HOOKAH LOUNGE

[Shawnster]

13 hours ago, minister159 said:

I think you mean, Jefferson Airplane, not the Stones.

Ah yes. I knew that didn't sound right. 

[Gimestr]

I don't find this as a Christian environment.  Even if you don't smoke anything.  Would you go to a gentlemen's club for a lunch buffet?  no you wouldn't.  even if you don't "look" or partake and are there strictly for the lunch specials.  its not a Christian environment.  I find hookah bars to be the same.

 

but then again, scripturally there isnt anything saying that he can't.  so its a conscience issue I guess.  kinda like the GBU about toasting stated.

Edited Thursday at 06:30 PM by Gimestr

[Shawnster]

17 hours ago, Gimestr said:

kinda like the GBU about toasting stated.

 

No. There is a very big difference. 

 

For one, there is no way to go to a gentleman's club and have lunch but not look.  Unlike a hookah lounge or any other place where a patron must actively engage in the service (purchase something, etc...) the act of looking is completely passive. If one's eyes are functioning, then one see. 

 

For another, nobody would believe someone if they said you didn't look. At least with a hookah lounge it's quite possible to believe someone did not participate. 

 

Bottom line, however, is the perception. What do others think? In the case of a gentleman's club nobody would believe you didnt look and I'm sure a couple of elders would have a serious discussion with the individual. Going to a gentleman's club definitely makes one not exemplary or possibly removed from the congregation. Frequenting a hookah lounge could do the same 

 

Toasting, on the other hand, will not cause a serious conversation with the elders and one is still viewed as exemplary. 

 

[LeolaRootStew]

9 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

No. There is a very big difference. 

 

For one, there is no way to go to a gentleman's club and have lunch but not look.  Unlike a hookah lounge or any other place where a patron must actively engage in the service (purchase something, etc...) the act of looking is completely passive. If one's eyes are functioning, then one see. 

 

For another, nobody would believe someone if they said you didn't look. At least with a hookah lounge it's quite possible to believe someone did not participate. 

 

Bottom line, however, is the perception. What do others think? In the case of a gentleman's club nobody would believe you didnt look and I'm sure a couple of elders would have a serious discussion with the individual. Going to a gentleman's club definitely makes one not exemplary or possibly removed from the congregation. Frequenting a hookah lounge could do the same 

 

Toasting, on the other hand, will not cause a serious conversation with the elders and one is still viewed as exemplary. 

 

 

Can you be in a Hookah lounge and avoid the smoke of others?

[Qapla]

If you are properly dressed, you can ...
 

[Eejay]

1 hour ago, LeolaRootStew said:

Hookah lounge

What would a Christian want to get from a Hookah lounge that they could not get elsewhere?

[LeolaRootStew]

7 minutes ago, Eejay said:

What would a Christian want to get from a Hookah lounge that they could not get elsewhere?

 

I'm not endorsing Hookah Lounges, I'm actually asking a question.

Edited 11 hours ago by LeolaRootStew

[Qapla]

1 hour ago, LeolaRootStew said:

I'm actually asking a question.

 

I have never been in one so, I can only go by what I have heard. From what non-JW people I have heard talk who have been in the college town where I live, No! you cannot avoid the aroma, vapor, smoke.

 

Others may have different information ...

[Eejay]

 

 

1 hour ago, LeolaRootStew said:

I'm not endorsing Hookah Lounges, I'm actually asking a question.

 

 Oh sorry, I was thinking about the OP.

 

3 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

Can you be in a Hookah lounge and avoid the smoke of others?

 

Maybe in Tennesee, (where the wordly authorities seem to be more lax on the health aspects of passive smoking in this respect), the answer would be No, you probably can't!

 

The UK has stricter regulation regarding hookah lounges (shisha cafes). They must actually provide signed, smoke-free areas, as smoke-free laws treat shisha like cigarettes, banning it in enclosed spaces. Proprietors can only allow smoking outdoors or in specially designed shelters that are at least 50% open to the air at all times, doors, windows, or blocking materials counting as walls. The laudable goal is to actually try to protect the public and staff from second-hand smoke, meaning any structure with a roof must have significant openings, otherwise, it's considered substantially enclosed and illegal.

Concerned parties point out that in a shisha session of 20 to 80 minutes, a single shisha smoker can inhale, (and exhale), the same amount of smoke as a cigarette smoker consuming over 100 cigarettes. We can appreciate the health concerns prompting the regulations. Violations of these various regulations carry substantial financial penalties.

 

So the answer to your question on avoiding smoke of others is, in the UK, (probably for the most part) YES! But only by avoiding close proximity of smokers and staying in a smoke free area.

[Qapla]

2 hours ago, Eejay said:

The UK has stricter regulation regarding hookah lounges (shisha cafes). ... Violations of these various regulations carry substantial financial penalties

 

Since the regulations have to be so strict and the violations carry substantial financial penalties - It reminds me of the king who needed a new chariot driver.

 

Three drivers applied for the job. The king took them to a place in the road along a slight curve with a guardrail along the side where a high cliff dropped off to a ravine a thousand feet below. He asked each driver how fast he could come to the edge of the cliff without driving the chariot off the cliff.

• The first driver said he could drive the chariot within 25 feet of the edge at a half-gallop
• The second driver said he could drive the chariot within 10 feet of the edge at a full gallop
• The third driver said, "Are you kidding? I'm not driving the chariot anywhere near that cliff at any speed even if it does have a guardrail"

I guess you know who got the job

 

With that in mind, regardless of what regulations are supposed to apply to a Hookah Lounge ... shouldn't we ask ourselves, "How close do we want to come to the edge of the cliff?"

 

Like driver #3 - I'm not going anywhere near one.

Edited 7 hours ago by Qapla

[Jim Jam]

Many people here, including OP, seem to be assuming things that only the brother we're discussing about can clear up