Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Ahuvah]

While I want the suffering of the innocent and pillaging of this planet to stop, and am desperate for True Worship to be restored in a physical sense, one can't help feeling sad for those lost to Satan's world. But too, there is comfort knowing Jehovah won't leave any who belong to him behind. 

 

May Jehovah’s will be done.

 

[Dustparticle]

3 hours ago, cme said:

I think that 2025 is going to be pivatol or, interesting because when this Trump character comes in things are going to change rapidly.

 We must not forget that Iron and Clay does not mix. Daniel 2:41 - 43.

[Ahuvah]

25 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

 We must not forget that Iron and Clay does not mix. Daniel 2:41 - 43.

And that will continue, according to that prophesy, until that stone hits the feet.

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, Ahuvah said:

Yes, many are saying the world is broken. Well, it's not going to get better is it? At least not yet.

They eventually will have to empower UN to maintain international order 

Jehovah will make them do that 

[Ahuvah]

1 minute ago, Sofia said:

They eventually will have to empower UN to maintain international order 

Jehovah will make them do that 

Yes. That's why I said ... not yet.  Satan is going to be one unhappy camper.

[LeolaRootStew]

 

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“The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.  13 These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.  14 These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.”

 

Does this indicate that once the nations give their power to the UN they will never get it back? 

[Ahuvah]

Just now, LeolaRootStew said:

 

 

Does this indicate that once the nations give their power to the UN they will never get it back? 

Yes. Once Jehovah steps in, Satan has lost control ... it will signal that the GT is here.

 

[LeolaRootStew]

2 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

Yes. Once Jehovah steps in, Satan has lost control ... it will signal that the GT is here.

 

 

Yes, but I'm talking about the time period from the destruction of BtG until Armageddon.

[Ahuvah]

Just now, LeolaRootStew said:

 

Yes, but I'm talking about the time period from the destruction of BtG until Armageddon.

The destruction of BTG IS the start of the Great Tribulation. 

[LeolaRootStew]

6 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

The destruction of BTG IS the start of the Great Tribulation. 

I think you're missing my point. I'm discussing a time period, you are discussing a moment.

[Dhanyel]

The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast - Apocalypse 17:12,13 

[Ahuvah]

 

3 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

I think you're missing my point. I'm discussing a time period, you are discussing a moment.

I am missing your point ... I apologize.

I too, am discussing a time period. The final time period.

 

 

Starting with Jehovah making ALL the kings relinquish power to the UN, 

Then the Peace & Security which will have 'little or no time' between the beginning of the GT with the destruction of BBTG. 

There is a middle part of the GT, then the end part of The Great Tribulation that culminates in Armageddon. (Which just prior the remnant go home to help fight).

It's all one time period with different phases.

I apologize again if I don't understand what you mean.

 

 

 

[Dolce vita]

5 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

 

I am missing your point ... I apologize.

I too, am discussing a time period. The final time period.

 

 

Starting with Jehovah making ALL the kings relinquish power to the UN, 

Then the Peace & Security which will have 'little or no time' between the beginning of the GT with the destruction of BBTG. 

There is a middle part of the GT, then the end part of The Great Tribulation that culminates in Armageddon. (Which just prior the remnant go home to help fight).

It's all one time period with different phases.

I apologize again if I don't understand what you mean.

 

 

 

Aren't GT and the destruction of BTG concomitant? Isn't it the destruction of BTG that gives rise to the start of GT?

[LeolaRootStew]

2 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

 

I am missing your point ... I apologize.

I too, am discussing a time period. The final time period.

 

 

Starting with Jehovah making ALL the kings relinquish power to the UN, 

Then the Peace & Security which will have 'little or no time' between the beginning of the GT with the destruction of BBTG. 

There is a middle part of the GT, then the end part of The Great Tribulation that culminates in Armageddon. (Which just prior the remnant go home to help fight).

It's all one time period with different phases.

I apologize again if I don't understand what you mean.

 

 

 

Agreed on all points. 

 

While I was listening to the Annual meeting I was wondering to myself if the Nations would leave the UN after they destroyed BtG, but the scripture I cited seems to indicate that the UN, with all the Nation's support, is what will be destroyed by Jesus, which seems to indicate they will not get their sovereignty back. Hence my question:

 

29 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

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“The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.  13 These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.  14 These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.”

 

Does this indicate that once the nations give their power to the UN they will never get it back? 

 

[Dustparticle]

13 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast - Apocalypse 17:12,13 

 The beginning of GT

[Ahuvah]

Just now, LeolaRootStew said:

While I was listening to the Annual meeting I was wondering to myself if the Nations would leave the UN after they destroyed BtG, but the scripture I cited seems to indicate that the UN, with all the Nation's support, is what will be destroyed by Jesus, which seems to indicate they will not get their sovereignty back. Hence my question:

Aah gotcha.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

Perhaps they may leave if 2 factors weren't in play, 1. The fact Jehovah is driving it and 2. Without knowing the exact time, there may not be enough time for them to do anything. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that 'one thought' that makes them relinquish control is that same thought that moves them to Armageddon. 

[Doug]

13 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

Does this indicate that once the nations give their power to the UN they will never get it back? 

 

If your question is "Do the nations take the decision to permanently hand over their national sovereignty to the UN?" 

 

That's unknown.  But, if yes, that would effectively be the birth of one world government.  And it could be argued that is exactly what Satan wants; one united world government under his control.

 

So, it would be ironic that Satan's grand plan would result in the destruction of his entire religious, political and commercial system of things!

 

Jackson said, starting at 1:14 "There will come a time when all the political powers on earth will see that they need to collectively pool their power by giving it to the UN to try and solve some of the problems in the world".

So, there's a reason they do it.  Jehovah puts the thought to do it in their minds, but they themselves do it for reasons that make sense to them.

Therefore, their decision to do it most likely is intended for certain reasons and they see it as a temporary, but necessary, selfish strategy.

[Ahuvah]

4 minutes ago, Dolce vita said:

Aren't GT and the destruction of BTG concomitant? Isn't it the destruction of BTG that gives rise to the start of GT?

That is what I said, yes. It indicates the GT has started. It's the first phase.

[Ahuvah]

3 minutes ago, Doug said:

That's unknown.  But, if yes, that would effectively be the birth of one world government.  And it could b

It's not what Satan wants though. Jehovah has moved this by planting the one thought into all the Kings. Satan is being forced to move into the situation by Jehovah. 

 

Which you quoted further down in that quote. Jehovah is at this stage putting the 'hook' into the jaws of Satan.

Edited 19 hours ago by Ahuvah

[LeolaRootStew]

5 minutes ago, Doug said:

If your question is "Do the nations take the decision to permanently hand over their national sovereignty to the UN?" 

 

Jackson said, starting at 1:14 "There will come a time when all the political powers on earth will see that they need to collectively pool their power by giving it to the UN to try and solve some of the problems in the world".

So, there's a reason they do it.  Jehovah puts the thought to do it in their minds, but they themselves do it for reasons that make sense to them.

Therefore, their decision to do it most likely is intended for certain reasons and they see it as a temporary, but necessary, selfish strategy.

 

I have no idea what their motives will be or how long they expect it to last, but since Jesus is described as destroying it, then it sounds like, even if they wanted to, they wouldn't exit the UN during the GT. Once they join, they'll never leave.

Edited 19 hours ago by LeolaRootStew

[Dolce vita]

2 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

That is what I said, yes. It indicates the GT has started. It's the first phase.

Forgive me, dear Sister Amanda😘. I had the impression that you were saying that there was a delay between the two, that's why I didn't understand.

If I come across Mr. Google one of these days I'll give him a hard time...

[Dolce vita]

2 hours ago, Doug said:

 

And  France  .  .     A vote of no-confidence is due in a few days.  The result is inevitable.

 

This doesn't mean martial law or anything.  But a failed government with no budget moving on to uncharted waters.

 

In other words ~ a mess.  And France is a member of the UN Security Council   

I confirm, Brother Doug. France is in a very bad state.

[Abigail]

It's all coming together isn't it!! As in the pieces are falling into place perfectly.

Edited 19 hours ago by Abigail

[Ahuvah]

1 minute ago, Dolce vita said:

Forgive me, dear Sister Amanda😘. I had the impression that you were saying that there was a delay between the two, that's why I didn't understand.

If I come across Mr. Google one of these days I'll give him a hard time...

No ... there is a middle phase which I assume is the judging and the remnant leaving earth. But that can happen quickly, so it's an indeterminate time frame.

[Ahuvah]

2 minutes ago, Abigail said:

It's all coming together isn't it!! As in the pieces are falling into place perfectly.

Remember even we will be surprised, not that it's happening,  but how suddenly it happens.