Pope, Peres discuss ‘U.N. of religions’ at Vatican meeting ***!

[User_123]

SIGNIFICANT??:

http://www.jta.org/2014/09/04/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/pope-peres-discuss-u-n-of-religions-at-vatican-meeting

ROME (JTA) – Former Israeli President Shimon Peres met with Pope Francis at the Vatican and proposed a “U.N. of religions” to fight terrorism.

The Vatican said the pope and Peres held a “long” and “very cordial” discussion on Thursday.

During the 45-minute meeting, Peres described his idea to the pontiff about his organization of religions modeled after the United Nations. The motivation, Peres told the Catholic weekly Famiglia Cristiana, is that religion is the prime trigger for world conflicts today.

“The U.N. has had its time,” Peres said, according to Famiglia Cristiana. “What we need is an organization of United Religions, the U.N. of religions. It would be the best way to combat these terrorists who kill in the name of their faith because most people are not like them, they practice their religions without killing anyone, without even thinking about it.”

The Vatican news service said the pope “listened attentively and with interest” to Peres’ proposal.

Also Thursday, the pope met for 30 minutes with Jordanian Prince El Hassan Bin Talal and also discussed interfaith cooperation. The prince is the founder of the Royal Institute for Interfaith Studies in Amman.

Francis last met with Peres June 8, when he hosted the then-Israeli president, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and the Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople at an unprecedented prayer meeting in the Vatican garden.

Read more: http://www.jta.org/2014/09/04/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/pope-peres-discuss-u-n-of-religions-at-vatican-meeting#ixzz3CMp5uIgS

[shali]

Time will tell!

[User_123]

If i was the UN, i dont believe i would care for this statement very much:

“The U.N. has had its time,”

And i would have to agree with:

"religion is the prime trigger for world conflicts today."

And if this is being spoken publicly, i would bet it was previously discussed and scripted. And if it was previously discussed, then they must be serious about it or they wouldnt speak it publicly...

[Stavro]

The primary difference between "terrorist group" and "military" is that a military is generally under the command of an internationally recognized king.
 
While the pope is a sort of king, is he really recognized as having military authority outside of his 110 acre "kingdom"? If not, that would make him just another terrorist leader, and I'm not sure the rest of the world would idly stand by and watch during yet another Crusade.
 

“What we need is an organization of United Religions, the U.N. of religions. It would be the best way to combat these terrorists who kill in the name of their faith because most people are not like them, they practice their religions without killing anyone, without even thinking about it.”

 

Translation: "Quit killing in the name of religion, that's our job!"

[Mykyl]

Other reports on the same story.

 

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2014/09/04/shimon-peres-pope-francis-is-a-more-powerful-peace-advocate-than-un/

 

This one has a funny one liner... if it was not so serious.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/israels-peres-pitches-religions-pope-25248067

 

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-rome-peres-invites-arab-world-to-join-fight-against-terror/

[User_123]

Vatican:

RELIGIONS AND PEACE AT THE CENTRE OF THE POPE'S AUDIENCES WITH ISRAELI EX-PRESIDENT SHIMON PERES AND PRINCE EL HASSAN BIN TALAL OF JORDAN

Vatican City, 4 September 2014 (VIS) – Peace and the role of religions were the central theme of the Pope's meeting with the ex-president of the State of Israel, Shimon Peres. During their long discussion, lasting around 45 minutes, in which Peres presented to the Pontiff his plan to create a sort of United Nations for religions, based on the assumption that while in the past the majority of wars were motivated by the idea of nationhood, in the current world the trigger for conflicts is primarily the excuse of religion. The Holy Father listened attentively and with interest to the Israeli ex-president's proposal, and the discussion took place in a very cordial atmosphere.

Similarly, peace and religion were the key point in the Holy Father's meeting with Prince El Hassan Bin Talal, of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. The prince, founder of the “Royal Institute for Interfaith Studies”, presented the centre's activity to the Pope, emphasising the common ground shared by religions and the possibilities of collaboration in activities of solidarity with the least fortunate in a globalised world. The meeting, again of a cordial nature, lasted around half an hour.

http://www.vis.va/vissolr/index.php?vi=all&dl=e1da0bd2-cbe6-2bc3-bd89-54085acd3e8a&dl_t=text/xml&dl_a=y&ul=1&ev=1

[chuck83]

I wonder if it's an attempt at that "One World Religion" junk.

[MizPeg]

I wonder if it's an attempt at that "One World Religion" junk.

I wondered the same thing when I read this. And wonder if that is part of Satan's plan. Sic the religious groups on God's chosen people? Then Jehovah turns the tables, so to speak. Will be interesting to follew this thread.

Edited September 4, 2014 by MizPeg

[User_123]

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/analyst-vatican-regards-islamic-state-as-waging-a-war-of-religion-23373/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20catholicnewsagency/dailynews%20%28CNA%20Daily%20News%29&utm_term=daily%20news

Analyst: Vatican regards Islamic State as waging a 'war of religion'

Vatican City, Sep 4, 2014 / 04:08 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- According to prominent Vatican analyst Sandro Magister, the Holy See views the aggression of the Islamic State as a religious war, and believes that international action taken so far is inadequate.

In a Sept. 4 post on his Settimo Cielo blog at l'Espresso, Magister made note of an editorial which appeared in the most recent issue of La Civiltà Cattolica, the Jesuits' Italian-language cultural review.

“Obviously, to promote peace it is necessary to know what the war truly is, and not what one would like it to be. It is crucial to study and to comprehend why and how the Islamic State fights. Theirs is a war of religion and of annihilation,” reads the editorial penned by Fr. Luciano Larivera, S.J.

The article continues, “It should not be confused or reduced to other forms, such as the Bolsheviks or the Khmer Rouge. They instrumentalize the power of religion, and not vice versa. Their danger is greater than that of al-Qaeda.”

Magister posited that La Civiltà's editorial represents in fact the stance of the Holy See.

“Each line of 'La Civiltà Cattolica' is passed beforehand for examination by authorities of the Vatican, who allow publication, or not,” he began his blog post.

CNA has itself previously noted that La Civiltà's articles “are approved by the Vatican’s secretary of state before publication.”

On the basis of this Vatican approval for the lines appearing in the periodical, Magister wrote that Fr. Lavirera's editorial, titled “Halt the humanitarian tragedy in Iraq”, “should not pass by unobserved.”

The editorial in La Civiltà Cattolica mentions in particular the inadequacy of the limited military intervention thus far carried out against the Islamic State.

“Military analysts attest that the existing military solution is not effective.”

The US and Iraq have carried out air strikes against the Islamic State, and the UK's prime minister is considering doing the same. Both France and the UK have armed the Kurdish peshmerga militants who are fighting the caliphate.

La Civiltà Cattolica's editorial writes that “being limited to this medium can continue to permit the Islamic State to conquer territory, and give it occasion to commit further atrocities.”

“The Islamic State should be cut off from its supply of arms, the recruitment and training of new combatants, it financing channels, energy infrastructure, and logistics.”

In recent weeks, the peshmerga and Iraqi forces have made inroads against the Islamic State, recapturing some towns and breaking its sieges on others.

The Islamic State emerged as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, one of the rebel groups fighting in the Syrian civil war; this spring it spread its operations to Iraq, taking control of Mosul and swaths of territory in the country's north and west.

While Iraq's population is majority Shia Muslim, the Islamic State was able to consolidate control of Sunni-majority areas, where the people have perceived discrimination at the hands of the Shia-led government.

The Islamic State has persecuted all non-Sunni persons in its territory: Christians, Yazidis, and Shias have all fled the caliphate.

La Civiltà's editorial further noted the importance of forming an Iraqi government in which Sunnis are represented, and given the same place at the table as other ethnic and religious groups, while also noting that the conflict between Sunnis and Shias in Iraq is a mirror of a conflict taking place between Iran and the rest of the Persian Gulf states.

The editorial's abstract notes that while “the prophetic cry of the Church is 'no more war!”, her magisterium includes just war theory as well as just peace, solidarity, and charity.

“The Church is not tasked with proposing war strategies and tactics. This is does not fit in with her mission and her competence, but is up to the civil and military authorities, and lay experts, including Catholics,” the abstract states.

In the introduction, the editorial noted the importance of seeing that Islamic State militants consider theirs a war of religion, such that domestic politics, diplomacy, religion, and economics can all be brought to bear in ending the conflict.

“The worldwide Islamic community has a duty to destroy in the heart of all Muslims an extremist conception of the conception of the Quran and of Islamic tradition.”

[surfergirl]

No time to go to sleep.

[shali]

What good does it do to talk to the "ex-president" about this?  Does he have some other post that enables him to make such decisions?

[Stavro]

What good does it do to talk to the "ex-president" about this?  Does he have some other post that enables him to make such decisions?

 

The 'un of religions' would be entirely separate from the government, so there's no point in making such plans with someone holding a high rank. But a former politician isn't tied down by the rules of office, and their vocal support or dissent will carry much farther among the populace than the voice of some random clergyman.

[Trina]

It's interesting because remember the Pave they Way foundation based in NY asked Ban Ki Moon to create a council to call out false religions based on their use of violence? This seems to be the same request from another source...maybe the new council/division added to the UN will be the one that has the teeth to take action...

http://www.ptwf.org/images/stories/peace/Ban%20ki-moon.pdf

[User_123]

Peres, the pope and a plan for world peace

Muslim reps & jewish seem to agree that francis is representative of all faiths...

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Peres-the-pope-and-a-plan-for-world-peace-374893

[chuck83]

Peres, the pope and a plan for world peace

Muslim reps & jewish seem to agree that francis is representative of all faiths...

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Peres-the-pope-and-a-plan-for-world-peace-374893

 

Ugh! Representative of all that's false! He certainly doesn't represent us! Sorry but this article makes me want to say bad words. How silly these people are.

[Enoch]

wt 2013,11/15,par.9-12'How Can We Maintain A Waiting Attitude'?

         WHAT EVENTS SIGNAL THE END OF OUR WAITING?
9 Read 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3. In the near future, the nations will say “Peace and security!”... (1 Thess. 5:6) To help us stay awake spiritually, let us briefly review events that have set the stage for this noteworthy proclamation.
10...Government and religious leaders have looked to those agencies to bring about peaceful conditions for mankind. For example, in 1986, the United Nations sanctioned a highly publicized International Year of Peace. That year, leaders from many nations and religions joined the head of the Catholic Church in Assisi, Italy, to offer prayers for peace.

12 Who will make this significant future declaration of “Peace and security”? What role will the leaders of Christendom and of other religions play? How will the leaders of various governments be involved in this proclamation? The Scriptures do not tell us. What we do know is that no matter what form the proclamation takes or how convincing it might sound, it will be only a veneer."
 

 

Pope Francis welcomes former Israeli President Shimon Peres in this photo dated 2012. CNS photo/ L 'Osservatore Romano via EPA

United religions

• September 11, 2014

Shimon Peres has been a witness to inter-religious strife most of his life. The former Israeli President, now 91, shared a Nobel Peace prize with Yasser Arafat and has lived through several Middle East wars. He has experienced the link between religious extremism and terrorism.

So when he talks, we should listen, even when his wisdom sounds wishful.

In a recent meeting with Pope Francis, Peres proposed a new international organization called United Religions to operate alongside the United Nations. It would be a multi-faith coalition permanently on-call to offer crisis resolution around the world when religious tension erupts into violence.

 

As Peres noted, unlike previous centuries when most wars arose from nationalism and territory disputes, 21st century warfare is often incited, he said, “using religion as an excuse.” Zealots are enlisting young recruits with calls to war that pervert religious teachings and urge slaughter in the name of faith.

He offered no thoughts on how a United Religions would be organized. Its only weapons, one assumes, would be prayer and diplomacy. But Peres is absolutely right on a couple of points. The world would be better if it had what he called “an unquestionable moral authority” and a logical voice for that authority is world religious leaders.

On issues of peace and justice, the major religions should speak with a single, loud voice. The world may be increasingly secular but that is no reason for religious leaders to slip into the background. The opposite should be true. They should be united, visible and vocal in opposition to these pseudo-religious warlords. As Peres said, the world needs a voice of moral authority to loudly proclaim: “No! God doesn’t want this and doesn’t allow it.”

The archbishops of Toronto and Ottawa did exactly that last weekend. Cardinal Thomas Collins and Archbishop Terrence Prendergast joined leaders of other religions to pray for peace and urge government leaders to aid refugees and protect victims in Middle East war zones. People of all religions should be allies for peace and justice and never reluctant to join forces in these causes.

 

In a Sept. 4 Vatican meeting, Peres presented his United Religions idea to Pope Francis and nominated the Pope to lead the organization. Over the past 18 months, Francis has established himself as a leader who speaks with genuine moral authority. He is respected outside Catholic circles. Who else in the world, asked Peres, can draw half a million people when he speaks?

United Religions or not, the Pope most surely will continue to speak out for justice, and his bishops should continue to collaborate with other religious leaders. Together they can be the moral voice that the world must hear." end of qoute