Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[chuck83]

Mexico, Chile refer Israel-Hamas conflict to ICC over potential crimes

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexico-chile-refer-israel-hamas-183423229.html

[chuck83]

Dhanyel posted a Portuguese article. Here is an English article.
 

Ukraine-Russia war: Nato sends 90,000 troops to deter Russia in largest exercise since Cold War

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-nato-sends-151220355.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nato-kick-off-biggest-drills-143852788.html

Edited January 19 by chuck83

[JennyM]

Nothing's new for me. War has been there since I was conscious in the 90's. The gulf war. 

[Percy]

39 minutes ago, JennyM said:

Nothing's new for me. War has been there since I was conscious in the 90's. The gulf war. 

It is getting more and more like "1984" by George Orwell where random attacks occur in different parts of the world, but today it is much more complex with so many countries and little factions involved.

[JennyM]

14 minutes ago, Percy said:

It is getting more and more like "1984" by George Orwell where random attacks occur in different parts of the world, but today it is much more complex with so many countries and little factions involved.

Well, Im more than glad to know.

 

2Tim3:13 wicked will advance to worse.

 

Our ministy is shifted to focus on bible study now. No time left for those who do not listen.  

 

 

I want the new world so bad . Romans 8:22 said that all creation are groaning and Im one of them. 

 

 

Edited January 19 by JennyM

[Tortuga]

18 minutes ago, Percy said:

It is getting more and more like "1984" by George Orwell where random attacks occur in different parts of the world, but today it is much more complex with so many countries and little factions involved.

1984 - 40 years later...

[Dhanyel]

The summary is: The storm is coming!

[Richie]

The yearning of the nations for peace and security has become more persistent today. Even the word "peace and security" can be expressed in other way like calling to stop wars or conflicts aiming to establish economic stability and secure future. As we alreadry know Jehovah's Day is coming exactly as the thief in the night. So the expression would be in different expressions not exactly the word, "Peace and Security". Today, people around the world are aiming this in a tremendous scale.

[MChill14]

Houthis aligning themselves with the KOTN 

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/houthis-promise-safe-passage-for-chinese-russian-ships-transiting-through-red-sea/

Edited January 19 by MChill14
Forgot to paste link

[Osprey]

Nato says Western civilians should prepare for 'all-out war' with Russia

https://www.themirror.com/news/world-news/western-civilians-should-prepare-all-294484

[Brett]

2 hours ago, Osprey said:

Nato says Western civilians should prepare for 'all-out war' with Russia

https://www.themirror.com/news/world-news/western-civilians-should-prepare-all-294484

However the article does mention in the next 20 years. As we are keeping awake to world events, I’m sure it is imminent as things could change rapidly 

[Dhanyel]

8 hours ago, Richie said:

The yearning of the nations for peace and security has become more persistent today. Even the word "peace and security" can be expressed in other way like calling to stop wars or conflicts aiming to establish economic stability and secure future. As we alreadry know Jehovah's Day is coming exactly as the thief in the night. So the expression would be in different expressions not exactly the word, "Peace and Security". Today, people around the world are aiming this in a tremendous scale.

The prophecy mentions the words peace and security, this does not change, it may be in a subtle way but the prophecy says when they are saying Peace and Security 

[Richie]

6 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

The prophecy mentions the words peace and security, this does not change, it may be in a subtle way but the prophecy says when they are saying Peace and Security 

Honestly speaking not only Jehovah's people watching the cry of "Peace and Security". A lot from Babylon the Great are watching this event and connecting it to the end of the world scenario. But, we are the only one who can understand it well the meaning of it.

Interlinear version gives another way of expression. 

[Osprey]

35 minutes ago, Brett said:

However the article does mention in the next 20 years. As we are keeping awake to world events, I’m sure it is imminent as things could change rapidly 

 

German defence minister Pistorius today (or yesterday?) mentioned serious possibility of war between Nato and Russia breaking out in the next few years, 8 - 10 max. After Sweden officials few days ago warned citizens to prepare, selling of some survival equipment picked up significantly. We will see what happens, but yes, it sure can get pretty much worse, before it will be better...

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

The prophecy mentions the words peace and security, this does not change, it may be in a subtle way but the prophecy says when they are saying Peace and Security

The greek meaning is actualy "feeling safe". That´s why GB says that it will happen when people finaly feel safe. This can happen after a tremendous dreadful situation when the World is on the verge of major global conflict... or any other situation. then sudden change in the World scenario brings some hope. That may be it.

 

[JennyM]

5 hours ago, Osprey said:

Nato says Western civilians should prepare for 'all-out war' with Russia

https://www.themirror.com/news/world-news/western-civilians-should-prepare-all-294484

Thats what satan is good at. To spread "woes" to the earth. 

Nathan Knorr talk at WW2, there will be temporary peace on earth to gather the great crowd. 

Im so happy that I was one of person who was drawn by Jehovah even I lived in a remote village before. 

[JennyM]

15 hours ago, chuck83 said:

Dhanyel posted a Portuguese article. Here is an English article.
 

Ukraine-Russia war: Nato sends 90,000 troops to deter Russia in largest exercise since Cold War

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-nato-sends-151220355.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nato-kick-off-biggest-drills-143852788.html

push and push.. 

locking horns 

[trottigy]

1 hour ago, Sofia said:

The greek meaning is actualy "feeling safe". That´s why GB says that it will happen when people finaly feel safe. This can happen after a tremendous dreadful situation when the World is on the verge of major global conflict... or any other situation. then sudden change in the World scenario brings some hope. That may be it.

 

 

Or it could happen after some scientific discovery that causes a major shift in people's awareness - like say free or low cost energy (unlike renewable energy) OR some wonder drug/ treatment that is relatively inexpensive that cures almost anything.

 

It will be interesting to see what is in store.

[Dustparticle]

9 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

Or it could happen after some scientific discovery that causes a major shift in people's awareness - like say free or low cost energy (unlike renewable energy) OR some wonder drug/ treatment that is relatively inexpensive that cures almost anything.

 

It will be interesting to see what is in store.

I take Wonder Drug.

Edited January 19 by Dustparticle

[Sofia]

38 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

I take Wonder Drug.

….To cure the  “X” disease 

[Dumma]

1 hour ago, JennyM said:

push and push.. 

locking horns 

feels like all the pieces of puzzle is in place one that triggers all is UN getting teeth, rest is chain reaction isn't it.

[Paulo]

Until the GB makes a 100% certain identification to other event, I will still think that P&S is a reference to the book of Daniel and that "they" are KOTS and KOTN.

And that it started roughly in 1989, officially proclaimed in 1991 and officially ended in 31 December 2021.

I still remember that one of its proclamations affected us JWs because it stopped us here in Portugal from calling the new Heaven and the new Earth as "Nova Ordem Mundial", or "New World Order"

 

"During the past 30 years, many people have felt that the international order was stable and even improving. However, that view is being challenged by recent events."

https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/is-world-war-inevitable/

[Osprey]

12 minutes ago, Paulo said:

Until the GB makes a 100% certain identification to other event, I will still think that P&S is a reference to the book of Daniel and that "they" are KOTS and KOTN.

And that it started roughly in 1989, officially proclaimed in 1991 and officially ended in 31 December 2021.

I still remember that one of its proclamations affected us JWs because it stopped us here in Portugal from calling the new Heaven and the new Earth as "Nova Ordem Mundial", or "New World Order"

 

"During the past 30 years, many people have felt that the international order was stable and even improving. However, that view is being challenged by recent events."

https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/is-world-war-inevitable/

 

I don't really understand any of it, can you elaborate more about all of that?

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, Paulo said:

"During the past 30 years, many people have felt that the international order was stable and even improving

This is refering to the end of cold war. In 1991 Soviet Union collapsed. The Russian Federation then gained force, but God´s people had some rest until 2017. Ever since 2008/14/22 that the Russian Federation in Putin´s hands engaged into an invasion policy in a imperial movement to conquest more land.

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, Paulo said:

I will still think that P&S is a reference to the book of Daniel and that "they" are KOTS and KOTN.

Bible Study quote: 

"1 Thessalonians 5:3

sudden destruction is to be instantly on them: Paul here indicates that there will be little or no time between the proclamation of “peace and security” and the destruction that will come upon those making that cry. It will be sudden and inescapable. The Greek phrase contains two terms (rendered “sudden” and “be instantly on”) to emphasize the striking suddenness with which the destruction will come. A similar combination of terms appears at Lu 21:34, where the coming of Jehovah’s day is described."

 

Since Jehovah´s day starts with BTG destruction, GB says: "That will be the foretold proclamation of “peace and security.” Why will world leaders say that? Will religious  leaders participate? Possibly." .WT -09/19

As mentioned in this AM the length of GT will be quite short. days? weeks? How long will it take for the governments to find out that JWs are still worshiping God? The sequence of events from BTG till Armagedom will be very fast I think.

 

"Paul mentions “Jehovah’s day.” As used in this context, this refers to the time period that begins with the attack on “Babylon the  Great,” the world empire of false religion, and ends with Armageddon. (Rev. 16:14, 16; 17:5) Just before that “day” begins, the nations will be proclaiming “Peace and security!” (Some translations say: “Peace and safety.”) World leaders sometimes use similar expressions when they talk about stabilizing relationships between nations. * However, the announcement of “peace and security” that the Bible describes will be different. Why? When this happens, people may think that world leaders have succeeded in making the world a safer, more secure place. But in reality, “sudden destruction” will follow as the “great tribulation” unfolds.—Matt. 24:21." https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2019/keep-busy-during-last-days/

Edited January 19 by Sofia