What do you think that perfection and no more pain in the new world means?

[Ronald Davis]

i already have the answers however it seems like to me that a lot of witnesses have the wrong idea.  so i will give everyone a chance to answer this then i will tell evreyone where to look in our publications for the real answers and what the true answers are.

[Dolce vita]

Rev 21:4

Rom 8:21-22

It is the mental, emotional, and physical pain caused by sin and imperfection that will disappear. I guess we will probably always feel pain that warns us of danger, that is there to protect us.

[trottigy]

Pain caused by imperfection. Examples of that would be the pain I experience in my left knee due to arthritis. As arthritis will be a thing of the past along with aging - aches and pains from old age will be gone 

 

Also emotional and mental pain caused by imperfection. For example, dealing with one of your children having a child out of wedlock. Or them committing a crime and ending up in jail, or any number of things that our loved ones do that cause us pain. Or even dumb thing that we might do due to imperfection and bad choices and the suffering that comes from that (see David).

[grain of mustard]

Physical physical pain is a protection  

[dljbsp]

What do perfection and “no more pain” mean in the New World?

 

A thoughtful and multi-faceted question—thank you, Ronald, for opening it up so honestly. And thanks to Dolce vita, trottigy, and grain of mustard for your reflections, which already highlight key scriptural principles and shed light on common misunderstandings.

 

To answer this thoroughly—and accurately—we need to balance scriptural insight with what Jehovah’s organization has clearly explained in our publications. Here are some layered aspects of what perfection and the end of pain will truly mean:

 

No more pain… but what kind of pain?

 

As Dolce vita rightly noted, Revelation 21:4 is our foundation:

 

“And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

 

This “pain” is not merely the protective, sensory pain that warns us of injury (which grain of mustard pointed out still serves a vital function). Instead, it’s the harmful pain that stems from sin and imperfection:

– Emotional anguish (Psalm 31:10)

– Mental suffering from anxiety, depression, or grief (Proverbs 12:25)

– Physical decay due to illness and age (Isaiah 33:24; Job 33:25)

 

As trottigy illustrated, these include the pain from bad choices—ours or others’—that ripple into our lives today.

 

Perfection doesn’t mean robotic bliss

 

Some assume that perfection means we’ll never make mistakes or have negative emotions. But that’s not quite what our publications teach. Jehovah and Jesus are perfect, yet they experience emotions like grief, anger, and sorrow (Genesis 6:6; Mark 3:5).

 

So even in perfection, we’ll:

– Learn and grow (as Jesus did—Luke 2:52)

– Feel concern or urgency (like Paul—2 Corinthians 11:28)

– Possibly even shed tears, but not from pain or sin-induced suffering

 

The Insight Book notes that Adam was created perfect but still needed guidance and time to grow in experience (it-2 p. 625).

 

Growing into perfection is a process

 

Perfection is not granted instantly at Armageddon. Rather, it is reached gradually during the Thousand Year Reign (w07 11/1 p. 30).

 

We’ll:

– Unlearn old habits

– Heal from emotional trauma

– Grow into perfect thinking, emotions, and choices over time

 

So “no more pain” is a promise fulfilled gradually, culminating in the complete healing of humanity under Christ’s rule.

 

Pain as a biological function may still exist

 

Just as grain of mustard suggested, the body’s warning system isn’t inherently bad. Touching something hot may still activate a protective response. But it won’t be chronic or tied to decay. We won’t live in fear of pain—it’ll be brief, functional, and then gone. No lasting suffering.

 

Sin will be gone—but free will remains

 

As trottigy mentioned, many of our pains now come from poor choices. In the new world, we’ll still have free will, but it will no longer be warped by sin (Romans 8:21). Our desires will align with Jehovah’s standards. So:

– No more inner conflict (Romans 7:22-25)

– No more guilt

– No more destructive tendencies

 

After the final test, those who remain loyal will have been fully restored—proven faithful beyond the reach of sin’s influence. (Revelation 20:10; w14 1/15 p. 11) It won’t be that we “can’t” sin, but that we won’t—because our loyalty will have been firmly established.

 

In summary

 

Perfection and “no more pain” in the new world mean:

– The complete removal of sin and its consequences

– The end of suffering, illness, emotional torment, and death

– The ability to grow freely in health, knowledge, love, and joy

– Continued learning, but with no risk of falling into sin again—because loyalty will have been proven

 

Jehovah’s promises don’t mean numbness or robotic calm—they mean full, healthy life the way it was always meant to be.

 

References

– Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 625 (Perfection)

– The Watchtower, May 1, 2002, pp. 8–13 (on Revelation 21:4 and types of pain)

– The Watchtower, November 1, 2007, p. 30 (perfection is reached gradually)

– God’s Kingdom Rules! (2014), Chapter 21 (on Kingdom rule and restoration)

– The Watchtower, January 15, 2014, p. 11 (on the final test and proving loyalty)

[Ronald Davis]

wow i am really proud to see that you all came up with excellent answers.  

 

so to start with no more pain:  yes we will still have the kind of pain like for instance if you are building your house and you hit your thumb with the hammer it is going to hurt.  if you walk through a fire you will burn.  so this pain is a protection and it will always be with us.  

 

answer:

 

insight on the scriptures volume 2 look under pain and read the first  3  paragraphs.

 

now what is perfection.  perfection does not mean that we can't ever choose to do something wrong because we will still be free moral agents like Jesus,  the anointed,  angels,  and all humans.  because in the draw close book it says that Jehovah will never take away are free will.  and there is only one person in the whole universe that has absolute perfection and that is Jehovah and it will be that way forever.

 

answers:

 

insight on the scriptures volume 2:

perfection read first paragraph

then read under the subheading called:

importance of correct viewpoint

then read under the subheading:

other perfection relative

then read under the subheading:

perfection and free will

 

plus you can go the may  2025 study edition of the watchtower and go to:

study article  19  entitled:

imitate the faithful angels

go to paragraphs 1-2 where it shows that angels are like us in having free will

 

you would be surprised at how many witnesses i asked that question to and they said that we would be as perfect as Jehovah so we could never do anything wrong at all.  plus they said that we would feel no kind of pain at all even if you hit your thumb with a hammer.

 

i hope that even with my language problem i hope i explained it right.  that is why i made sure to give you where the answers are at so that if i said it wrong the research can fix it for me then thanks for all of your answers i appreciate it.

Edited June 16 by Ronald Davis

[Ishaya]

I'm not sure about all that perfection may mean,but I do have some ideas about what it may not mean.

 

Perfection does not mean that we will not be able to make poor decisions even in the new world.

perfection is not the something as being wise,a perfect person can be very foolish.

perfection does not mean that we will not feel hurt from disappointments.

If a brother develops a strong romantic interest in a sister but she is not interested but rather loves someone else.the brother will be disappointed and may feel hurt, but he is still a perfect person.Even Jehovah feels hurt,right? so perfection does not make you devoid of emotions.

 

So what then does perfection mean,

Well,perfection means completeness of a creation,

It means that we have attained the fullness of specification of Jehovah's creation in terms of physical,mental and psychological specification or abilities.

 

it is left for us to determine how we will live having attained that state of completeness or perfecrion.

Jehovah will not make decisions for us,it is our responsibility to do that.

That is why Jehovah is training us now to know how to make good decisions.

Someone who does not take the making of good decisions seriously now,will have problems in the new world.

 

In summary,Jehovah want us to understand the seriousness of making good decisions now,because we will still need that quality in the new world when we become perfect.

 

[LeolaRootStew]

For anyone who thinks perfect people can't be injured, please remember that Jesus was whipped, slapped, pierced with nails, and subsequently died. 

 

 

[Shawnster]

Perfection does not mean rigid conformity, either. Jehovah intentionally created a certain amount of randomness and oddities. 

 

Consider the length of the days and the year, for example. Only twice a year are their equal amounts of daylight hours vs. Night hours. The rest of the time the number of daylight hours vs night hours is not equal or balance. 

 

Consider the length of the year. The Israelites in Bible times had a leap month. That is why Nisan 14 is always on a different day or month on our calendar. In our time we have a leap day every 4 years.  There is absolutely no way to divide the number of days in a year evenly. 

 

Perfection includes oddity, randomness, and asymmetry. 

[Tortuga]

21 hours ago, Ronald Davis said:

they said that we would feel no kind of pain at all even if you hit your thumb with a hammer.

They are in for a big surprise..

[hatcheckgirl]

What about emotional pain, like the feeling of guilt? Like physical pain, it can warn us. We then listen to our trained conscience and avoid the wrong.

 

*** g02 3/8 p. 27 Feelings of Guilt—Are They Always Bad? ***
Feeling guilt can be good in at least three ways. First, it signals that we are aware of acceptable standards. It shows that we have a working conscience. (Romans 2:15) In fact, a book published by the American Psychiatric Association treats the absence of guilt feelings as societally threatening behavior. Those with defiled or deadened consciences have trouble seeing the difference between right and wrong, and that can be dangerous.—Titus 1:15, 16.

 

Second, a guilty conscience can help us avoid undesirable actions. Just as physical pain alerts us to a potential health problem, the emotional pain associated with guilt alerts us to a moral or spiritual problem that needs our attention. Once we are aware of the weakness, we are more inclined to avoid hurting ourselves, our loved ones, or others again in the future.—Matthew 7:12.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=102002169&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=10

 

As perfect beings Satan, Adam and Eve did not listen to their conscience to stop themselves going down a dark path. They must have ignored the pain from their conscience stabbing them. So, I imagine guilt will also be a part of living acceptably in the new world. But not the awful guilt we feel now, such as when we might allow legitimate remorse over a mistake or wrong to intensify into feelings of shame and end up punishing ourselves unnecessarily. That negative feeling “will not be called to mind, nor will they come up into the heart“ - Is 65:17.

[Pabo]

On 6/17/2025 at 2:40 PM, Tortuga said:

They are in for a big surprise..

 

I don't have as much pain sense in my left hand due to an injury in my youth, where the main nerve of my left elbow was accidentally severed during a operation. I had to retrain myself to use my fingers after the operation, but I had noticed I had lost most of the senses for extreme heat, cold and pain, thus when I put my hand into hot water, very cold water I react as much, but it only feels warm or cool. As for pain, I can cut myself, hit it with a hammer, crush it etc, I don't react. However, I still can feel other senses like textures such as rough, smooth, high/lows ridges etc.

 

The doctors at the time (mid-80's) I had my issues couldn't work out why I could have some sense of feeling, but not others. Many years later, I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about the nervous system is your body, and they have found that there are many different nerves receptors and connection paths for each of the types of touch, and their connections are also behave differently to each other. It is not just one cable which then has off branches from the main line, but their are multiple paths which nerve receptors can send information to the brain which doesn't require using the "main line".

 

So I will have to make sure I don't hit me left hand with a hammer anymore in the new system.  

 

But I will be able to go back full-time to using my left hand in using a hammer again.

[Amygdala]

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