Problems with Methodists and Gays

[Zephyr]

https://www.rt.com/news/477436-methodist-church-gay-marriage/

[Thesauron]

I’m always a bit sceptical when Russia Today is being linked to for news...

[Shawnster]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/us/methodist-split-gay-marriage.html

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/03/us/united-methodist-church-split-proposal/index.html

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/united-methodist-church-looks-split-over-lgbtq-issues-n1110176

 

 

[Brother_Bliss]

So much for being the "United" Methodist Church, eh? 

 

 

 

[BenJepthah]

My Grandfather was a Methodist minister. His head would explode if he saw how things in that church were going these days. 

[Dustparticle]

SICK

[Sequoia]

My great grandma or grandma Lena as I call her.  Was a devout Methodist many years ago before she found the truth.   She learned the truth from her mother in law who found the truth around 1900.  Grandma Lena married in 1916 at the age of 16 she was born late 1899.  Her husband my grandpa Beal never came into the truth neither did his fraternal twin brother but they married sisters who were a little over a year a part and they both came into the truth.  

Even while grandma Lena was still going to the Methodist church as a young woman she quit going to a regular social gathering that women from the church had set up. They would bake and bring things and talk and such.  Well there was a very poor woman who couldn't pay her dues anymore so the other women not my grandma Lena decided not to let her come anymore. 

 

"Well I've watched a video of grandma Lena telling her life story with a second cousin interviewing her. (She died when I was 8 months in 1988 she would have lived longer like others in the family but a blood vessel burst.) Anyway she said:  "I just knew that wasn't right."

 

Well my great great grandmother started witnessing to grandma Lena after she and grandpa Beal got married.  She say what did you learn in church today Lena.  She'd try to think of something but couldn't so Second Great Grandma would say well let me show what I learned from the watchtower.  Grandma Ingraham (last name) was the only Bible Student in Montana at that time so she would study by herself.  She was a colporter at least by the 1920's in Montana.

 

After grandma Lena and grandpa Beal left Montana temporarily, grandma Ingraham would send literature to grandma Lena.  In time they went back to Montana and grandma Lena was baptized in 1924 at the age of 24. 

 

One of her sisters the one that married her husband's twin got baptized later.  Also Grandma Ingraham my great great grandma who first found the truth in our family.  Her husband who was my grandpa Ingraham who had not been in the truth all those years was baptized later in the 1920's not long before he died.  

 

Anyway I bring this up in this post because grandma Lena was a devout Methodist before learning the truth and because of what happened with women in her former church.  I don't know how she became a Methodist her parents belonged to the Church of Nazarene.

Edited January 6, 2020 by JW2017

[Sequoia]

I was just thinking that it was over 100 years ago when grandma Ingraham started witnessing to grandma Lena and nearly 100 years since Grandma Lena's baptism four years shy.  And almost 120 years since Grandma Ingraham found the truth.

Edited January 6, 2020 by JW2017

[Lee49]

20 hours ago, Dismal_Bliss said:

So much for being the "United" Methodist Church, eh? 

 

 

 

"United we stand Divided we fall"

 

"United we stand, divided we fall" is a phrase used in many different kinds of mottos, most often to inspire unity and collaboration. Its core concept lies in the collectivist notion that if individual members of a certain group with binding ideals – such as a union, coalition, confederation or alliance – work on their own instead of as a team, they are each doomed to fail and will all be defeated. The phrase is also often referred to with only the words "United we stand".   Wikipedia

[Sequoia]

I forgot to mention that Grandma Ingraham's (Great Great Grandma) oldest daughter was in the truth I don't know about any of her other children but like I said my great grandpa Beal and his fraternal twin were not but both their wives including my former Methodist great grandma came into the truth.  I believe my Grandma Lena's sister  Anna that came into the truth had been Methodist as well.  I'm not sure of grandma Ingraham's religion before she found the truth but based on the research I have done into my family tree.  There were clergymen from her side.  I believe her great grandfather was a clergyman.

Edited January 6, 2020 by JW2017

[Sequoia]

24 minutes ago, JW2017 said:

I forgot to mention that Grandma Ingraham's (Great Great Grandma) oldest daughter was in the truth I don't know about any of her other children but like I said my great grandpa Beal and his fraternal twin were not but both their wives including my former Methodist great grandma came into the truth.  I believe my Grandma Lena's sister  Anna that came into the truth had been Methodist as well.  I'm not sure of grandma Ingraham's religion before she found the truth but based on the research I have done into my family tree.  There were clergymen from her side.  I believe her great grandfather was a clergyman.

Her great grandfather was called a minister at the Church of Mendon in Massachusetts but I don't know what denomination. 

[Thesauron]

The Methodists, they really are a mess. Here they joined forces with the Baptist Church and the Mission Covenant Church some years ago and formed the Uniting Church in Sweden. Homosexuality is not a problem for membership in that church, even though they are a bit divided regarding if it’s a sin or not. It is unclear whether or not they mean someone who is homosexual but remains celibate, or someone who is active. Anyway... Every congregation may chose for themselves whether to perform gay marriage or not.