Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Michał]

Human attempts to achieve P&S commented in one short video:

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJmgufTthX-/?igsh=MXNxMmk2Ym95aHk4OA==

[Cool.As.Ice]

I wonder what the message will be like once the declaration is actually made, but before the nations destroy BTG.

[Bruceq]

1 hour ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

I wonder what the message will be like once the declaration is actually made, but before the nations destroy BTG.

How Jehovah’s people will respond to the announcement of Peace and Security. Preach the Good News. The End of Organized Religion is About to Occur.

PEACE IS IT REAL?                       WHERE CAN WE FIND REAL PEACE?

[Cool.As.Ice]

10 minutes ago, Bruceq said:

How Jehovah’s people will respond to the announcement of Peace and Security. Preach the Good News. The End of Organized Religion is About to Occur.

PEACE IS IT REAL?                       WHERE CAN WE FIND REAL PEACE?

This also reminds me of a preaching campaign we did about 20 or so years ago, with the tract: False Religion Will Soon Be Destroyed!

 

In another thread, people are talking about the changed nature of the preaching work, based on what the slave had just released with the latest WT. However, the hailstone message is yet in the future after BTG is destroyed.

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

This also reminds me of a preaching campaign we did about 20 or so years ago, with the tract: False Religion Will Soon Be Destroyed!

Yeah, imagine how that topic might go over right after P&S but before the destruction begins. 

 

Or, imagine right after BtG is gone the topic being "False Religion Has Been Destroyed" 

[Cool.As.Ice]

Except this time the message will carry even greater weight and force. All living then will be forced to acknowledge that extraordinary events are happening. However, as the Bible shows, even all this will not be enough to convince most people to change.

 

 

[Bruceq]

“And when it comes true—and it will come true—they will have to know that a prophet has been among them.” Ezek. 33:33. “As for them, whether they listen or refuse to listen…they will certainly know that a prophet was among them.” Ezek. 2:5.

[LeolaRootStew]

13 hours ago, Bruceq said:

How Jehovah’s people will respond to the announcement of Peace and Security. Preach the Good News. The End of Organized Religion is About to Occur.

PEACE IS IT REAL?                       WHERE CAN WE FIND REAL PEACE?

 

Before, we said we might not know if the cry of P&S was real until BtG was destroyed, but now we are also looking for the UN to get power. With both signs being fulfilled all but together, we might legitimately have time for a special campaign before the destruction of BtG. This sounds exciting!

 

I wonder if they already have a magazine written up and ready to print. 

[Sackedbysapp]

How many pages will this thread become before that announcement?

[LeolaRootStew]

5 minutes ago, Sackedbysapp said:

How many pages will this thread become before that announcement?

 

388, I hope.

[Dages]

 

Please more  

[Cool.As.Ice]

First of all, I’d like to see a new Revelation book explaining these things we talked about in more detail. There has been so much new information and adjustments that much of what we have studied in our current Revelation book now seems to be outdated. This has been discussed in other threads on here before, but I thought now was a good time to bring this up, since we’re talking about all this.

[mjcabz]

I like to share this question from the reader section of WT August 2025 study edition

 

It explains when will the preaching end and what will be the hail message that we preach during GT. 

 

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2025527&srcid=share

Edited 19 hours ago by mjcabz

[ethancgrant]

2 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

First of all, I’d like to see a new Revelation book explaining these things we talked about in more detail. There has been so much new information and adjustments that much of what we have studied in our current Revelation book now seems to be outdated. This has been discussed in other threads on here before, but I thought now was a good time to bring this up, since we’re talking about all this.

I agree! I have been studying Revelation very in depth for the past year or two. Its been hard to process everything since theres quite a few new understandings on verses or chapters. 
 

Its not so bad now, since ive become so familiar with it all, but a new book would be a game changer

[Dhanyel]

Until when.... 😢

Russia launches largest aerial assault of its three-year war on Ukraine

US ‘silence’ encouraging Putin, says Zelensky, after Russia launches record air assault

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/24/europe/russia-ukraine-kyiv-attack-prisoner-swap-intl-hnk

[ladiife]

On 5/24/2025 at 9:26 AM, Shawnster said:

Yeah, imagine how that topic might go over right after P&S but before the destruction begins. 

 

Or, imagine right after BtG is gone the topic being "False Religion Has Been Destroyed" 

So the declaration has already been made. Were told to keep on the watch for a reason. Babylon fell in a night when no one expected it, when the people were celebrating and partying. Jehovah and Jesus’ time is not the same as ours. These religions are being exposed to a degree they’ve never been exposed before. It would be interesting to see how long after that proclamation was made that the first major sex abuse scandal was uncovered in the church.

[grain of mustard]

13 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

Em primeiro lugar, gostaria de ver um novo livro de Apocalipse explicando com mais detalhes esses assuntos que abordamos. Houve tantas informações novas e ajustes que muito do que estudamos em nosso livro atual de Apocalipse parece estar desatualizado. Isso já foi discutido em outros tópicos aqui, mas achei que agora seria um bom momento para abordar o assunto, já que estamos falando sobre tudo isso.

Revelation and Daniel are two books that need to be studied and reviewed several times. They are very difficult and complex books. We all know how Jehovah guides the organization, which is not all at once, but gradually. There are things in Revelation that seem to need review. I am concerned about studying the Bible. I believe that the brothers of the Governing Body also prioritize studying the Bible. Sometimes bureaucratic issues take up a lot of precious time that should be given to Bible study. It must be difficult to balance this for those who are in charge of the worldwide work. Well, let Jehovah know what He is doing; the Governing Body is in the hands of Jesus.  

[Cool.As.Ice]

1 hour ago, grain of mustard said:

Revelation and Daniel are two books that need to be studied and reviewed several times. They are very difficult and complex books. We all know how Jehovah guides the organization, which is not all at once, but gradually. There are things in Revelation that seem to need review. I am concerned about studying the Bible. I believe that the brothers of the Governing Body also prioritize studying the Bible. Sometimes bureaucratic issues take up a lot of precious time that should be given to Bible study. It must be difficult to balance this for those who are in charge of the worldwide work. Well, let Jehovah know what He is doing; the Governing Body is in the hands of Jesus.  

Hmmm…

 

It appears, Paul, that you have completely misunderstood my comment.

 

So let me explain right here:

 

I am well aware that Jehovah and Jesus are in charge, why do you feel the need to remind me of this? What does that have to do with what I stated earlier?

 

Also, what I am saying is directly related to all of our new understanding of Revelation and what we know now, vs what we believed previously.

 

It is the slave’s job to provide spiritual food and to help make clear current Biblical teachings. My points earlier had nothing to with ‘bureaucratic issues’ or whatever.

 

Here is what I said earlier:

15 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

I’d like to see a new Revelation book explaining these things we talked about in more detail.

There is nothing wrong with saying this. I am very excited about all the new adjustments in our teachings and how Jehovah is letting us see more light. I am eager to hopefully see a new Revelation book that is fully updated with all of the things that we know now, as such helps us to better understand the book of Revelation, along with other Bible prophecies.
 

That is way different then saying things like: “I think the organization is doing this wrong” or “Why isn’t the Governing Body doing this or that”, which would be against this forum’s policies, anyway.

 

In any case yes, Bible study is important, but the slave also interprets the Scriptures, and helps us to understand their meaning better.

 

Why do you think we have all these Bible-

based videos and publications to help us out in our studies of the Bible? Simply reading it is not good enough, we also need to understand the meaning behind what we read, as that enhances our understanding and knowledge of the Scriptures. Therefore, we can explain God’s Word more clearly to our Bible students.

 

With that said you and me might not agree on this particular issue, that is absolutely fine. But just know that this has nothing to do with running ahead of the chariot or nothing like that. 
 

Anyway, I’m not going to keep beating this subject to death, at the end of the day, it’s not my opinion that matters, it’s that Jehovah’s will is getting done.

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Cool.As.Ice

[grain of mustard]

13 minutes ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

Hmmm…

 

Parece, Paul, que você entendeu completamente errado meu comentário.

 

Então deixe-me explicar aqui:

 

Sei muito bem que Jeová e Jesus estão no comando. Por que você sente a necessidade de me lembrar disso? O que isso tem a ver com o que eu disse antes?

 

Além disso, o que estou dizendo está diretamente relacionado a toda a nossa nova compreensão do Apocalipse e ao que sabemos agora, em comparação ao que acreditávamos anteriormente.

 

É função do escravo fornecer alimento espiritual e ajudar a esclarecer os ensinamentos bíblicos atuais. Meus pontos anteriores não tinham nada a ver com "questões burocráticas" ou algo assim.

 

Aqui está o que eu disse antes:

Não há nada de errado em dizer isso. Estou muito animado com todos os novos ajustes em nossos ensinamentos e como Jeová está nos permitindo ver mais luz. Estou ansioso para ver um novo livro de Apocalipse totalmente atualizado com tudo o que sabemos agora, para que possamos entender melhor o livro de Apocalipse, juntamente com outras profecias bíblicas.
 

Isso é muito diferente de dizer coisas como: "Acho que a organização está fazendo isso errado" ou "Por que o Corpo Governante não está fazendo isso ou aquilo", o que seria contra as políticas deste fórum, de qualquer forma.

 

Em qualquer caso, sim, o estudo da Bíblia é importante, mas o escravo também interpreta as Escrituras e nos ajuda a entender melhor o seu significado.

 

Por que você acha que temos todas essas Bíblias?

Vídeos e publicações baseados em texto bíblico para nos ajudar em nossos estudos da Bíblia? Simplesmente ler não é suficiente; também precisamos entender o significado  por trás do que lemos, pois isso aprimora nossa compreensão e conhecimento das Escrituras. Assim, podemos explicar a Palavra de Deus com mais clareza aos nossos estudantes da Bíblia.

 

Dito isso, você e eu podemos discordar sobre essa questão específica, mas isso é perfeitamente normal. Mas saiba que isso não tem nada a ver com correr na frente da carruagem ou algo do tipo. 
 

De qualquer forma, não vou continuar batendo palma neste assunto. No fim das contas, não é  a minha opinião que importa, mas sim que a vontade de Jeová está sendo feita.

 

 

 

 

I understood what you said in the other post. I didn't see anything wrong with your comment. I also expect updates. I agree with everything you said. I didn't respond to what was posted. I just added my thoughts about the need to dedicate more time to studying the Bible and leave bureaucratic issues to the other brothers. I see that this is what the brothers have been trying to do, but it's difficult since they are at the forefront of the organization. Bureaucratic issues slow down the study of the Bible and, consequently, new understandings and updates. That's why I said that this is how Jehovah has been working and it's up to me to be patient. But again, this comment is not against what you wrote. It's my feeling. And you can disagree with it. 

[Cool.As.Ice]

34 minutes ago, grain of mustard said:

It's my feeling. And you can disagree with it. 

K. We will agree to disagree then.

 

Moving on…

5 hours ago, ladiife said:

So the declaration has already been made. Were told to keep on the watch for a reason. Babylon fell in a night when no one expected it, when the people were celebrating and partying. Jehovah and Jesus’ time is not the same as ours. These religions are being exposed to a degree they’ve never been exposed before. It would be interesting to see how long after that proclamation was made that the first major sex abuse scandal was uncovered in the church.

This has got me thinking as to what is actually the tipping point that creates chaos after such a proclamation is made. The Bible did say instantly, I’m sure there must be some sort of catalyst that makes all heck break loose.

[LeolaRootStew]

6 hours ago, ladiife said:

So the declaration has already been made. Were told to keep on the watch for a reason. Babylon fell in a night when no one expected it, when the people were celebrating and partying. Jehovah and Jesus’ time is not the same as ours. These religions are being exposed to a degree they’ve never been exposed before. It would be interesting to see how long after that proclamation was made that the first major sex abuse scandal was uncovered in the church.

 

You think the cry of peace and security has already been made?

[New World Explorer]

3 hours ago, grain of mustard said:

Revelation and Daniel are two books that need to be studied and reviewed several times. They are very difficult and complex books. We all know how Jehovah guides the organization, which is not all at once, but gradually. There are things in Revelation that seem to need review. I am concerned about studying the Bible. I believe that the brothers of the Governing Body also prioritize studying the Bible. Sometimes bureaucratic issues take up a lot of precious time that should be given to Bible study. It must be difficult to balance this for those who are in charge of the worldwide work. Well, let Jehovah know what He is doing; the Governing Body is in the hands of Jesus.  

Do you know that GB is supported by various committees? There are many helpers as well and other admin members. 

[grain of mustard]

8 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Você sabia que o GB conta com o apoio de vários comitês? Há também muitos ajudantes e outros membros administrativos. 

What do you mean by support? If it is in the Biblical understanding, that would be very good. But it seems that the committees support in the organizational arrangements. Regarding biblical research, it seems that the members of the body receive letters from various parts of the world that have been approved, and that there are still no published materials or different understandings. From there, they meet to discuss, sometimes there is more than one meeting to reach a conclusion.  

[ladiife]

44 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

You think the cry of peace and security has already been made?

I was referring to the statement the brother made about Jehovah's Witnesses preaching about the end of false religion is near, not peace and security. A hard hitting message was given when that campaign was preached. And notice I said, I wonder how long after that was the covers pulled off these religions for this child abuse - in particular the Catholic church.

[New World Explorer]

45 minutes ago, grain of mustard said:

What do you mean by support? If it is in the Biblical understanding, that would be very good. But it seems that the committees support in the organizational arrangements. Regarding biblical research, it seems that the members of the body receive letters from various parts of the world that have been approved, and that there are still no published materials or different understandings. From there, they meet to discuss, sometimes there is more than one meeting to reach a conclusion.  

You are making huge assumptions here. Have ever heard of a Teaching Committee and what is involved with this aspect?