Vegan 'cheez' and "faux meat crumble"

[Vanoy2011]

Hello everyone!

I was wondering if anyone had a very good brand of vegan fake cheese and vegan faux meat that they find very appetizing? I've been doing this vegan meal plan for 1 1/2 and just Love it!

How about it?

[rocket]

Now who says Paul didn't have a sense of humor? "One man has faith to eat everything, but the man who is weak eats only vegetables."__Romans 14:2 (grossly taken out of context)

I enjoy my see food diet, none of that fake stuff for me. I see it, I eat it.

[Alexa]

I think replace meat with fish meat... My classmate use to sell those vegan meat in secular school, I offered it to my aunt who replaces meat with tofu or fish.. the cheese, is the same the tomato sauce is the same

[Vanoy2011]

Now who says Paul didn't have a sense of humor? "One man has faith to eat everything, but the man who is weak eats only vegetables."__Romans 14:2 (grossly taken out of context)

I enjoy my see food diet, none of that fake stuff for me. I see it, I eat it.

Haha cute!

But what does the next verse say in Romans?

3 Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed him.

Adam and Eve were the original vegans if you think about it!! The early ancient Israelites had a plant based diet thousands of years ago; before Jehovah allowed them to eat meat..

[trottigy]

1 hour ago, Vanoy2011 said:

Haha cute!

But what does the next verse say in Romans?

3 Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed him.

Adam and Eve were the original vegans if you think about it!! The early ancient Israelites had a plant based diet thousands of years ago; before Jehovah allowed them to eat meat..

Just a note: Abraham who had a son named Isaac, who had a son named Jacob - whose name was later changed to Israel - were born WAY AFTER Noah. Noah is who Jehovah gave the gift of eating meat to. I gift I know I don't look at  as being bad

 

It would not be correct to say, "The early ancient Israelites had a plant based diet thousands of years ago; before Jehovah allowed them to eat meat.." For ever since there were "Israelites" they ate meat. They would have NEVER thought to do otherwise.

 

In fact, Jehovah REQUIRED the Israelites to eat meat by having the eating of meat established in the Law Covenant - and EVEN before that - with the eating of lamb a requirement of the Passover (done BEFORE) the law. Don't you just love our God and His wonderful gifts. I do  

Edited April 9, 2016 by trottigy

[Vanoy2011]

1 hour ago, trottigy said:

Just a note: Abraham who had a son named Isaac, who had a son named Jacob - whose name was later changed to Israel - were born WAY AFTER Noah. Noah is who Jehovah gave the gift of eating meat to. I gift I know I don't look at  as being bad

 

It would not be correct to say, "The early ancient Israelites had a plant based diet thousands of years ago; before Jehovah allowed them to eat meat.." For ever since there were "Israelites" they ate meat. They would have NEVER thought to do otherwise.

In fact, Jehovah REQUIRED the Israelites to eat meat by having the eating of meat established in the Law Covenant - and EVEN before that - with the eating of lamb a requirement of the Passover (done BEFORE) the law. Don't you just love our God and His wonderful gifts. I do  

 

 

You are correct brother! I spoke too quickly without thinking! I also found this question from readers  from our watchtower library that gave me a time table and some more clarification on the issue on use of animals since Adam and Eve. See below:

 

w54 5/1 Question from Readers

 

● Some think it is wrong to hunt and fish, while others see no wrong in such pursuits. Some who think hunting permissible do contend, however, that the game should be thoroughly bled immediately after it is shot to avoid violating the prohibition of eating blood. This bleeding is not generally done. What is the Scriptural view concerning these matters?—A. A., United States.
We must neither condemn what Jehovah approves nor approve what Jehovah condemns. The Bible speaks of “unreasoning animals born naturally to be caught and destroyed.” Some argue this applies only after the Noachian flood. But it was true in Eden, when “Jehovah God proceeded to make long garments of skin for Adam and for his wife and to clothe them.” Also, long before the flood Abel was approved for offering an animal sacrifice, whereas disapproved Cain did not engage in killing animals for sacrifice but offered bloodless field products.—2 Pet. 2:12; Gen. 3:21; 4:3-5, NW.
After the Flood man was permitted to kill animals for various reasons. The Mosaic law required the slaughter of different kinds for sacrifice, and animal skins or leather were properly used for not only garments but also such things as shoes, belts, containers, writing material and tabernacle parts and accessories. (Lev. 1:5, 10, 14; 13:59; Ezek. 16:10; Mark 6:9; 2 Ki. 1:8; Matt. 3:4; 9:17, NW; 2 Tim. 4:13; Ex. 26:14; Num. 4:6-14) If an animal killed a person it was to die: “In case an ox should gore a man or a woman and that one actually dies, the ox is to be stoned without fail.” If animals were destructive of man’s property or crops they could be caught and destroyed: “Catch for us the foxes, the little foxes, that are despoiling the vineyards, since our vineyards are in bloom.”—Ex. 21:28, NW; Cant. 2:15, AT.
Animals may also be used for food, with the exception of the blood: “Every creeping animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat.” During the wilderness sojourn Israelites wanting to eat animals suitable for sacrifice had to slay them at the tabernacle so the priest could sprinkle the blood upon Jehovah’s altar. When they had settled in the Promised Land and it would have been too great a hardship to bring animals suitable for sacrifice to the temple at Jerusalem, they could slaughter the animals at home and pour the blood out on the ground and cover it with dust. This was the same way the blood of wild game, such as the gazelle and the stag, was to be disposed of. (Gen. 9:3, 4; Lev. 17:3-6; Deut. 12:15, 16, 20-24, NW) Hunting for food was permitted, but the hunter was warned to bleed his game: “As for any man of the sons of Israel or some temporary resident who is residing for a while in your midst who in hunting catches a wild beast or a fowl that may be eaten, he must in that case pour its blood out and cover it with dust. For the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood by the soul in it. Consequently I said to the sons of Israel, ‘You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh, because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.’”—Lev. 17:13, 14, NW.
If the hunter failed to bleed his game properly he was put to death, or “cut off.” To eat unbled game not only was prohibited to Israelites under the Law, but also is forbidden for Christians: “Keep yourselves free from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things killed without draining their blood and from fornication.” (Acts 15:29; 21:25, NW) Immediately following the instruction to hunters to bleed their game and that to eat blood will mean their death, we read: “As for any soul that eats a dead body or something torn by a wild beast, whether a native or a temporary resident, he must in that case wash his garments and bathe in water and be unclean until the evening. Then he must be clean. But if he will not wash them and will not bathe his flesh, then he must answer for his iniquity.” (Lev. 17:15, 16, NW) A body that dies of itself or of wounds inflicted by another animal would not be properly drained of blood, and hence was not to be eaten. Penalty for deliberate violation of the commandment to eat no blood is death, but in the last-mentioned case guilt could be erased by a ceremony of purification, which indicates it was a case where the commandment was violated innocently, unknowingly, as might happen when someone purchased or bartered for meat, or when eating as a guest of someone else. Now, as in Israel’s day, one who violates the command concerning blood accidentally, without knowing it, not doing so deliberately, can gain forgiveness by repentance and avoiding a recurrence of the trespass.
Basing our position on the Bible, we shall have a balanced view, neither fanatically opposing all killing of animals, nor wantonly hunting them for sport. Jesus ate meat, both fish and lamb. He directed a successful fishing operation using a net, and also instructed that a fish be caught with a hook. (Luke 24:42, 43; Ex. 12:3, 8; Matt. 26:17-21; Luke 5:4-6; Matt. 17:27) Apparently fish required no special attention in bleeding, since there is no instruction concerning them; but the requirements relative to game birds and animals are specific and must be followed by theocratic hunters seeking to vary their meat diet with some wild game. Bullet wounds of today, like arrow wounds or fang-and-claw wounds from beasts of prey during the time of application of the Mosaic law, seldom effect adequate drainage of blood. Hence the hunter must make it complete by using his knife, whether it spoils a trophy or not.
 

[trottigy]

Wow! 1954. That was a long time ago, eh. 

[trottigy]

15 hours ago, Vanoy2011 said:

Hello everyone!

I was wondering if anyone had a very good brand of vegan fake cheese and vegan faux meat that they find very appetizing? I've been doing this vegan meal plan for 1 1/2 and just Love it!

How about it?

I don't know of any good "fake cheese" or "faux meat". 

[Vanoy2011]

Our 1st parents, Adam and Eve were the original "vegans" according to the scriptures! I've also posted another questions from readers article from our watchtower library as well:

 

w61 12/15

● When, in Genesis 1:30, God says: “To every wild beast of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving upon the earth in which there is life as a soul I have given all green vegetation for food,” are we to understand that this absolutely excludes the idea that any animals ate meat at that time or before that? And on this basis are we to conclude that all animals will be vegetarian in the new world? How, then, can we account for the meat-eating birds, insects, reptiles and other animals with their poisonous fangs, hunting prowess, and so forth, apparently given them at creation and admirably equipping them as meat eaters?
Genesis 1:30, as just quoted, does not say that God had given “all green vegetation for food” to the wild beasts, the flying creatures and everything moving upon the earth in addition to what meat or flesh they could catch by hunting. The verse just ahead tells us that God said to Adam and Eve: “Here I have given to you all vegetation bearing seed which is on the surface of the whole earth and every tree on which there is the fruit of a tree bearing seed. To you let it serve as food.” (Gen. 1:29) We do not understand this to mean that Adam and Eve could eat animals that lived on grass and other vegetation, and that in eating such animals minus their blood Adam and Eve were eating vegetation indirectly, inasmuch as, to begin with, the animals ate the vegetation and then Adam and Eve ate the animals that lived on such vegetation to convert it into flesh. No! But it is evident that God set the perfect man and woman on a vegetarian diet, without suggesting even dairy products.
First after the flood God specified in so many words that Noah and his family and their descendants could eat bloodless meat or flesh. This indicates that God-fearing men like Abel, Enoch and Noah and his family had not lived on animal and bird flesh prior to the flood. What the ungodly men lived on till the flood we do not know. Abel, Enoch and Noah and his family did not reason in a roundabout manner and violate the Edenic dietary law that God stated to Adam and Eve in Eden, in Genesis 1:29, 30.
Of course, the Bible says a lot about zoology, but the Bible is no exhaustive treatise on all zoological matters. It therefore leaves in a lower or secondary position the discussing of details about the lower animal creation. It fixes first attention on Jehovah’s superior earthly creature, man, and specializes on that. Hence the facts about wild beasts, domestic beasts, flying creatures and insects are spoken of only incidentally, or in illustrations.
So, if the Bible itself does not give any answer to these questions about those creatures lower than man, it does not mean that there is no answer to the questions that is consistent with the Bible. It simply means that we are not to preoccupy ourselves with such questions. One big fact we must remember: that we humans are living and all these birds, insects and other animals are living in a system of things that has obtained since Jehovah God legalized man’s eating animal flesh minus its blood. Accordingly, if man has been eating animal flesh and insects for four thousand three hundred years and has teeth that can be adapted to eating such solid food as flesh, it is not strange that birds, insects and other animals should be also living on flesh that they hunt for and catch.
As to the preflood situation on the diet of man and animals, we may take the situation in Noah’s ark as an illustration. Under God’s instructions Noah and his family were to take into the ark wild beasts, domestic animals, flying creatures and birds, two each (male and female) of the unclean kind, and seven each of the clean kind. Besides this, Noah was to take into the ark every sort of food that is eaten to “serve as food for you and for them.” (Gen. 6:19-22) Now Noah had no deepfreeze unit nor any refrigeration installation to preserve processed flesh foods in the ark. The seven sheep, seven bulls and cows, seven goats, two horses, two pigs, and so forth, that Noah took into the ark would hardly have been enough flesh food for the two lions, two tigers and two of the other wild flesh-eating beasts of today to live on in the ark during the flood. Noah was not instructed to carry on a slaughterhouse in the ark to feed the wild beasts with flesh foods. Nor was he told to enmesh tremendous quantities of flying or creeping insects to provide fresh food for the creatures today devouring insects.
Noah came out of the ark the following year with not less wild beasts, domestic animals, flying and creeping creatures and birds than he took into the ark. It is possible that he had more when he came out, due to the breeding of these lower creatures. Well, then, on what did every living thing in the ark live during those twelve lunar months and ten days, or one full solar year, shut up inside the ark? Certainly not on flesh, nor on one another.
All those creatures, human and subhuman, were able to live without flesh for a whole year inside the ark. Why could not every one of those living creatures live without flesh during 1,656 years prior to the Flood, or back to the time when God specified to Adam and Eve in Eden what he had given to earthly creatures as food? And if they could subsist that way during the first 1,656 years of man’s existence, why can they not return to that way of life and keep living that way during the thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ and then for eternity? During his millennial reign Jesus Christ as King will have control over animal, bird, insect and fish life as well as over human life. He will regulate it according to God’s will and for the good of all creature life on earth. So we should not think only of the post-Flood side of the question and leave out of consideration the pre-Flood side of the question as if it had no bearing. Let us take the Bible position on the subject and not over-occupy ourselves with merely incidental matters to the extent of wasting time, thought and peace of heart and possibly stumbling ourselves into the camp of the godless evolutionists.
 

[Tortuga]

Is this going to become another 'meat' thread?

Hold on...let me get my bacon flavored popcorn so I can enjoy the show..

[Vanoy2011]

Is this going to become another 'meat' thread?

Hold on...let me get my bacon flavored popcorn so I can enjoy the show..

Hahaha

[Omoyeme]

Isn't faux meat called seitan?   ---> insert joke!

[Tortuga]

19 minutes ago, Omo_Yeme said:

Isn't faux meat called seitan?   ---> insert joke!

unless you get it gluten free...

[MizPeg]

1. I just finished reading, In Defense of Food, by Michael Pollan.  Very "telling' words about how the food industry is managing our health...........

[vern]

Theirs some fake cheeses out thier that's "vegan'  but they are highly processed foods.....  just being vegan will not mean its good for you as Twinkies are vegan aswell.

Even though Isrealites ate meat they also realized the value of moderation as the proverb does say do not be with gluttonous eaters of---------- wait for it----------------  meat!!!!!!   before you say that was talking about gluttony it used meat instead of a generic food.  so just as alcohol is not a sin to drink; to much is.. same with meat.  its well known it has an impact on health if not in moderation.

as to how to view it in the congregation its a personal choice and should be respected in peace and unity.(until we go back to vegan diets in the new system------ sorry had to say it........of course thats pure speculation at this point......)