Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Sepie93]

11. Describing the time leading up to World War I, Daniel 11:27, 28 says that the king of the north and the king of the south would “sit at one table speaking lies.” It also says that the king of the north would accumulate “a great amount of goods.” Again, this is what happened. Germany and Britain told each other that they wanted peace, but those statements proved to be lies when the war broke out in 1914. And in the decades before 1914, Germany grew rich, becoming the second-largest economy in the world. Then, in fulfillment of Daniel 11:29 and the first part of verse 30, Germany fought with the king of the south but was defeated.
 
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2020400#h=56
 
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First check how Bible verses are explained in the publications and search for information in the Online Library before making comments, especially regarding the fulfillment of certain prophecies.

I've just said the conference made me think of this verse. Nothing more. The pushing mentioned in the same chapter of Daniël, is applied to our day in the same article series.

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[New World Explorer]

Not a Coffee shop... but we are getting there LOL 

[Áine]

6 hours ago, Dark King said:

Trump seems like he wants peace 🕊️. Putin is another story.

That’s true… but people seem to miss the fact that it’s not his country at war. 

[lord21]

Regarding the discussion prophecies in this Watchtower have a good reminder:

 

"When discussing Bible prophecy, however, we should avoid speculating. Why? Because we would not want to say anything that could cause disunity in the congregation. For instance, we may hear world leaders talk about how they can solve a particular conflict and bring peace and security. Instead of speculating that such a statement fulfills the prophecy at 1 Thessalonians 5:3, we need to keep up-to-date with the latest published information. When we base our discussions on material published by Jehovah's organization, we help the congregation to remain united "in the same line of thought."—1 Cor. 1:10; https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2023285

[Andress]

4 hours ago, lord21 said:

11. Describing the time leading up to World War I, Daniel 11:27, 28 says that the king of the north and the king of the south would “sit at one table speaking lies.” It also says that the king of the north would accumulate “a great amount of goods.” Again, this is what happened. Germany and Britain told each other that they wanted peace, but those statements proved to be lies when the war broke out in 1914. And in the decades before 1914, Germany grew rich, becoming the second-largest economy in the world. Then, in fulfillment of Daniel 11:29 and the first part of verse 30, Germany fought with the king of the south but was defeated.

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2020400#h=56

 

Dear publishers, be careful.

First check how Bible verses are explained in the publications and search for information in the Online Library before making comments, especially regarding the fulfillment of certain prophecies.

 

As it is the word of Jehova, we can expect that even if some verses refeers to a specific event (11:27), still jehova have written down the  description of the heart conditions of the north and south kings.
We can expect verses to show the behaviours (like this) to be adaptable over and over again even if it is not a prophecy over a specific event.

like when reading in proverbs over a ”wicked” person… so, you can actually find nice Gems through out daniel chap 11 on behaviours that we will see over and over again regarding the kings ways of acting.

[New World Explorer]

Ukraine’s president said he would fly to Washington on Monday to meet with Donald Trump after a telephone call with the US president in which he was briefed on the key points of the Alaska summit. The meeting will mark the first return to the White House for Volodymyr Zelenskyy since his infamous row with Trump in late February.

Zelenskyy said that his hour-long one-on-one conversation with Trump was “long and substantive”.

 

“President Trump informed [me] about his meeting with the Russian leader and the main points of their discussion,” Zelenskyy wrote, adding that Ukraine supported Trump’s proposal for a trilateral meeting between the two men and Vladimir Putin.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/16/zelenskyy-to-meet-trump-on-monday-putin-alaska-summit-briefing

[Julsey]

On 8/9/2025 at 8:29 AM, JennyM said:

i love to read that the earth may not be the only habitable earth.. I thought about that  that even before. Why would the milky way galaxy has billions of planets if its not going to be inhabited? 

 

And go beyond our galaxy, to the universe, and it makes even more sense that there will be many other places to go.

[Julsey]

I was listening to Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff, on Fox News on SiriusXM on my way home this afternoon. They were discussing the 7 wars/conflicts that Trump has ended since coming into office. Did a double take at my radio when he called him, “the peace and security president”!

[Tortuga]

I think its interesting that world leaders use that phrase so often and so easily. Anyone that has read the Bible perks up when they hear those words. Google "Bible Peace and Security" and you'll see how many different religions are interested in those words.

[New World Explorer]

27 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

I think its interesting that world leaders use that phrase so often and so easily. Anyone that has read the Bible perks up when they hear those words. Google "Bible Peace and Security" and you'll see how many different religions are interested in those words.

In a long run ..it does not matter... it does not. 

What matters though is the fact that Jehovah decided to include this prophecy (he did not have to) in the Bible to show us what will trigger the conclusion of this system. (Yes I am aware that attack on false religion technically triggers GT) 

Jehovah was clear to include this in the Bible... 

Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. 4 But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves..

 

Imagine if we did not have those verses in the Bible ... hmmm 

Seeing events associated with PS helps us a lot to discern where we are in the stream of time. And if someone debates that what is currently happening as insignificant and "oh..we have seen it before" then .. well that's their personal view and opinion. 

[New World Explorer]

I like when they "float" Coalition on the news ...😉 (I am not saying that the picture depicts that future coalition.. but maybe it's a prelude of things to come, the "baby" is being born so to speak or at least the concept)

 

Under inspiration, the prophet Ezekiel explains what Gog of Magog, a coalition of nations, will do: “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘In that day thoughts will come into your heart, and you will devise an evil plan. You will say: “I will invade the land of unprotected settlements. I will come against those living in security, without disturbance, all of them living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.”W2015

Truly, Jehovah’s faithful servants will stand out as different during that desperate time of tribulation. They will still be the only group of people on earth serving Jehovah God and refusing to give their support to “the wild beast.” (Rev. 13:14-17) Their firm stand will provoke the rage of those who oppose Jehovah. As a result, a coalition of nations will attack God’s people all over the earth. This act of mad aggression is described prophetically as the attack of Gog of Magog.—Ezek. 38:14-16. W22
 

 

[JennyM]

3 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

I like when they "float" Coalition on the news ...😉 (I am not saying that the picture depicts that future coalition.. but maybe it's a prelude of things to come, the "baby" is being born so to speak or at least the concept)

 

Under inspiration, the prophet Ezekiel explains what Gog of Magog, a coalition of nations, will do: “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘In that day thoughts will come into your heart, and you will devise an evil plan. You will say: “I will invade the land of unprotected settlements. I will come against those living in security, without disturbance, all of them living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.”W2015

Truly, Jehovah’s faithful servants will stand out as different during that desperate time of tribulation. They will still be the only group of people on earth serving Jehovah God and refusing to give their support to “the wild beast.” (Rev. 13:14-17) Their firm stand will provoke the rage of those who oppose Jehovah. As a result, a coalition of nations will attack God’s people all over the earth. This act of mad aggression is described prophetically as the attack of Gog of Magog.—Ezek. 38:14-16. W22
 

 

Governing body firstly wrote the word coalition.  The coalition of willing was formed in March 2025  to support Ukraine  against Russian aggression. 

 

So Jehovah foresees that these nations will use the word "coalition" to call their group. 

[Dhanyel]

In Alaska, Trump gifts Putin more time to grind down Ukraine

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/16/europe/alaska-summit-trump-putin-ukraine-intl

 

[Shawnster]

8 hours ago, JennyM said:

So Jehovah foresees that these nations will use the word "coalition" to call their group. 

The nations have been using the term "coalition" for centuries. 

 

They use of the word coalition is not significant to the prophecy. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Fifth_Coalition

The War of the Fifth Coalition was a European conflict in 1809 that was part of the Napoleonic Wars and the Coalition Wars

 

 

[JennyM]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

The nations have been using the term "coalition" for centuries. 

 

They use of the word coalition is not significant to the prophecy. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Fifth_Coalition

The War of the Fifth Coalition was a European conflict in 1809 that was part of the Napoleonic Wars and the Coalition Wars

 

 

okay. thanks for correction... coalition is just a part of the vocabulary then. 

[New World Explorer]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

The nations have been using the term "coalition" for centuries. 

 

They use of the word coalition is not significant to the prophecy. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Fifth_Coalition

The War of the Fifth Coalition was a European conflict in 1809 that was part of the Napoleonic Wars and the Coalition Wars

 

 

I respectfully disagree. FDS is specifically using the term “coalition” for future events. 
 

 

[just1-4all]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

The nations have been using the term "coalition" for centuries. 

 

They use of the word coalition is not significant to the prophecy. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Fifth_Coalition

The War of the Fifth Coalition was a European conflict in 1809 that was part of the Napoleonic Wars and the Coalition Wars

 

 

@Shawnster I don't have time to look into it at the moment but your comment made think of an old publication in a glass case at our Assembly Hall which had on it's yellowed paper cover something to do with Who really is "The Fifth Column", or something to that effect. Clicking on the Wikipedia link for the Fifth Coalition article, I did a find word search for 'column', but in the context of fourth and fifth columns of troops. So, wondering still if there is a connection to Fifth Coalition and the Fifth Column as a much used expression, circa/from pre-WWII (?) I think?

 

Perhaps you know

[just1-4all]

Asking about the expression "Fifth Column" to an A.I. merely mentions it refers to something to do with a physical army, in the context of the Spanish Civil War (1936), but later came to be associated with a conspiracy theory as regards the war's loyalist I suppose and the person's seeking to overthrow the Spanish government at the time?

[Shawnster]

 

 

1 hour ago, New World Explorer said:

I respectfully disagree. FDS is specifically using the term “coalition” for future events. 
 

 

 

 

That was not my point. 

 

The word "coalition" is not new. Governments have formed coalitions for centuries. 

 

It's not the word "coalition" that is significant in the fulfillment of the prophecy. The prophecy is that the governments will form an agreement to work together for the goal of destroying religion. 

 

Simply seeing the word coalition is irrelevant. Governments form coalitions all the time.  For example:

 

Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990 ended in Iraq’s defeat by a U.S.-led coalition in the Persian Gulf War (1990–91).

https://www.britannica.com/event/Iraq-War

 

 

 

What we are eagerly anticipating is the coalition that will be formed with the intention of destroying religion.  

 

We should not get hung up on specific words. It's the thought that counts. The Slave could have used any synonym of "coalition" to describe this prophetic event such as union, alliance, group, league, confederation, etc...  The word in Greek, Hebrew, or Japanese might be something different yet conveys the same thought. 

 

Let's not get so hung up on semantics. 

 

 

[Shawnster]

16 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

maybe it's a prelude of things to come, the "baby" is being born so to speak or at least the concept

 

It's Jehovah's one thought. Are we really going to see a prelude to that thought? Does Jehovah need to set the stage before he plants that one thought? 

 

Are we really going to see if coming or isn't Jehovah powerful enough to give them this one thought suddenly, unexpectedly, without any prior indication? 

[Bernadette]

I’ve always struggled with the ‘one thought’ process.  It’s imperfection - we often see a build up to political actions (but not always) and therefore that’s what we tend to expect…
 

The fall of the Berlin Wall is an example / some civil unrest and then it ‘fell’ in a few days and partly due to bureaucratic accident  (🤔). But it did happen quickly…

 

It is hard to imagine waking up one morning and all world religions being banned but the reality is that as an organisation we are banned in many countries and we are far from the only banned religion (Pew research has some interesting data on this). 

A few weeks ago I was at my Saturday visit to my Mum’s.  She likes to talk about the political state of this system.  She is a baptised sister but sadly not been to a meeting in over 40 years (she’s now 78).   So I listen and remind her that Jehovah and Jesus will ultimately sort it out.  As I was leaving I said ‘mum with how fast this system is moving we just don’t know what we’re going to be waking up to’.

The following morning I woke up to the news that the US had bombed Iran.

 

This was a stark reminder to me of how quickly things can change.

 

I agree with you brother - there doesn’t need to be a prelude to the ‘one thought’ Jehovah will make it happen when He wants it to.😊

 

[Áine]

I see that Zelenskyy is talking the complete posse with him to see Trump… safety in numbers I guess , they will be standing together in front of Trump for moral support. 😂
 

 

[Shawnster]

48 minutes ago, Áine said:

I see that Zelenskyy is talking the complete posse with him to see Trump… safety in numbers I guess , they will be standing together in front of Trump for moral support. 😂
 

 

 

He learned from his last meeting with Trump and Vance.