Why Doctors got it wrong with Fat.

[Greg Dent]

There was a great article in Clean Eating Magazine. My wife has a subscription. It was talking about how the medical community got the facts around fat wrong for over 3 decades. 

 

http://www.cleaneatingmag.com/current-issue/

 

[Greg Dent]

Oh good it worked. If you check the article out it would help understand what we have been told by doctors is wrong. Starting with why we should be using butter and scrap vegetable oil.

 

You can't read the whole article there I only copied a picture. Take a look at it if you see it in the store or see if you can get an E version off the site.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Greg Dent

[Ahuvah]

Fat can  help absorb toxins and helps food pass through your system quickly and cleaner.

[hatcheckgirl]

Professor David Haslam, chair of the National Obesity Forum, said: “The assumption has been made that increased fat in the bloodstream is caused by increased saturated fat in the diet, whereas modern evidence is proving that refined carbohydrates and sugar in particular are actually the culprits.”

 

From an article back in October 2013 http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/438600/Eating-fat-is-good-for-you-Doctors-change-their-minds-after-40-years

 

Yep, it's the sugar and refined carbs, not the fat.  But it's best to discuss this with your doc before throwing out your medications, since every individual has their own circumstances. 

[Ahuvah]

Yes refined sugar is our enemy. Like Coca cola and Mountain Dew - just saying.

[Joey]

Yikes! Thems fightin' words on this forum Mandi

Edited February 17, 2015 by Harmony

[Ahuvah]

I know. lol

[Witness1970]

When I was working I used to drink a lot of carbonated beverages.  I retired and stopped.  I retired in 2010.  I have probably drank fewer than 6 carbonated beverages per year since then.  Probably less than 3 in 2013.  I do not miss them at all.  I have told people they should put all of those sugary beverages under the Alcoholic Beverage Control board and not let anyone under the age of 18 drink one.  After the age of 18 if they want to ruin their health it is hard to stop them.

[Luezette]

Hey Mandi! More fighting words:

Little Debbie, Drakes, Hostess, Hershey, Turkey Hill, etc. Ooo lalaaaaa, lol

[Ahuvah]

The only word I know from those is Hershey haha.

[Old Al]

When I was working I used to drink a lot of carbonated beverages.  I retired and stopped.  I retired in 2010.  I have probably drank fewer than 6 carbonated beverages per year since then.  Probably less than 3 in 2013.  I do not miss them at all.  I have told people they should put all of those sugary beverages under the Alcoholic Beverage Control board and not let anyone under the age of 18 drink one.  After the age of 18 if they want to ruin their health it is hard to stop them.

Br. Randall, people everywhere in the states drink a lot of this stuff, but when I moved from the N.E. to rural Tn. I could not believe how this stuff was stacked to the ceiling in stores and a vending machine or two or three at every store and public building ! Little Debbie and Coke for breakfast and lunch and in the baby bottle! Drinking alcohol is largely looked down upon but I can not believe how addicted people are to soft drinks. Even some brothers and sisters can't get through the day w/o them and tell you they just can't give them up.

Now I am not leaving myself out, when I worked in construction I just couldn't keep my truck from going into convenience stores for cakes, M&M's etc frequently. I never have had high cholesterol but my trigs were sky high. When I went on low carb high protein diet they came down to normal. That's when I learned the truth about what Gregory posted.

Not that it is a scientific statement, but it always struck me as odd that the Bible spoke of fat and well oiled dishes as prosperity and that the fat of sacrifices was the choicest part reserved for Jehovah. We have a large Seventh Day Adventist community here who shun meat, I've always wanted to ask them did Jehovah get it wrong when he gave it to Noah ? I was always pretty convinced instinctively that the fat thing was skewed in the medical community.

Anyway, Tennessee is one of the unhealthiest and most obese states, I blame it on corn syrup.

I have learned to be much more moderate ( not abstinent )    when it comes to refined carbs of any kind. I too have benefited greatly.

[Luezette]

I'm like you Al, or at least I'm trying as far as sweets are concerned such as cakes and candy. But with sodas I can definitely do without. Water is my favorite beverage.

Meat. I don't buy the stuff. I may eat a bit at a gathering, lunch at Bethel, that sort of thing, and how often does that happen? Not much. I don't miss meat at all, so I guess some folks would call that being a somewhat semi vegetarian. Yes, I love veggies, basmati rice, red ppotatoes, walnuts, grain including oats, wheat, wheat germ, flax seed and freshly grounded honey roasted peanut butter, salmon, albacore tuna. Boring huh? Lol.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Luezette

[Luezette]

Oh, and did i mention yogurt and soy milk? Lots of it!! And fruits especially bananas for the potassium, oranges for the vitamin C, and berries for the antioxidants.

And just a side note about soy. It's good for menopause for hot flashes as it either eliminates them or lessens them.

Soy is also good for the prostate as in prostate cancer.

Do the research.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Luezette

[Old Al]

Noyt boring at all ! Actually, I think i could do fine w/o meat.Fact is, as time has gone on, though I do eat it I am not as enthused as I once was.

I am learning to enjoy simple foods much like you described, and when I do buy a snack food ( like out in service) , I look for something with simple ingredients.

I really have come to appreciate how much spices and seasoning have to do with making food delicious, and really enjoy them.

So, I am not really a "flag waving carnivore" if you will. I eat a lot of whole grain foods and nuts, and i too drink mostly water now.

I grew up on the typical "American" boring diet meat potatoes and boiled vegetables.

When I was introduced to ethnic foods prepared with similar simple fresh ingredients but seasoned masterfully and cooked to perfection . I was hooked.

Of course, there is nothing that is good that cheese can't make better. What a wonderful variety our heavenly father has given us, and truthfully, I enjoy animals much more alive. We look for the day when all will be back in balance with Jehovah's original purpose.

[MizPeg]

I'm like you Al, or at least I'm trying as far as sweets are concerned such as cakes and candy. But with sodas I can definitely do without. Water is my favorite beverage.

Meat. I don't buy the stuff. I may eat a bit at a gathering, lunch at Bethel, that sort of thing, and how often does that happen? Not much. I don't miss meat at all, so I guess some folks would call that being a somewhat semi vegetarian. Yes, I love veggies, basmati rice, red ppotatoes, walnuts, grain including oats, wheat, wheat germ, flax seed and freshly grounded honey roasted peanut butter, salmon, albacore tuna. Boring huh? Lol.

Not with a good supply of spices, herbs, garlic and onions.       

[Witness1970]

Br. Randall, people everywhere in the states drink a lot of this stuff, but when I moved from the N.E. to rural Tn. I could not believe how this stuff was stacked to the ceiling in stores and a vending machine or two or three at every store and public building ! Little Debbie and Coke for breakfast and lunch and in the baby bottle! Drinking alcohol is largely looked down upon but I can not believe how addicted people are to soft drinks. Even some brothers and sisters can't get through the day w/o them and tell you they just can't give them up.

Now I am not leaving myself out, when I worked in construction I just couldn't keep my truck from going into convenience stores for cakes, M&M's etc frequently. I never have had high cholesterol but my trigs were sky high. When I went on low carb high protein diet they came down to normal. That's when I learned the truth about what Gregory posted.

Not that it is a scientific statement, but it always struck me as odd that the Bible spoke of fat and well oiled dishes as prosperity and that the fat of sacrifices was the choicest part reserved for Jehovah. We have a large Seventh Day Adventist community here who shun meat, I've always wanted to ask them did Jehovah get it wrong when he gave it to Noah ? I was always pretty convinced instinctively that the fat thing was skewed in the medical community.

Anyway, Tennessee is one of the unhealthiest and most obese states, I blame it on corn syrup.

I have learned to be much more moderate ( not abstinent )    when it comes to refined carbs of any kind. I too have benefited greatly.

I would agree about the corn syrup.  The increase in obesity can be traced to the same time that high fructose corn syrup began to be used.

 

I know that the fat content in meat is part of the way that meat is "graded."  Too little fat gets a lower grade because the taste is not as good.

 

I did the low carb diet years ago.  The fat just melted away.  I was doing Atkins and I know that I had constipatioon and bad breath.  Every meal included water and I drank water between meals.  Most of the time I do not like water but while on Atkins water actually tasted good.  Whenever your body starts burning fat and has to start using ketones for energy (because glucose and glycogen stores are very low) the result seems to be bad breath.  Books I have read about fasting indicate that the cause of this is that as fat stores are burned toxins stored in the fat are removed from the body.  The toxins circulating around in your blood stream before removal cause the bad breath.  I guess on a low carb ciet sooner or later the bad breathy would stop if those stores of toxins were all removed.

 

I theorized that when your body is burning fat that it might actually lower your cholesterol and triglycerides but that is just my theory and I have no proof.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Witness1970

[Luezette]

Yes, you're right Peggy, so I buy and use all natural seasonings such as "Spike Gourmet Natural Seasoning" the one without the salt. Delicious! Sprinkle some on your food and you'll love it! Trader Joes sells green, red, and yellow bell peppers already sliced, so I use some plus chopped onions when fixing mushrooms sautéed in olive oil over rice with veggie of choice. Yummy! There are so many ways of eating healthy it's unbelievable.

Yes, I frequent both Trader Joes and Whole Foods. The only time I stop by at "regular" markets is when I need Pepperidge Farm Raisin bread, Hellmanns mayonnaise and Silk brand soy milk. Nothing beats those brands for raisin bread, mayonnaise and soy milk. But that's just my opinion.

[Luezette]

Randall, the Atkins diet sounds interesting. But must a person starve themselves in a sense on that diet?

And as far as sweetners for food is concerned, have you or anyone ever tried Agave? Delicious! Good for anything a person would normally white sugar for. Actually, it's less expensive than raw sugar, and it's from the agave plant. (umm, but you figured that right?

Edited February 25, 2015 by Luezette

[Greg Dent]

I always felt that what ever it is that Jehovah gives us is good for us. If man messes around with it its becomes garbage. So why would I eat a processed product like margarine of any kind even if it is made from olive oil? The promote all these man made spreads as being healthy and to stay away from butter. Why would I eat something with 10 ingredients I cant even pronounce verses one with 2 ingredients I know?

[Greg Dent]

Luezette My wife went on the atkins and never ate so much food. She was full all the time. The only thing I didn't agree with was they called fruit and vegetables a carb. She modified it to include more veggies and dropped a pile of weight.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Greg Dent

[Old Al]

 

I theorized that when your body is burning fat that it might actually lower your cholesterol and triglycerides but that is just my theory and I have no proof.

 

Actually there is quite a body of evidence that this is the case. I have known quite a few personally who have experienced this, as well as myself. This diet has been around for so many years, that studies have been done and contrary to the hysterical claims you still hear that it will cause all kinds of gall bladder, cholesterol etc. problems, all the evidence is to the contrary. The overall health benefits are well documented.

[well]

Randall, the Atkins diet sounds interesting. But must a person starve themselves in a sense on that diet?

The good news is...

God's Kingdom will rule the earth, lol...

Oops... I mean the good news is you can eat as much as you want in many options, but still abstaining carbs, especially at the first phase

[Old Al]

A little OT but our genetic makeup has an awful lot to do with our health and lifespan as well. Barring abusing our bodies in some of the ways described above, alcohol, drugs, tobacco etc., there is a lot of evidence that even when we do our best and live moderate lives, we are pretty much "programmed" to live how long we do. My family as well as my wife's on both sides have longevity and pretty good health, but sadly some are sickly and live a short life no matter what they do.

Whichever category we are in, we may as well enjoy the good things Jehovah gave us, in the spirit of a sound mind.

 

Greg Dent mentioned being full on the Atkins diet. That was my experience, and something I noticed is that it "pushed my reset button" as far as sweets are concerned I still enjoy them and try to be moderate, but the low carb high protein diet seemed to have taken away the intense sugar craving I had for all my life ! Much easier to control now with just will power.

 

Enjoying a small wedge of Brie cheese as I type this. I could eat the whole wheel, but just let myself have a little occasionally as a treat. and what a treat it is !

[Witness1970]

Randall, the Atkins diet sounds interesting. But must a person starve themselves in a sense on that diet?

And as far as sweetners for food is concerned, have you or anyone ever tried Agave? Delicious! Good for anything a person would normally white sugar for. Actually, it's less expensive than raw sugar, and it's from the agave plant. (umm, but you figured that right?

Actually there is no starving on Atkins.  You can eat all you want as long as you limit the carbs and avoid starches.  You can eat pork rinds if you wish.  You can eat as much meat as you wish.  You can eat as much fat as you want also.  I was never hungry on the diet.  I just ate meals on a regular basis.  You do get thirsty and the water tastes good which is very unusual for me.  Water usually does not taste good to me.  I lost close to a pound each day without ever being hungry and no exercising.  I was too busy working to ever exercise anyway.

 

I have used Agave.  It is like Honey but the bees just go to the agave plant to get what it takes to make it.  Jehovah created the bees so that they will keep going back to the same kind of plants to cross-pollinate the plants.  Apparently these bees only have the agave plants to go to.

 

Another thing on Atkins is no artificial sweeteners,  Artificial sweeteners cause people to stop losing weight.  Avoid sugar but splenda works well with weight loss.  And splenda has never been found to have the bad effects of artificial sweeteners.  Stevia is not mentioned in the Atkins books that I read.  Stevia is supposedly natural being made from the Stevia plant but it has a flavor that I really do not like.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Witness1970

[Witness1970]

Actually there is quite a body of evidence that this is the case. I have known quite a few personally who have experienced this, as well as myself. This diet has been around for so many years, that studies have been done and contrary to the hysterical claims you still hear that it will cause all kinds of gall bladder, cholesterol etc. problems, all the evidence is to the contrary. The overall health benefits are well documented.

I read the Atkins Diet book but I never got into reading about the research. I just figured that the body was burning fat and, since cholesterol and triglycerides were also forms of fat that some of it would also be burned up for energy. More of an assumption on my part I guess.