in light of the fact that there is, and always has been, a great correlation between the moral decline of a culture and, world empires falling.

The faithful slave is always using "new" terms that imply that Jehovah's Day is getting closer and closer. This seems to reaffirm that. :ecstatic:

Hard to believe that a mere 50 years ago, they couldn't show Lucy and Ricky (married couple on the "I Love Lucy" TV show) in the same bed and now the President of the United States is supporting homosexual marriage. How much lower can they drop the bar - it's already on the floor.

Just wait till the lower the age of consent from 16 year olds to 13 or lower. There is still more to come! Hang on as it is going to be a bumpy ride.

Plan ahead as if Armageddon will not come in your lifetime, but lead your life as if it will come tomorrow (w 2004 Dec. 1 page 29)

 

 

 

 

Soon .....

 

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Hhhmmmm . . :nope: . . it won't be long before it is not only 'acceptable' . . they aim to make it compulsory! :unsure:

Compulsory?? I don't understand this. Are you saying - you think they will require every citizen to marry someone of the same sex?

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What I am (sarcastically) referring to is that homosexuality is barrelling down the road of acceptability so fast now that it won't be long before a couple getting married will be required to sign a declaration that before they wed (hetero) style . .they must have at least tried same sex, just to be certain. confuzed.gif

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You are so right. People think they can do what and say what they please. They have no fear of Jehovah. We need pray for them. Remember, Jehovah can change people if their hearts is complete toward him. Also, remember everyone will know that Jehovah is the only true God.

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When I was a kid studying the bible and most specifically the story of Sodom and Gomora, I thought it was impossible that the entire cities were homosexual. How could it be? I thought. Now, I see how that could have happened. Everyone in those towns was either a homosexual or a vehement supporter of their right to do so. I have nothing against homosexuals. I just wish they all come in to the TRUTH, know Jehovah and His ways, repent and start anew.

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