commercial against religion - very impressive

[URIT]

if i wasn't a Wittness and wouldn't know what's really behind, i would 100% agree.

Or like the "old ones" said ... religion is a snare ...

here is it :

do or do not - there is no choice

[Ross]

If I remember correctly these two video were produced for a TV show called The Pitch, where two ad companies compete to market and sell unsellable concepts.

It seems that most people would agree with them today.

[Dustparticle]

if i wasn't a Wittness and wouldn't know what's really behind, i would 100% agree.

Or like the "old ones" said ... religion is a snare ...

here is it :

do or do not - there is no choice

Back in those days the brothers didn't believe they were a religion. Now we do.

[URIT]

Back in those days the brothers didn't believe they were a religion. Now we do.

I'am sure they're thinking they were a religion, in fact the true religion. The proof

for that bold statement is: Just check every accusation in this video against what jw teaches (in fact the bible teaches). Nothing matches. Everybody is invited to proof this by himself.

do or do not - there is no choice

[Old]

I'am sure they're thinking they were a religion, in fact the true religion. The proof

for that bold statement is: Just check every accusation in this video against what jw teaches (in fact the bible teaches). Nothing matches. Everybody is invited to proof this by himself.

do or do not - there is no choice

 

Actually prior to 1950 with perhaps a few exceptions, we,  JWs did not consider that we had  "The TRUE RELIGION". all religion was "A SNARE AND A RACKET"   I can recall when the change in our understanding of religion was in the WT.

It totally did away with the idea of "Religion [is always]a Snare and a Racket"

It was replaced with a "True Religion"  opposed by "False religion." This took place around 1951, though there had been research prior to 1951. it became official in the WT in 1951. with the following "Question From Readers":

 

*** w51 3/15 p. 191 Questions From Readers ***

● In the past we regarded “religion” as anything that was against God’s will. Now many brothers are using the expressions “true religion” and “false religion” to make a distinction. Is this advisable?—D. D., California.

The brothers are correct in using the qualifying adjectives “true” and “false” respecting religion, so as not to be misunderstood, especially by those outside the organization. In the past we have had to do so much needless explanation and extricating of ourselves from embarrassing positions by not being specific on this. The footnotes of the New World Translation show the early use by Latin-speaking Christians of the term religio as the equivalent of the Greek term thres·kei′a. It simply means “form of worship”, of which there can be a true and a false kind. Study over the footnotes in the New World Translation on the texts at Acts 26:5, Colossians 2:18 and James 1:26, 27, and see how the footnote renderings allow for the use of the term “religion” or “religious”, though the texts themselves use the expressions “form of worship” or “formal worshiper”. Hence it is well to make clear our use of the term “religion” by qualifying it as “true” or “false”, if the context or setting does not do this sufficiently.

 

And same year the Main article

*** w51 11/1 pp. 658-659 par. 10 The Triumph of Clean, Undefiled Worship ***

10 Because the people in general fail to make a distinction between the false and the true, and because worldly religion has made an odious name for itself, there has been a tendency in recent years to avoid using the name “religion” in connection with the truth and the organization of Jehovah God.... If you live up to the name “Christian” in spite of the suffering it brings, you can glorify God in this name. In the same way a distinction needs to be made between the false religion and the true religion.

 

Does anyone have an earlier date for this doctrinal change?

 

(Line endings artificially imposed?)

[rbrown1205]

I didn't realize that the footnote for James 1:27 in the Revised NWT is such a significant change.  Now, where it says "form of worship", there is an asterisk, and the footnote says "or, religion."

 

I really get that the word has been a bad word for many people - confusion, lies, double talk, hypocrisy.  I am so thankful that we make such a strong effort to keep this horrible legacy to be a part of our worship!

[sunshine]

Babylon cannot be destroyed without at least to an extent public support for the move so an increasingly anti-religious rhetoric MUST be part of the equation in the coming months/years.  I'm sick of this system and since religion is the first to go, I say "Let her drop!" (2 Kings 9:33)

[Modeste]

if i wasn't a Wittness and wouldn't know what's really behind, i would 100% agree.

Or like the "old ones" said ... religion is a snare ...

here is it :

do or do not - there is no choice

Videos like this annoy me. As they're usually the dystopian idyllic views of Atheists who have a very selective disingenuous view of world history that lacks the same objectivity as the false religions they seek to castigate. Religion in ANY era is easily replaceable by any alternative dogma. As man will utilize whatever he wants either to indemnify and sate his conscience in order to enforce his particular world view. Stalin had no problem wiping out millions in order to pursue his Atheist ideology. Chairman Mao did the same thing in China. Matter of fact there were many popular Atheist movements at the turn of the 20th Century and off the back of Karl Marx's philosophy who also made the same mistake assuming religion is the cause of all ills. Interestingly one of these movements went by the audacious name "The League of Militant Atheists". These 'new' ideas that were spawned during the so called Age of Enlightenment have been cultivated during the 20th & 21st Century have now evolved into this newer arrogant Neo-Atheism that claims to have nothing but humanity's better interests at heart thanks mainly to their assumed benevolence. I find it bitterly ironic that there is virtually no distinction at all between these newer Neo-Atheists and the false religions they seek to condemn. So much for their haughty wisdom as Psalms 10:4 ascribes:-

 

In his haughtiness, the wicked man makes no investigation;

All his thoughts are: “There is no God.

 

 

And yet at the same time from their assumed and feigned moral perch they are completely incapable of understanding the root cause of all the worlds problems is man himself. Namely sin and death which we all inherited from Adam. But that of course doesn't align with their own nihilistic belief and is certainly not something their arrogance is willing to accept. I'm tired of Neo-Atheism. I can't wait till the day when we can see the back of it. 

[lavritt]

Holy Moly! Do you know how many words I had to look up to understand this post!?!   I REALLY need to study more!! Great job!

Edited September 15, 2014 by lavritt

[Modeste]

Holy Moly! Do you know how many words I had to look up to understand this post!?!   I REALLY need to study more!! Great job!

 

Apologies i have a bad habit of writing wordy posts as i seem to go into full on Agatha Christie novel mode when i'm peeved. But i also have a very keen interest in etymology, linguistics and language. So can get a bit word smithy at times... Oops 

[Toy Poodles]

I couldn't even watch that video all the way through, so one way and also full of hatred. Nothing different but another false religion which tries to segregate people against each other. 

[Sheila]

Brother Uwe,  the programme this video played on was part of an Australian tv programme called 'The Gruen Transfer'  and is a spoof on advertising.   Dont know when it was aired on tv, but obviously didnt have much impact as I've never heard anyone even mention it.  The programme has gone from our screens now, we dont even see any re-runs.  Shawn Macauliffe, the host of the show has obviously gone on to more weird and wonderful things, dont see him on tv at all.   Interesting to see that the captions are in German.  Perhaps it was too over-the-top and was pulled from airing in Australia. 

[Sheila]

After spouting forth about how these days we dont seem to see Shawn Micauliff (spelt his name incorrectly previously), I switched on the tv guide of my set-top box, to find that he's back on the ABC again next week!!   It appears that the show is entitled.....'A campaign to convince the Australian public that wages for our politicians should be increased'......   Along with the religious video posted by Brother Uwe, next weeks show title will give you an idea of the calibre of what some think of as entertaining over here in Oz.   

[URIT]

yeah, it's not really that kind of completely serious (it's somewhat an competition between two advertising agencies). But it indicates the possible direction of the journey.

 

@Brother shawn:  Ahh - yes - everybody has to agree, people should'nt have to be relgious to be able to do bad things! This is for sure (Stalin, Red Khmers, Mao ..)

But - in my opinion - relgion helps a lot. It makes it easier to manipulate people, it's like the oil in a cars engine. Even when religious beliefs mixed up with athestic ideology it's

like nitro+ glycerine. And i would agree when yous say "Religion in ANY era is easily replaceable by any alternative dogma". But be honest, how often was this the case? Mostly

it was something Marxist-Leninistic. The "mixed" ones are more common, people like Adolf Hitler, he comes with things like "Herrenrasse - muster race" as a more athestic ideology (survival of the fittest), he was a catholic (never excommunicated) but he has no problem to mix also "Germanicness-Germanentum" (e.g. using runes like the "SS") even this was not forced by Hitler himself (there were others around him who like the idea to revive the spirit of german cult/gods like odin, thor etc). OK, i'am not a scientist and there is a lot of literature out there about this particular thing like "The Study of Religion under the Impact of Fascism" or "The Occult Roots of Nazism" etc..

 

Until right know: ISIS - religious?! Politicians (at least here in Germany) says, this has nothing to to with religion. Really? Nothing, maybe a little, because it helps (or what is

the reason why these guys sharing out the koran in the shopping areas in bigger towns).

 

What nurtures the hate between people: religion (ok and nationalism, some more ..) this is obvisious and it may bring people to the conclusion that it was not a bad idea to think about ...

 

 

BTW: thank you Jerry! It was new for me. 1950! Wow.

[Ross]

Here's the full video