all things star trek

[feather]

I grew up watching star trek original series, It was my reward for doing my homework and getting A's.

the movies were awesome, 1-4 that is...the voyage home was hysterical.

  Khan was so good it didn't even matter matter that Chekov was not any original Khan episode...

 "But you, I never forget a face... mister chekov, isnt it"

 

loved Kirk/Spock/ Bones stories however i never went beyond the Roddenberry influence,

. Saw a few but didn't stick with it...

   seems they went another direction after that on gender issues etc

 

After reading many of your reviews and opinions,

    What are your recommendations for the other star trek shows?

 

[Qapla]

2 hours ago, feather said:

Khan was so good it didn't even matter matter that Chekov was not any original Khan episode...

 "But you, I never forget a face... mister chekov, isnt it"

 

This has been explained as him meeting Chekov "off-screen" somewhere in the ship before he was made a bridge officer. Just because "we" never saw Chekov, doesn't mean Khan never saw him. 

 

It is a clever way to cover the oversite that Chekov was not in the original episode ...

[feather]

Just now, Qapla said:

 

This has been explained as him meeting Chekov "off-screen" somewhere in the ship before he was made a bridge officer. Just because "we" never saw Chekov, doesn't mean Khan never saw him. 

 

It is a clever way to cover the oversite that Chekov was not in the original episode ...

clever indeed !

This explanation got me,.I wasn't aware of it.Thank you for setting me straight.

 

Any Insight as to why they didn't follow through with Saavik having Spocks baby

    from the pon farr encounter in star trek 3?

[Qapla]

From what I understand that subject has been covered in some of the Star Trek books and comics.

 

It is also thought she was half Vulcan and half Romulan

[Julsey]

6 hours ago, feather said:

clever indeed !

This explanation got me,.I wasn't aware of it.Thank you for setting me straight.

 

Any Insight as to why they didn't follow through with Saavik having Spocks baby

    from the pon farr encounter in star trek 3?

I am guessing it was because it would have dropped a very big issue into what was meant to be a mostly lighthearted movie. That said, I didn’t care for inclusion of that scene in STIII. It didn’t make any sense, as Spock would have been far too young for it to occur. In the series, it didn’t strike until he was well into adulthood (36?). 

 

[feather]

Agree, it didn't make sense,

    there was a line Kirk said to Saavik

    as they they were leaving planet Vulcan, 'have you told him yet?'

 

glad they left it out

[computerwiz]

20 hours ago, feather said:

What are your recommendations for the other star trek shows?

 

Have you seen The Next Generation, Voyager, and Deep Space 9?  They're all good.

 

Far as the modern Star Trek goes, Strange New Worlds is the closest to the original spirit of Star Trek.  "Picard" is also good, and gets better with each subsequent season, but it's heavy on "action".  I'd say it's halfway between the new Trek & old Trek feel.

[feather]

Thank you Jeremy, have not seen those yet ~ are the stories weird with gender issues etc?

 

To understand them, should they be viewed in order you listed?

[computerwiz]

1 minute ago, feather said:

Thank you Jeremy, have not seen those yet ~ are the stories weird with gender issues etc?

 

To understand them, should they be viewed in order you listed?

 

The first 3 have no wokeness in them.  That's before things got bad.  Voyager kinda stands on its own, though it would be a little helpful to start with The Next Generation.  There's some intersection with Deep Space 9, so that may be a good second option, though the style of DS9 is very different: it's mostly serialized instead of episodic...so you do need to watch it in order.  And it's less imaginative & adventurous than The Next Generation...so it is definitely a different experience.  Then I'd recommend Voyager, which I thoroughly enjoyed, but it seems to be a hit or miss with fans.  

 

After these, you have the 4 TNG movies to watch.  With "Generations" being my favorite.

 

"Picard" would be next in chronological order, and definitely requires the TNG & Voyager background before moving on to this one.  I don't remember any wokeness in it, but I'm sure there was something subtle.  Obviously it wasn't strong enough to make me remember...

 

Strange New Worlds kind of stands on its own, and would not require any previous shows to jump right into.  It's thoroughly enjoyable, in my opinion, and again I don't remember any wokeness in it (yet).  Though I have a feeling that's coming with Season 3.  Just a feeling...

 

 

I have not watched Discovery at all.  I am not even interested a little, based on the wokeness in it and other strange Trek ideas they had.  So I can't say much about it.

 

Star Trek Enterprise is hard to get started with.  But around the last season it gets really good...then they cancelled it.  You could skip it completely and not really miss out.  But if you do get into it, it's a rough start and takes a while to find its footing...

[feather]

wokeness?

[computerwiz]

3 minutes ago, feather said:

wokeness?

 

That's a broad term to describe anything dealing with the "progressive" views on issues like gender, race, identity, and sexual orientation.  The kind of stuff that's been shoved in our faces the past few years.

[just1-4all]

24 minutes ago, computerwiz said:

 

That's a broad term to describe anything dealing with the "progressive" views on issues like gender, race, identity, and sexual orientation.  The kind of stuff that's been shoved in our faces the past few years.

I've often wondered about that word, not woke or wokeness, but "progressive". What do the "woke" people, or "progressives" want? What are they progressing towards? 

[just1-4all]

Like you Feather ... HUGE, huge, huge Star Trek (TOS) fan. I was born in '64 and I remember getting all excited when mom called me in in the evening because Star Trek was on. I dropped whatever I was doing and came a runnin'!

 

Favs as to the movies of the franchise:

Films: Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Some thought it too slow ... I loved it. 

Haven't really sat down to watch the other films beyond the original series cast ones. For TNG Capt. Picard-based films, for whatever reason, haven't sat to see them even after they made their theater run. I did see the first film of the re-cast with younger versions of the original crew reboot (Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, etc.). But just the first film. The others, idk, too much flash and violence. (See small-screen note below)

 

Favs as to the small-screen: TNG, Voyager. I also liked Star Trek Enterprise, which I started watching after a long hiatus after Voyager and not really much into all the other series after it. Picard ... I don't know ... too violent for my taste. Although I loved Jean-Luc's character and Patrick Stewart playing him just as much as Bill Shatner's playing of Kirk. Night and day difference in personalities, but both very appealing in their lead roles. As to sex and violence in the original series? ... yes, but not overdone imo. And I'd rather deal with Capt. Kirk's all too predictable schmoozing it up with the lady guest stars than the gender-fluidity stuff being brewed into the new productions. All thanks to the times and the script-writers writing for the times I guess in both cases.

 

 

[feather]

1 hour ago, computerwiz said:

 

That's a broad term to describe anything dealing with the "progressive" views on issues like gender, race, identity, and sexual orientation.  The kind of stuff that's been shoved in our faces the past few years.

Thank you so much brother Jeremy 

  this is exactly what I want to keep away from which is what kept me from looking at the star treks after the original movies, the world started getting freaky weird in the late 80s

[feather]

1 hour ago, just1-4all said:

Like you Feather ... HUGE, huge, huge Star Trek (TOS) fan. I was born in '64 and I remember getting all excited when mom called me in in the evening because Star Trek was on. I dropped whatever I was doing and came a runnin'!

 

Favs as to the movies of the franchise:

Films: Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Some thought it too slow ... I loved it. 

same age, same fan of TOS Kirk/Spock/Bones 

 

ST1 may have moved slowly, but it was demonstrating the knowledge

      Vger had amassed on its travels of 300 years... 'Learn all that is learnable'

  we just didn't realize it what it was depicting until the end of the movie.

 

Also, with the right-turn-on-red, point and click, social media,

    constant updates for news, weather, whatever we now have the attention span of a flea.

  so when it comes to watching something that moves slowly,

     we have trouble going at any other speed than warp speed.

 

Appreciate your ST insights !

[Julsey]

11 hours ago, computerwiz said:

Far as the modern Star Trek goes, Strange New Worlds is the closest to the original spirit of Star Trek.

Jeremy…no, no, no, no, no, lol.

[bobby]

liking Strange New Worlds 

like TNG and Voyager 

DS9 see all the show and really didn't care for it 

Discovery, yeah, I've seen a few episode,s and that did me in for the show 

[feather]

On 4/24/2025 at 8:56 PM, Julsey said:

Jeremy…no, no, no, no, no, lol.

please explain Jules ...

  thre more insights the better 🌻

[Julsey]

1 hour ago, feather said:

please explain Jules ...

  thre more insights the better 🌻

Hi, Renee. I find SNW very non-canonical. Let me expound (“Oh, no!” I can hear Jeremy - and probably Shawn - saying, lol. Look away, Bros! 🤣)

SNW is supposed to be about Pike and his Enterprise. This fact alone had great promise. Unfortunately, the people who produce it know next to nothing about TOS, and, I believe, don’t really care. If they had, they would know the following:

 

Of the TOS crew, only Spock served with Pike. In SNW, they have Uhura as well, who would have been far too young. 

 

Vulcan culture is not human culture. T’Pring is shown proposing to Spock…in a restaurant on Vulcan…where they publicly kiss…then go back to Spock’s place to almost, well, you know…something that wouldn’t have taken place until after the marriage ceremony. They had already been bonded as children (“More than a betrothal,” as Spock says in “Amok Time), so there would be no marriage proposal by either Spock or T’Pring. 

Other things that bother me:

 

T’Pring is clearly the man in the relationship. 
 

All the women are pretty much portrayed as being smarter than Spock.

 

There are next to no men on the bridge. 
 

M’Benga was not on Pike’s ship. The MD was Philip Boyce. (See “The Cage” or “The Menagerie”)

 

Christine Chapel is now portrayed as this kind of tough, been around the block kind of woman who, again, is smarter than (or at least as smart as) Spock. 

 

Ethan Peck’s pronunciation of the word ‘the.’

 

An all musical episode. 
 

Kirk shows up here, yet Kirk had never met Spock until he assumed command of the Enterprise. 
 

Pike has a gourmet kitchen in his quarters where he cooks meals for his crew. Oh, and a full blown fireplace, too. Trying to imagine how the whole ship doesn’t catch on fire, especially when they’re in battle mode. 
 

The stories are more about people’s feelings and emotional baggage than actual sci-fi. 
 

This is the tip of the iceberg. 
 

These things don’t appear to bother most people, but as a crotchety, old time fan, they drive me bonkers. What they tell me is that the producers and writers know the names of the characters but little else. They certainly have no respect for the long time fans. Like the JJ Abrams’ movies, it is ST for the masses, except that ST was never written for the masses. It was always for a niche audience. 

Edited April 27 by Julsey

[feather]

On 4/26/2025 at 9:45 PM, Julsey said:

All the women are pretty much portrayed as being smarter than Spock.

say it isn't So !!! 😱

 

this Cannot BE!!

 

Your whole post is pretty funny Jules

The gourmet kitchen with full blown fireplace is hysterical 

 

... not the Star Trek I grew up with 🫤

 

[computerwiz]

14 hours ago, feather said:

... not the Star Trek I grew up with 🫤

 

And it never will be...

 

But that's why I said it comes the closest to the spirit of Star Trek, with regards to the modern series.  The canonical differences can be easily overlooked for me.  It's not so extreme that I feel it's in a different universe.

 

On 4/26/2025 at 8:45 PM, Julsey said:

An all musical episode. 

 

What's wrong with that?  It's absolutely the spirit of Star Trek!  An exploration into humanity & what it means to be human (in this case, music).  It's not just action & adventure.  Think about TNG's episodes like Data learning to dance, learning to tell jokes, playing an instrument, or an entire episode of playing as Robinhood & living that story.  That musical episode was super fun!  And the Klingons in that episode.....  

[Julsey]

11 hours ago, computerwiz said:

 

And it never will be...

 

But that's why I said it comes the closest to the spirit of Star Trek, with regards to the modern series.  The canonical differences can be easily overlooked for me.  It's not so extreme that I feel it's in a different universe.

 

 

What's wrong with that?  It's absolutely the spirit of Star Trek!  An exploration into humanity & what it means to be human (in this case, music).  It's not just action & adventure.  Think about TNG's episodes like Data learning to dance, learning to tell jokes, playing an instrument, or an entire episode of playing as Robinhood & living that story.  That musical episode was super fun!  And the Klingons in that episode.....  

Ah, yes, but you know me, right? Canon stops after STIV. I could never get into any of the other series except ‘Enterprise,’ and even it contained a lot of things that made me shake my head. 

 

On 4/28/2025 at 6:57 PM, feather said:

say it isn't So !!! 😱

 

this Cannot BE!!

 

Your whole post is pretty funny Jules

The gourmet kitchen with full blown fireplace is hysterical 

 

... not the Star Trek I grew up with 🫤

 

Me, either, Renee! 
 

Oh, and Robert April (from the animated series) is now a Black man, because we just can’t have so many White men, can we?

 

[Julsey]

Parking these here. 😊

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5o2j70Evos

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th-pMntLUJI

[ImSoFluffy]

As an old man, I just wanted to say:

 

I have seen everything concerning Star Trek with my last series I'd seen was "Picard" 

 

I don't know if I want to see beyond that. The new "Section 31" movie looks a bit iffy

[computerwiz]

12 hours ago, Julsey said:

Canon stops after STIV. I could never get into any of the other series except ‘Enterprise,’ and even it contained a lot of things that made me shake my head. 

 

You're too strict!!  Missing out on all kinds of goodness...

 

 

2 hours ago, ImSoFluffy said:

The new "Section 31" movie looks a bit iffy

 

It's a good movie if you pretend you're watching any other sci-fi but Star Trek.  Its just an interesting show that kinda looks like its in the Star Trek universe and with Star Trek elements.    I do hope that's the end of that story though...