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that pandemics don't end because of vaccines but rather pandemics end when the pathogen or its environment changes or when people successfully change their behaviours or immune systems. Pandemics only peter out when the virus evolves from a novel killer to just another benign flu-maker.

it is a fact that these vaccines have not been well studied so if you choose to take it, you are now part of a real life study. Dr. Don J. Tynes says. “You understand that you are volunteering to be a part of a great experiment with receiving the COVID-19 vaccine,” He says he’s trying to protect his patients and the community from vaccines that are not well understood due to a lack of long-term studies.

It was with regard to this, explaining it further. Vaccines don’t end pandemics. The Spanish flu epidemic, which stretched over four years, didn’t end with a vaccine. (At the time most health officials had no idea even what a virus was.) Instead, that pandemic only petered out when the virus evolved from a novel killer to just another benign flu-maker. Pandemics end when the pathogen or its environment changes or when people successfully change their behaviours or immune systems. Andrew Nikiforuk https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/11/26/Putting-Vaccine-Buzz-Perspective/

he 1918 flu pandemic was so deadly as a direct result of the appalling living conditions at this tragic time. The trenches would have been the perfect breeding grounds for infections among the World War One soldiers. Patrick Saunders-Hastings at Carleton University in Ottawa says “The virus emerged when populations, which previously had little contact with each other, were brought together on the battlefield,” “And on a lot of cases they were dealing with other injuries and they were under-nourished.” Vitamin B deficiencies, in particular, have been noted to increase mortality rates in later pandemics, he says. Those left at home were still living in closed, crowded conditions that led to greater exposure to the virus. This not only accelerated transmission, increasing the chances that people would become infected; it also increased the severity of the symptoms. It is well understood that improved sanitation and hygiene, associated with industrialisation and general reductions in poverty, have contributed significantly to overall reductions in infectious disease mortality in the 20th Century. Analysing records from Chicago during the 1918 pandemic shows factors such as population density and unemployment directly influenced someone’s chance of catching the disease.

“‘one of the great lies of the 20th century [is] that antibiotics, vaccines and doctors have saved us from pestilence. . . . g94 9/22 p. 31 “In One Place After Another Pestilences”

Vaccines don’t end pandemics. The Spanish flu epidemic, which stretched over four years, didn’t end with a vaccine. (At the time most health officials had no idea even what a virus was.) Instead, that pandemic only petered out when the virus evolved from a novel killer to just another benign flu-maker. Pandemics end when the pathogen or its environment changes or when people successfully change their behaviours or immune systems. Andrew Nikiforuk https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/11/26/Putting-Vaccine-Buzz-Perspective/ https://theconversation.com/severe-covid-in-young-people-can-mostly-be-explained-by-obesity-new-study-159072

Sara Seidelmann is Assistant Professor of Clinical Medicine at Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons, and she worked on the study. She told Newsday: “We found that individuals who reported following plant-based diets had a 73 percent lower odds of moderate to severe Covid-19. Plants are packed with micro-nutrients. In prior studies supplementation with some of these nutrients decreased the risk of respiratory infections. These nutrients can support the immune system.” Eating a plant-based diet may help people avoid having obesity and other health conditions that could worsen their experience of COVID-19 if they develop it. Research suggests that a SARS-CoV-2 infection results in increased hospitalization rates and greater severity of illness in people with diabetesor obesity. According to a 2020 study, obesity was the most commonly reported underlying medical condition — 72.5% — in healthcare personnel hospitalized for COVID-19 in the United States. Authors of a 2016 analysis indicate that plant-based diets could decrease inflammation and risk of chronic disease in people who have obesity. A 2019 review notes a plant-based diet may help prevent the development of overweight, obesity, and diabetes. Research also supports the diet’s cardiovascular benefits. A review in the British Journal of Nutrition suggests that people with optimal levels of micronutrients may be more resilient to COVID-19. Healthy vegan diets that include a wide variety of fruits and vegetables are rich in antioxidants. These are compounds that fight free radicals and help counteract oxidative stress. The fiber in plant foods provides prebiotics to feed gut bacteria. Researchshows that plant-based diets influence the gut microbiome favorably, increasing bacterial diversity and potentially reducing inflammation. ... a plant-based or vegan diet may support a healthy immune system. This in turn can limit the risk of a SARS-CoV-2 infection, as well as its serious health complications. Eating a plant-based diet may also help prevent the development of chronic health conditions that might cause complications or increase the severity of COVID-19 symptoms. A vegan diet may also help people reach a moderate weight and prevent obesity, reducing the risk of worse COVID-19 outcomes. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-and-veganism

Systematic reviews and meta-analyses overwhelmingly show that obesity is associated both with a higher risk for intensive care unit (ICU) admission and poorer outcomes for COVID-19 [2-4]. In the UK, a report flags that out of 10,465 patients critically ill with confirmed COVID-19, 73.7% were living with overweight or obesity [5]. Meanwhile, a report from Italy suggests 99% of deaths have been in patients with pre-existing conditions, including those which are commonly seen in people with obesity such as hypertension, cancer, diabetes and heart diseases. [6] Overweight and obesity also seem to be risk factors for worse outcomes in younger populations (<60 years old), with patients with a body mass index (BMI) between 30 and 34 being twice as likely to be admitted to ICU compared to individuals with a BMI under 30 [7]. https://www.worldobesity.org/news/obesity-and-covid-19-policy-statement

ok try this A rare black fungus is infecting many of India's COVID-19 ... https://www.nationalgeographic.com › science › article

Public health experts are blaming the indiscriminate use of steroids to treat COVID-19 as the likely cause. Steroids reduce inflammation in the lungs. But overuse of these drugs in COVID-19 patients can result in lowered immunity and raised blood sugar levels. These conditions leave some patients, particularly those with uncontrolled diabetes, susceptible to such infections. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/a-rare-black-fungus-is-infecting-many-of-indias-covid-19-patientswhy?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20210515science-indiablackfungus&sf245907195=1

Yes here where I live proof of antibodies is quite acceptable for travel or whatever. This is a good article:- Quit Ignoring Natural COVID Immunity — Antibody testing and proof of prior infection can allow more people to return to normal by Jeffrey Klausner, MD, MPH, and Noah Kojima, MD May 28, 2021 Epidemiologists estimate over 160 million people worldwide have recovered from COVID-19. Those who have recovered have an astonishingly low frequency of repeat infection, disease, or death. That immunity from prior infection protects many people now where vaccines are not yet available. ... Like many aspects of the Federal Government's response to COVID-19, the FDA's comment lags behind the science. Given that 90% to 99% of people who recover from COVID-19 develop detectable neutralizing antibodies, doctors can use the correct test to inform people of their risk. We can counsel patients that those who have recovered from COVID-19 have a strong protective immunity, protecting them from repeat infection, disease, hospitalization, and death. In fact, that protection is similar to or better than vaccine-induced immunity. Putting that together, people who have recovered from prior infection or those with detectable antibodies should be considered protected, similarly to someone who is vaccinated. Moving forward, policymakers should include natural immunity as determined by an accurate and reliable antibody test or the documentation of prior infection (previous positive PCR or antigen test), as evidence of immunity equal to that of vaccination. That immunity should be given the same societal status as vaccine-inducted immunity. Such a policy will greatly reduce anxiety and increase access to travel, events, family visits, and more. The updated policy will allow those who have recovered to celebrate their recovery by informing them of their immunity, allowing them to safely discard their masks, show their faces, and join the legions of those vaccinated. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zXvnXSvpw-gJ:https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/92836+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=im

Yes there will be those who need protecting but those of us who are healthy and have had Covid don't need protecting as a test proves we have natural antibodies.

Many of us have chosen not to have vaccinations and there are various different personal reasons why individuals make that decision. It is a personal choice that each person has the freedom to make.

Expert haematologists advise against taking aspirin after AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine because it will not affect the occurrence of vaccine-associated thrombosis and thrombocytopenia (VATT), which is driven by an immune response to something in the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine. Furthermore, one of the problems with VATT is a low platelet count which means there is increased risk of bleeding. Aspirin will make this worse

Equally many of us have chosen not to have the vaccine. It is an individual choice to make. No-one should pressurise someone subtly or otherwise into thinking that they must have the vaccine. In some countries public pressure and judgement is intense. This is the way of the world. It is not the way of our organisation. "Today Christians may make decisions that differ from those of other Christians when it comes to matters of employment, health, recreation, or some other area that involves personal choice. Such variety could disturb some... Love for fellowman moves us to respect the rights of others to make conscientious decisions in personal matters. (Romans 14:3, 4 g03 5/8 pp. 26-27 Does Christian Unity Require Uniformity?

Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported. How long might immunity to the coronavirus last? Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study — the most hopeful answer yet to a question that has shadowed plans for widespread vaccination. Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come. The research, published online, has not been peer-reviewed nor published in a scientific journal. But it is the most comprehensive and long-ranging study of immune memory to the coronavirus to date. “That amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized disease, severe disease, for many years,” said Shane Crotty, a virologist at the La Jolla Institute of Immunology who co-led the new study... And the research squares with another recent finding: that survivors of SARS, caused by another coronavirus, still carry certain important immune cells 17 years after recovering. The findings are consistent with encouraging evidence emerging from other labs. Researchers at the University of Washington, led by the immunologist Marion Pepper, had earlier shown that certain “memory” cells that were produced following infection with the coronavirus persist for at least three months in the body. A study published last week also found that people who have recovered from Covid-19 have powerful and protective killer immune cells even when antibodies are not detectable. These studies “are all by and large painting the same picture, which is that once you get past those first few critical weeks, the rest of the response looks pretty conventional,” said Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona. Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale University, said she was not surprised that the body mounts a long-lasting response because “that’s what is supposed to happen.” Still, she was heartened by the research: “This is exciting news.” https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.html

A person is simply required to provide a recent negative COVID-19 test result or documentation of recovery.

Brazil rejects Russia's Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine in blow ... 7 days ago — The ruling from Brazil's health agency cited a range of concerns including what it said was a lack of quality control and efficacy data. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/04/27/sputnik-vaccine-brazil-russia-coronavirus/

WHO foreign expert Peter Ben Embarek said identifying the animal pathway remains a "work in progress", adding the absence of bats in the Wuhan area dimmed the likelihood of direct transmission. It was "most likely" to have come from an intermediary species, he said, before backing up China's position that there was no evidence of "large outbreaks in Wuhan" before December when the first official cases have been recorded. Liang Wannian, head of the China side of the joint mission, said animal transmission remained the likely route, but "the reservoir hosts remain to be identified". 09/02/2021 https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:aq8c0hEFmCsJ:https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210209-identifying-animal-origin-of-coronavirus-a-work-in-progress-concludes-who-mission-to-wuhan+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=im

Novel mRNA vaccines have no precedence of regulatory approval. Moreover, the MHRA does not have an established bank of historical data on their possible long term adverse and unintended effects.

I found this doc re: Moderna. I haven't read it all https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qXRF3pOqt4sJ:https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=im Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting December 17, 2020 FDA Briefing Document Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Page 50 & 51 Adverse reactions that are very uncommon or that require longer follow-up to be detected Following authorization of the vaccine, use in large numbers of individuals may reveal additional, potentially less frequent and/or more serious adverse events not detected in the trial safety population of approximately 30,000 participants over the period of follow-up at this time. Active and passive safety surveillance will continue during the post-authorization period to detect new safety signals. Although the safety database revealed an imbalance of cases of Bell’s palsy (3 in the vaccine group and 1 in the placebo group), causal relationship is less certain because the number of cases was small and not more frequent than expected in the general population. Further signal detection efforts for these adverse events will be informative with more widespread use of the vaccine. Vaccine-enhanced disease Available data do not indicate a risk of vaccine-enhanced disease, and conversely suggest effectiveness against severe disease within the available follow-up period. However, risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure"

The fact is that the very first vaccines for COVID-19 are an entirely new type: mRNA vaccines. Never before have mRNA vaccines — such as the two-dose Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines that have now received emergency use authorization from the FDA — been approved for use in any disease. Therefore no-one can know yet what reactions people will have in the long term as a substantial amount of time would likely have to pass to see what happens. Drew Weissman, MD, PhD, of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia and an early pioneer of mRNA technology, and colleagues wrote, trials did show "moderate and in rare cases severe injection site or systemic reactions." Their chief safety concerns, which they said should be closely watched in future trials, were about local and systemic inflammation, as well as keeping tabs on the "expressed immunogen" and on any auto-reactive antibodies. "A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity," they wrote. "Thus, identification of individuals at an increased risk of autoimmune reactions before mRNA vaccination may allow reasonable precautions to be taken." The authors also noted that extracellular RNA could contribute to edema, and cited a study that showed it "promoted blood coagulation and pathological thrombus formation." https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998+&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=im

It wasn't that I was confusing the point sis, it was more that mine wasn't understood I was simply saying that because of what apostasy is and what it stands for and the implications of it, that no peoples actions or attitudes should be likened to apostates unless it is actually apostates. It isn't a fitting comparison.

Here and now many people are concerned about the same old issues such as this ● Greed. In a New York Times report, Dr. Jerome Kassirer, a former editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, explains: “When researchers are beholden to [pharmaceutical] companies for much of their income, there is an incredible tendency to get results that are favorable to the company.” https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102010362

As the Bible long ago acknowledged, we live in “a world where some people have power and others have to suffer under them.” (Ecclesiastes 8:9 https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/tc/r1/lp-e/102013241/0-1 There have been all sorts of protests throughout history and today and for valid reasons when people see the greed, corruption etc in this crooked world with governments who use lying propaganda. No-one here is saying protesting is right but individuals in the world involved in protests can have good intentions and often see protesting as the only way since they don't know that the devil is behind the governments and that Gods kingdom is the solution. This is completely different to apostates since apostates are people who have chosen to defect from true worship and intensely hate Jehovah.