Soviet Communism is Christian - Putin

[pnutts]

Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed that Soviet communist ideology was similar to Christianity and rooted in Biblical basics and compared Vladimir Lenin to a saint. http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/16/putin-says-communist-ideology-is-christian-lenin-is-like-a-church-saint/

[Brandon]

well this is unfortunate and sad. but somehow doesn't surprise me at all, from him.

 

I mean I understand the communism part, he's not the first to suggest the early Christian lifestyle leaned much more toward communal/shared resources compared to the individualized lifestyles today--even though it wasn't full on communist-- but how does marxism and atheism (from the Soviet era) fit in with Christianity?!

Edited January 17, 2018 by Brandon

[pnutts]

He is paving the way for official communism masquerading as Christianity to come back to Russia. Wait- isn't that what is happening now.

Putin does make a show of going to church.

[Brandon]

5 hours ago, pnutts said:

official communism

what do you mean by "official communism" - like china?

[tekmantwo]

10 hours ago, pnutts said:

 

Putin does make a show of going to church.

 

The ol' puppet master, he thinks he's something, showing people what he thinks they want to see, tickling some ears as he goes..

 

In a number of ways I respect him, or, at least, his abilities. That might not be, probably isn't, the right way to say that but I don't have better words right now.  I don't condone his actions but he is an interesting person to watch. He is a very intelligent man and puts on a very complicated bit of theater. 

 

He had a lot of training in a lot of ways, mentally and physically. And, I suppose,  a degree of some sort in Political Intrigue/Theater Arts.(P.I.T.A.)

 

He was presented as a Major in the KGB, has been in the political arena (circus?) for many years, has no doubt done some fairly rough things. And he's still alive.  A lot of his opponents are not.

 

There are some things that he alludes to, in those articles, that are easy to follow. His comparison of Lenins tomb to the Basilica is a nice bit of sarcasm,  his blaming Lenin for the eventual collapse of the U.S.S.R. is curious,  I wonder where all that's headed...?

 

I have long felt, and tried to explain to some friends at times, that socialism does resemble Christianity, in a twisted sort of way, that there are elements of both that cross back and forth.

I usually get funny looks.

 

I  try to make the point that the thought or concept of 'all for one', 'all are equals', 'everyone has what he needs' bla bla, yada yada, sounds like a sweet plan, right? 

The problem is when you have man ruling man and some pigs are more equal than other pigs.

Then socialism turns into communism and that ain't no good. 

 

It just demonstrates the need for the incoming Theocracy very ....um, ..vividly?  It can certainly be garish at times. It's fascinating watching the wreck of this system crashing down. I sure hope I'm around for the Final Act....

 

[tekmantwo]

11 hours ago, pnutts said:

He is paving the way for official communism masquerading as Christianity to come back to Russia. 

 

5 hours ago, Brandon said:

what do you mean by "official communism" - like china?

Not trying to speak for Brother Pnutts but you can check Russian history and see where communism is rolled out as some type of religion,  'the opium of the masses' I think it was called.  

 

Oh, wait, .....doesn't opium cloud minds?...

[hatcheckgirl]

1 hour ago, tekmantwo said:

I have long felt, and tried to explain to some friends at times, that socialism does resemble Christianity, in a twisted sort of way, that there are elements of both that cross back and forth.

I usually get funny looks.

 

I know before the truth the idea of communism appealed to me, the basic concept of shared wealth etc. I loved learning about Russian history at school, (and that awful Boney M song didn’t help). But learning the truth supplanted the very inferior ideals of communism. I remember witnessing to communists who had come to my door back when I was still in high school, and having a lively conversation on the pitfalls of communism compared to the equality that the Theocracy under God’s kingdom offered. They had no comeback, basically because the theory of communism can’t be translated into practice, as the USSR and China showed. It was just another form of totalitarianism.

 

But have you noticed how quickly humans forget the awfulness of past rulership, and long for the “leeks and garlic from Egypt “? Putin will use this to his advantage, and by controlling the church as well he dictates the propaganda that sucks them in and keeps them in line.

[tekmantwo]

32 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

 

But have you noticed how quickly humans forget the awfulness of past rulership, and long for the “leeks and garlic from Egypt “? Putin will use this to his advantage, and by controlling the church as well he dictates the propaganda that sucks them in and keeps them in line.

 

Well said.

 

I've read that the 'avg Boris in the street' really admires and respects him, it's said that they like him as a tough guy, they like how he wants to steer them back to a Soviet style of living, where people will respect them, they all enjoy feeling the thug and that's how he affects them...

[hatcheckgirl]

Didn't the Germans feel this too when they supported Hitler through democratic means (ironically) to become the despotic dictator that he became?  Nothing new under the sun.  Sometimes they get to the top not by force, but by the will of weak-minded people who gulp down whatever tripe their leaders dish out.

[bohemian]

1 hour ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Didn't the Germans feel this too when they supported Hitler through democratic means (ironically) to become the despotic dictator that he became?  Nothing new under the sun.  Sometimes they get to the top not by force, but by the will of weak-minded people who gulp down whatever tripe their leaders dish out.

 

And, of course, not limited to Russia.  An interesting BBC report of comparisons of the rhetoric by The US president, the Philippines' leader, Singapore, Venezuela regarding 'fake news' and referring to the free press as 'enemies of the people', echoing the words of Joseph Stalin.  The Senator (Flake) made interesting comments about despotism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-42724000/senator-flake-trump-using-stalin-s-words-to-attack-media

 

The world's political system is a mess, but not for much longer. A stable government is imminent!

[pnutts]

A while ago a comment was made that no matter who their leader is, people will support them along party lines.

Comment was made referring even if Hitler was head of a US party.

[tekmantwo]

8 hours ago, pnutts said:

A while ago a comment was made that no matter who their leader is, people will support them along party lines.

Comment was made referring even if Hitler was head of a US party.

I could see that happening. .

 

Hitler rode the wave of populism all the way to the top, while he and his handlers did some nasty backroom deals.. He relied on the axiom that Jews were evil, originally found in Luther's writings. Hitler also encouraged the people to feel chafed(shades of Marxism) under the limits that were imposed on them, post WW1...

 

Apply those points to today, folks feel bad living with the results of the decisions they made and they want to blame someone other than themselves. All someone has to do is encourage that feeling a bit and all of a sudden there are tens of thousands of people on his side...then you get a mob mentality boiling and you wind up with a lot of brown shirts and long knives...

 

 

[Tortuga]

3 hours ago, tekmantwo said:

Hitler rode the wave of populism all the way to the top

 

Wasn't his party slogan

"Make Germany Great Again" ?

 

[Tortuga]

19 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

 

Wasn't his party slogan

"Make Germany Great Again" ?

 

Wow, I was just kidding. I didn't know some people claimed this was real.

https://www.snopes.com/make-germany-great-again/

 

 

[tekmantwo]

3 hours ago, Tortuga said:

 

Wow, I was just kidding. I didn't know some people claimed this was real.

https://www.snopes.com/make-germany-great-again/

 

 

Yeah,  after the Weimar .gov the people of Germany wanted to clean up the nation,  it wasn't hard for the Nazi party to rally support by using the concept of 'great again'...