Money in the New System

[Mike047]

No wonder we have 1000 years to get our hearts and minds straight, and to show the resurrected ones how to do the same.

 

When men ransom, they want something physical, usually a lot of money and freedom of criminals. When Jehovah God ransoms he wants loving hearts and a willing spirit. It cost him dearly, but we get life's water free.

 

Isn't that much better?

[LeolaRootStew]

8 hours ago, Rodejong said:

Where is the thought that Jehovah will provide for everything we need?

Seek first God's Kingdom and everything else will be provided for. Why should there be any use of money? In Israel they traded life stock, fruits of the land, clothes, etc. 

If we believe, Jesus, the apostles, special pioneers, or normal brothers and sisters like you and me have experienced how Jehovah always provides.

 

I see no reason for something that only has caused greed and unhappiness to be instated in the new order. 

 

Look at the arrangements we now have. If someone is in need, the congregation, or a relieve committee will provide for that. 

 

Why would it be any different in the new order? 

 

Don't think from this systems point of view, but from God's Kingdoms point of view.

 

Again, I'm not viewing money as a way to provide for needs, but as a way to fill in the gaps left by bartering/trade, or to purchase luxuries. Please see my previous posts.

 

8 hours ago, Rodejong said:

I see no reason for something that only has caused greed and unhappiness to be instated in the new order. 

 

Money doesn't cause greed, it facilitates trade. I could just as easily say that expecting everything for free is a sign of greed.

 

8 hours ago, Rodejong said:

In Israel they traded life stock, fruits of the land, clothes, etc. 

They also had money.

Edited January 24 by LeolaRootStew

[LeolaRootStew]

1 hour ago, Mike047 said:

No wonder we have 1000 years to get our hearts and minds straight, and to show the resurrected ones how to do the same.

 

When men ransom, they want something physical, usually a lot of money and freedom of criminals. When Jehovah God ransoms he wants loving hearts and a willing spirit. It cost him dearly, but we get life's water free.

 

Isn't that much better?

 

not sure what you mean

[Dhanyel]

I believe that when Satan is released in the final test, it's possible he may use fame and money to attract many people and lead them to destruction. Imagine if this desire arises in the hearts of those who were once rich and famous.

[Rodejong]

7 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

not sure what you mean

It's because you are missing our point.

 

Mathew 6:33

I don't see why we should talk about hypothetical things. We don't know how the new order will be. 
What we do know, is that Jehovah will provide. 

 

I don't say that there won't be some form of currency. But why speculate?

 

I see the question of the topic and I think... Is that really necessary to know? 
Same with the canopy, or what language we will speak, or ... what ever.

 

To me these topics have nothing to do with building up. It's a waste of time if you ask me.

 

I rather dream about what tasks will be given us, how we can encourage one another, what it will be like to talk to the first century Christians who saw Jesus and the apostles, etc.

 

But Money? What does it do for us to speculate on a system that was invented by Satan's world? It basically puts us in a form of: "If so much, then so much, and not more." As if we need to measure what we or others or a task or an item is/are worth.

 

Jesus said, it's better to give than to receive. Those that help others have helped Him.

 

We are in the world, but not part of this world. We use that what is needed, but not to the fullest.  

Money is a physical reminder of how the world sees us. Rich/Poor - Important/disposable. It's Satan's way, Not Jehovah's way.

Edited January 24 by Rodejong

[Hope]

56 minutes ago, Rodejong said:

It's because you are missing our point.

 

Mathew 6:33

I don't see why we should talk about hypothetical things. We don't know how the new order will be. 
What we do know, is that Jehovah will provide. 

 

I don't say that there won't be some form of currency. But why speculate?

 

I see the question of the topic and I think... Is that really necessary to know? 
Same with the canopy, or what language we will speak, or ... what ever.

 

To me these topics have nothing to do with building up. It's a waste of time if you ask me.

 

I rather dream about what tasks will be given us, how we can encourage one another, what it will be like to talk to the first century Christians who saw Jesus and the apostles, etc.

 

But Money? What does it do for us to speculate on a system that was invented by Satan's world? It basically puts us in a form of: "If so much, then so much, and not more." As if we need to measure what we or others or a task or an item is/are worth.

 

Jesus said, it's better to give than to receive. Those that help others have helped Him.

 

We are in the world, but not part of this world. We use that what is needed, but not to the fullest.  

Money is a physical reminder of how the world sees us. Rich/Poor - Important/disposable. It's Satan's way, Not Jehovah's way.

 

My particular answer to the bolded questions... because it's fun. For some, maybe even for many.  If it's not fun for others, they do not need to participate in the discussion. Everyone doesn't need to imagine the same things about the New World because none of us actually *know* what it will be like. But it is quite fun to talk about possibilities, see how others think about things and the like. It's part of "seeing ourselves and seeing you too". ❤️ 

 

What's NOT fun is when people try to shut down discussions because they don't like the topic. 😕  That is not fun at all.   

[LeolaRootStew]

3 hours ago, Rodejong said:

I don't say that there won't be some form of currency. But why speculate?

 

Because it's a topic I find interesting..

 

3 hours ago, Rodejong said:

I rather dream about what tasks will be given us, how we can encourage one another, what it will be like to talk to the first century Christians who saw Jesus and the apostles, etc.

 

Sounds like you want to speculate.

 

[LeolaRootStew]

8 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

I believe that when Satan is released in the final test, it's possible he may use fame and money to attract many people and lead them to destruction. Imagine if this desire arises in the hearts of those who were once rich and famous.

 

Eve was enticed by fruit; should we burn the orchards before the Final Test? Just in case?

Edited January 24 by LeolaRootStew

[Dolce vita]

1 minute ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

Eve a été attirée par les fruits – il n'en faut pas beaucoup.

Yes it's very true Justinah, very relevent, but behind the fruit there was: knowledge. A treasure of inestimable value. The 'good', she and her husband had a little idea, but the 'bad'  was adventure for them, the access to freedom with a capital F. At least that's how it was sold, still is today and will be a thousand years from now. You don't need money to bribe. The mere notion of evil is enough. Fools, our first parents. I even no longer want to call them parents but progenitors. Fools, those who fall at the end of the thousand years. Let's now prepare ourselves not to go to that front of the war which will no longer be called Armageddon but... to be discovered in a thousand years. Let's make an appointment !

[Katty]

On 1/23/2024 at 11:03 PM, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I look forward to the micro-managing. 😂 I'm sure we'll have all sorts of regulations on where and how to build just in the category of respecting wildlife or for safety. Moving from New England to the Southern US, I was surprised by the differences in building codes just because the environment and the ground are different. It would make sense to have approval committees and inspectors to make sure you don't build something that will fall down or destroy a rare habitat you never thought of.

I can't understand how anyone would want to be micro-managed. I don't think what you're mentioning is the same thing, exactly. I agree that we'll need to be more informed than we are currently when building things, and there might be detailed instructions. I imagine since there were aspects of worship in which the instructions were very detailed, such as the building of the tabernacle, and aspects for which it was left to the choice of the individual, such as with leaving vegetation for the poor to glean, the same will be true in the future. I do look forward to finding out what those things will be like in the new system.

Edited January 25 by Katty

[Mike047]

You could possibly ask wives if they like being micro-managed by their retired husbands!

 

 

[Dhanyel]

Isaiah 65:22,23. They will not build for someone else to inhabit, Nor will they plant for others to eat.  For the days of my people will be like the days of a tree, And the work of their hands my chosen ones will enjoy to the full.  They will not toil for nothing, Nor will they bear children for distress, Because they are the offspring made up of those blessed by Jehovah, And their descendants with them "

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[lesage NM]

On 1/21/2024 at 7:22 PM, New World Explorer said:

In a New World I see highly (eventually)advanced and well organised Society working together to accomplish goals and satisfy the needs of absolutely everyone. It’s so easy to produce goods even on big scale when greed and money are eliminated. Imagine year 3450 with underground manufacturing plants, ( no need to build on the ground)  where highly developed AI robots keep producing what we need, well some car manufacturers today use the system already. All we need to do is “supervise” the process. And that can be done by shifts that we will happily accept. ( with so many people living, your shift could come up once every 3 months etc) I see future where efficiency and technology plus our ability to make decisions and processes so much better than now. So any comparison to systems that we have now is not viable. (Money system is very inefficient system) 

Of course right after Armageddon we are going to face bit challenging situations, but not for a very long time. 
So even if I am wrong, I still see future Society as smarter, efficient and loving where everyone will have abundance of everything they need to live happily forever. I see Society that will move on beyond where main focus will be working hard to satisfy their needs, those needs will come easily and with lesser demands. I see Society where everyone will have plenty of time to explore, develop their talents and hobbies… I see… (better stop now LOL 😂) 

You are fully right... 98%