Chemistry and the origin of life.

[Newtonian]

We have much in our literature on this subject - if any of you do not understand anything in our literature on this subject - feel free to ask and I will attempt to answer.

 

The purpose of this thread is to help you all understand the basics of chemistry and how this disproves evolution.  But that will be in my second post.

 

In this post I will concentrate on links to our literature - first our two brochures:

 

Origin of life:

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/publication/r1/lp-e/lf/E/2010

 

Was life created?:

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/64153

 

Concerning amino acids (protein first models) and nucleic acids (RNA first models) see:

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102010343#h=9:0-10:249

 

For a discussion of amino acids and the origin of life - see our creator book here:

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200270313/0/2

 

Excerpt:

 

"The Mystery of Life’s Origin: Reassessing Current Theories points out that if much free oxygen was present, ‘none of the amino acids could even be formed, and if by some chance they were, they would decompose quickly.’* "

 

Footnote:

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/fn/r1/lp-e/1101998022/0

 

"Oxygen is highly reactive. For example, it combines with iron and forms rust or with hydrogen and forms water. If there was much free oxygen in an atmosphere when amino acids were assembling, it would quickly combine with and dismantle the organic molecules as they formed."

 

[Note: water also destroys organic molecules - something most chemical evolutionists do not want you to know]

 

There are, of course many other articles in our literature I could list.

 

Instead - please post your own favorite articles or points in the above links.

 

 

 

 

 

[Newtonian]

Now, some of basic chemistry which will help you all understand the proofs that chemistry disproves chemical evolution and prove intelligent design (including incorporating information required for life in informational (in contrast with statistical) molecules)

 

First, you should know the symbols in chemistry for the promary elements required for life, to wit:

 

C = Carbon (as in CO2 - carbon dioxide = 1 carbon (C) atom + 2 oxygen (O) atoms)

 

O = Oxygen (as in H2O = water = 2 Hydrogen atoms + 1 Oxygen atom)

 

H = Hydrogen (as in CH4 = Methane [in natural gas] = 1 carbon atom + 4 Hydrogen (H) atoms

 

N = Nitrogen (as in NH3 = ammonia = 1 Nitrogen atom + 3 Hydrogen atoms)

 

Cl = Chlorine (as in HCL = Hydrochloric acid {acid [gastric] in our stomachs} = 1 Hydrogen atom + 2 Chlorine atoms)

 

Na = Sodium [as in NaCl = Sodium choride = salt = 1 Sodium (Na) atom + 1 Chrorine atom (Cl)}

 

Ca = Calcium as in CaCO3 = Calcium (CA) carbonate (CO3) = as in Limestone = 1 Calcium 
+ 1 carbon + 3 Oxygen atoms

 

K = Potassium as in KCl = potassium Chloride as in substute (potassiuma) salt for us who are on low sodium/salt/NaCl diets.

Now for some more chemical compounds,/molecules required for life - a few of the 20 amino acids required for life, which are:

 

[Note - all acids 

 

 alanine, arginine, asparagine, aspartic acid, cysteine, glutamic acid, glutamine, glycine, histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalaine, proline, serine, threonine, tryptophan, tyrosine, and valine.

 

The Simplest amino acid: [and easiest to synthesize/form:

 

Glycine - NH₂‐CH₂‐COOH

 

[Note - the COOH group is called the carboxyl group in weak acids aka carboxylic acid;

NH2 is the amine/amino group; 

a methyl group is the CH3 group]

 

A few others that are easier to synthesize:

 

Alanine is an α-amino acid that is used in the biosynthesis of proteins. It contains an amine group and a carboxylic acid group, both attached to the central carbon atom which also carries a methyl group side chain. Wikipedia

Formula: C3H7NO

 

A picture is worth a thousand words:

 

https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/23626/why-is-the-pka-cooh-of-alanine-and-glycine-similar-but-the-pka-nh3-different

 

Alanine is heavier with a (−CH3−CHX3) than glycine which has an (−H−H). What makes them have different pKa(−NH3+)pKa(−NHX3X+) (pKa:Ala=9.69,Gly=9.60)(pKa:Ala=9.69,Gly=9.60) but similar pKa(−COOH)pKa(−COOH) (pKa=2.34)(pKa=2.34) when the rest of the amino acid is similar? Why does changing a hydrogen for a methyl group affect the −NH3+−NHX3X+ but not the −COOH−COOH?

Also there are three amino acids (glycine, leucine, aspartine) which have same pKa(−NH3+)pKa(−NHX3X+) but different pKa(−COOH)pKa(−COOH).

 

Notice that all amino acids have structure/shape - a simple chemical formula (alanine - C3H7NO2) does not show this.  Even the above pictures are 2-d whereas specific 3-d structure is required for life.

 

In the above picture of alanine, notice where the 7 hydrigens (alanine - C3H7NO2) are located:

 

2 are in the H2N on the left

1 is in the CH

3 are in the CH3 (methyl)

1 is in the OH

 

The 3 carbons are located:

1 in CH

1 in C

1 in CH3

 

The lone Nitrogen atom is in H2N = NH2 = the amine/amino group

 

The 2 Oxygen atoms are in the O and the OH.

 

Two other amino acids:

Serine - C₃H₇NO₃

 

_{Glutamic acid -} C₅H₉NO₄

 

[EccentricM]

I think your second post would benefit from some sort of "conclusive statement" to explain what all that means and how it supports creation, because it all looks like jibberish and random letters/numbers without context to me, lol.

[Pjdriver]

On 10/15/2019 at 9:10 PM, Newtonian said:

Now, some of basic chemistry which will help you all understand the proofs that chemistry disproves chemical evolution and prove intelligent design (including incorporating information required for life in informational (in contrast with statistical) molecules)

 

First, you should know the symbols in chemistry for the promary elements required for life, to wit:

 

C = Carbon (as in CO2 - carbon dioxide = 1 carbon (C) atom + 2 oxygen (O) atoms)

 

O = Oxygen (as in H2O = water = 2 Hydrogen atoms + 1 Oxygen atom)

 

H = Hydrogen (as in CH4 = Methane [in natural gas] = 1 carbon atom + 4 Hydrogen (H) atoms

 

N = Nitrogen (as in NH3 = ammonia = 1 Nitrogen atom + 3 Hydrogen atoms)

 

Cl = Chlorine (as in HCL = Hydrochloric acid {acid [gastric] in our stomachs} = 1 Hydrogen atom + 2 Chlorine atoms)

 

Na = Sodium [as in NaCl = Sodium choride = salt = 1 Sodium (Na) atom + 1 Chrorine atom (Cl)}

 

Ca = Calcium as in CaCO3 = Calcium (CA) carbonate (CO3) = as in Limestone = 1 Calcium 
+ 1 carbon + 3 Oxygen atoms

 

K = Potassium as in KCl = potassium Chloride as in substute (potassiuma) salt for us who are on low sodium/salt/NaCl diets.

Now for some more chemical compounds,/molecules required for life - a few of the 20 amino acids required for life, which are:

 

[Note - all acids 

 

 alanine, arginine, asparagine, aspartic acid, cysteine, glutamic acid, glutamine, glycine, histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalaine, proline, serine, threonine, tryptophan, tyrosine, and valine.

 

The Simplest amino acid: [and easiest to synthesize/form:

 

Glycine - NH₂‐CH₂‐COOH

 

[Note - the COOH group is called the carboxyl group in weak acids aka carboxylic acid;

NH2 is the amine/amino group; 

a methyl group is the CH3 group]

 

A few others that are easier to synthesize:

 

Alanine is an α-amino acid that is used in the biosynthesis of proteins. It contains an amine group and a carboxylic acid group, both attached to the central carbon atom which also carries a methyl group side chain. Wikipedia

Formula: C3H7NO

 

A picture is worth a thousand words:

 

https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/23626/why-is-the-pka-cooh-of-alanine-and-glycine-similar-but-the-pka-nh3-different

 

Alanine is heavier with a (−CH3−CHX3) than glycine which has an (−H−H). What makes them have different pKa(−NH3+)pKa(−NHX3X+) (pKa:Ala=9.69,Gly=9.60)(pKa:Ala=9.69,Gly=9.60) but similar pKa(−COOH)pKa(−COOH) (pKa=2.34)(pKa=2.34) when the rest of the amino acid is similar? Why does changing a hydrogen for a methyl group affect the −NH3+−NHX3X+ but not the −COOH−COOH?

Also there are three amino acids (glycine, leucine, aspartine) which have same pKa(−NH3+)pKa(−NHX3X+) but different pKa(−COOH)pKa(−COOH).

 

Notice that all amino acids have structure/shape - a simple chemical formula (alanine - C3H7NO2) does not show this.  Even the above pictures are 2-d whereas specific 3-d structure is required for life.

 

In the above picture of alanine, notice where the 7 hydrigens (alanine - C3H7NO2) are located:

 

2 are in the H2N on the left

1 is in the CH

3 are in the CH3 (methyl)

1 is in the OH

 

The 3 carbons are located:

1 in CH

1 in C

1 in CH3

 

The lone Nitrogen atom is in H2N = NH2 = the amine/amino group

 

The 2 Oxygen atoms are in the O and the OH.

 

Two other amino acids:

Serine - C₃H₇NO₃

 

_{Glutamic acid -} C₅H₉NO₄

 

Paul, I’ll bet you have a big white board at home filled with mathematical formulas.  

Its a fascinating topic but we’re not chemist, so we have to dumb it down some for guys like me. I’m sure everyone else is an expert. 

 

But now that you’ve laid the groundwork, what are the chances of one protein (the building blocks of life) forming randomly?

[rbrown1205]

This is facinating! It seems like the chasm between non life and life is insurmountable without a purposeful mind. Chemistry is my first academic love, but I had to let it go because of evolution. But it seems that more scientists are speaking up about this subject.

 

Lately, I have been following the video speeches of synthetic organic chemist James Tour, who has all of the qualifying credentials and experience to assert that the idea of the extremely complicated life coming from non living elements is really against all that we know about it, including the laws of probability. With dozens of patents on his work, and hundreds of peer reviewed papers, he can't be pressured into silence, and he obviously knows what he is talking about, to the embarrassment of evolutionists.