Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[JennyM]

44 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

Russia’s Putin to visit North Korea soon, state media says

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/22/asia/putin-to-visit-north-korea-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Last Tuesday, North Korean Foreign Minister Choe Son Hui met Putin and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Moscow to discuss issues regarding the Korean Peninsula, Northeast Asia and international peace and security, according to TASS.

Any day now!

[Sweet Tooth]

9 minutes ago, Sofia said:

KOTN = Russia + China + Iran + North Korea 

Let us not forget BRICS as well.. could be. 

[Richie]

14 minutes ago, JennyM said:

How will these pushing last?

Carl Sagan once said, "Nobody can save us from this planet earth." 

 

Pushing will last might be prior or even in times of tribulation. Please refer to Dan. 11:45b to 12:1. Originally, these verses had no chapters and verses and sound they are interrelated to each other. 

[Paulo]

1 hour ago, Sweet Tooth said:

Let us not forget BRICS as well.. could be. 

Like the the Libyans and the Ethiopians, will follow him but are not him.

[Paulo]

1 hour ago, Sofia said:

KOTN = Russia + China + Iran + North Korea

 

I can see a reference to China in Daniel, but I could never see a reference to North Korea.

[JennyM]

2 hours ago, Richie said:

Pushing will last might be prior or even in times of tribulation. Please refer to Dan. 11:45b to 12:1. Originally, these verses had no chapters and verses and sound they are interrelated to each other. 

Yea. Hopefully this will be the last KOTN and KOTS. I feel like life is more exhausting these days. 

Deal with traumas, making a living and people just dont care with one another, and apathetic to spiritual things. 

[Richie]

11 minutes ago, JennyM said:

Yea. Hopefully this will be the last KOTN and KOTS. I feel like life is more exhausting these days. 

Deal with traumas, making a living and people just dont care with one another, and apathetic to spiritual things. 

I think Psalm 92:7 will give us assurance how close we are:

"When the wicked sprout like weeds And all the wrongdoers flourish, It is that they may be annihilated forever". 

[Ysaias]

A moment of historic danger: It is still 90 seconds to midnight

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/

 

Broken clock! How come that it didn't move a second closer in a whole year?

The good thing is that Jehovah's clock don't run on that kind of batteries.

 

[Ysaias]

1 hour ago, Ysaias said:

A moment of historic danger: It is still 90 seconds to midnight

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/

 

Broken clock! How come that it didn't move a second closer in a whole year?

The good thing is that Jehovah's clock don't run on that kind of batteries.

 

 

The last paragraph of this Bulletin is quite interesting. Talking about the 5 global threats looming over the Globe, it highlights that even initial talks from the world's 3 main players would sent a positive message. 

The world may break into an ovation (and us, too, in standing ovation, but not for them).

How to turn back the Clock

Everyone on Earth has an interest in reducing the likelihood of global catastrophe from nuclear weapons, climate change, advances in the life sciences, disruptive technologies, and the widespread corruption of the world’s information ecosystem. These threats, singularly and as they interact, are of such a character and magnitude that no one nation or leader can bring them under control. That is the task of leaders and nations working together in the shared belief that common threats demand common action. As the first step, and despite their profound disagreements, three of the world’s leading powers—the United States, China, and Russia—should commence serious dialogue about each of the global threats outlined here. At the highest levels, these three countries need to take responsibility for the existential danger the world now faces. They have the capacity to pull the world back from the brink of catastrophe. They should do so, with clarity and courage, and without delay.

It’s 90 seconds to midnight.

[Ysaias]

Soooo, just the intention from these 3 powers to sit and chat could suffice for the world to scream "P&S".

 

And then, Jehovah will ask Jesus to kick off the first domino.

[trottigy]

1 hour ago, Ysaias said:

A moment of historic danger: It is still 90 seconds to midnight

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/

 

Broken clock! How come that it didn't move a second closer in a whole year?

The good thing is that Jehovah's clock don't run on that kind of batteries.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Ysaias said:

 

The last paragraph of this Bulletin is quite interesting. 

 At the highest levels, these three countries need to take responsibility for the existential danger the world now faces. They have the capacity to pull the world back from the brink of catastrophe. They should do so, with clarity and courage, and without delay.

It’s 90 seconds to midnight.

 

I cannot imagine any one of those countries, let alone all three (USA, Russia and China), taking responsibility. 

[Sofia]

5 hours ago, Paulo said:

Like the the Libyans and the Ethiopians, will follow him but are not him.

Fun you mention it

Wagner group intwinned with Russia have a great influence in these African areas… so I dare to say that these territories right now show their support to the KOTN.

 

its interesting that only in the time of the end ( Daniel 11:40 onwards) we read names of lands. During all verses before lands are not mentioned 

I wonder why 🤔

 

This time of the end is the time of the end of KOTN (verse 45)

the last KOTN (Russian federation) started its independence in 1990.

the previous KOTN ( Soviet Union) collapsed in 1991 due this fact.

Edited January 23 by Sofia

[Leonard Match Valid]

I don't know if you've already talked about this theory, but I just heard it

"By the way, the UN is nothing more than a copy of the League of Nations, a body created at the end of the First World War with the same purpose as the UN: to maintain peace and security in the world. But what happened to the League? It was dissolved with the outbreak of the Second World War. This shows that there is no basis for seriousness in this body. The reasons that led to the dissolution of the League of Nations in 1939 are the same ones that could lead to the extinction of the UN at any moment, because, just like the League, which failed to fulfill the purpose for which it was created, the UN is repeating the same mistake. The League was dissolved because the private interests of powerful nations took precedence over it. In the same way, the UN seems to act as a fulfillment of the purpose of this or that country, which suggests that if the interests of those countries that control the UN are compromised or threatened, it can easily be dissolved and then created again under another name, until certain purposes and interests are achieved.

end of quote

Use of atomic bombs either by the US or Russia and dissolution of the UN under another name...


 

[Leonard Match Valid]

The other speculation is that, faced with the threats and fear of a third and destructive world war, nations will dissolve the UN and create a new world body as a symbol of peace and security, a political format where there will be no flags, a new world order where nations will be one. Whether this will happen, only time will tell.

 

Could it be that the prophecy of Revelation 17:11 hides the 9th king, perhaps another UN?

 

 

Edited January 23 by Leonard Match Valid

[Doug]

3 hours ago, Ysaias said:

How to turn back the Clock

Everyone on Earth has an interest in reducing the likelihood of global catastrophe from nuclear weapons, climate change, advances in the life sciences, disruptive technologies, and the widespread corruption of the world’s information ecosystem. These threats, singularly and as they interact, are of such a character and magnitude that no one nation or leader can bring them under control. That is the task of leaders and nations working together in the shared belief that common threats demand common action. As the first step, and despite their profound disagreements, three of the world’s leading powers—the United States, China, and Russia—should commence serious dialogue about each of the global threats outlined here. At the highest levels, these three countries need to take responsibility for the existential danger the world now faces. They have the capacity to pull the world back from the brink of catastrophe. They should do so, with clarity and courage, and without delay.

 

 

This statement sounds a lot like an AI creation.

Including "advances in the life sciences" on the list of existential global problems seems out of place too.

[Dhanyel]

Now

Turkish parliament approves Sweden’s NATO membership bid

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/23/europe/turkey-vote-sweden-nato-intl/index.html

[Dustparticle]

2 hours ago, Leonard Match Valid said:

The other speculation is that, faced with the threats and fear of a third and destructive world war, nations will dissolve the UN and create a new world body as a symbol of peace and security, a political format where there will be no flags, a new world order where nations will be one. Whether this will happen, only time will tell.

 

Could it be that the prophecy of Revelation 17:11 hides the 9th king, perhaps another UN?

 

 

Jehovah is not hiding anything. He tells us what we need to know. No 9th king.

[LeolaRootStew]

3 hours ago, Leonard Match Valid said:

I don't know if you've already talked about this theory, but I just heard it

"By the way, the UN is nothing more than a copy of the League of Nations, a body created at the end of the First World War with the same purpose as the UN: to maintain peace and security in the world. But what happened to the League? It was dissolved with the outbreak of the Second World War. This shows that there is no basis for seriousness in this body. The reasons that led to the dissolution of the League of Nations in 1939 are the same ones that could lead to the extinction of the UN at any moment, because, just like the League, which failed to fulfill the purpose for which it was created, the UN is repeating the same mistake. The League was dissolved because the private interests of powerful nations took precedence over it. In the same way, the UN seems to act as a fulfillment of the purpose of this or that country, which suggests that if the interests of those countries that control the UN are compromised or threatened, it can easily be dissolved and then created again under another name, until certain purposes and interests are achieved.

end of quote

Use of atomic bombs either by the US or Russia and dissolution of the UN under another name...


 

 

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"The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction." Rev 17:8a

 

The two forms that the wild beast takes are the League of Nations that was dissolved, and the UN that comes out of that abyss. Next stop is destruction. I don't see any room for there to be another version of the UN.

[Richie]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/24/un-secretary-general-israel-rejection-palestine-two-state-solution-palestinian

 

"... 

This refusal, and the denial of the right to statehood to the Palestinian people, would indefinitely prolong a conflict that has become a major threat to global peace and security,” he said... 

He accused Netahnyahu being driven by only one goal – his own survival – and said there was a dividing line between those that want peace and those that want to deny it.

Speaker after speaker from around the globe but especially the Middle East lined up to call for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire and rapid pathway move to a two-state solution.."

 

5 UN permanent members are in unison for two-state solution along with global call for this solution (this is the only issue they are in unison) . Everybody is pressing Israel to accept this solution for decades long issue. 

Maybe this will initiate the fulfillment of 1 Thes. 5:3. What I understand from my personal digging, Ukraine-Russian war (later on NATO will encounter Russia with large shields and artillery) wlll last before Armageddon. So, UN cannot do much with Ukraine-Russian war. 

 

 

 

 

[Sofia]

5 hours ago, Leonard Match Valid said:

dissolution of the UN under another name

Does this theory suggests that todays UN might be dissolved (like the league in 1939) and shortly after be re-created with another name?

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

 

The two forms that the wild beast takes are the League of Nations that was dissolved, and the UN that comes out of that abyss. Next stop is destruction. I don't see any room for there to be another version of the UN.

Exactly. I like your arguments. Besides Daniel prophecy also mentions one disgusting thing or the image of the beast or the scarlet beast or UN.

it goes to abyss only ONCE.

so League of Nations …. Abyss… back as UN then Armageddon 

fortunatly we have the Bible to know these things in advance 😃

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, Richie said:

Maybe this will initiate the fulfillment of 1 Thes. 5:3

What every specialist say now is that Russia is no longer the major opponent of USA. Therefore US citizens and senate don’t see the urgency of funding Ukraine 

Its China. (Also part of KOTN)

Iran who is also part of KOTN and now it’s engaged in the Middle East conflict. Houthis are being used by Iran and KOTS (Anglo American power) is engaged now at Red Sea conflict (operation Poseidon Archer)

 

it seems the KOTN KOTS pushings are being shifted from Ukraine territory to Middle East 

Edited January 24 by Sofia

[Richie]

10 minutes ago, Sofia said:

What every specialist say now is that Russia is no longer the major opponent of USA. Therefore US citizens and senate don’t see the urgency of funding Ukraine 

Its China. (Also part of KOTN)

Iran who is also part of KOTN and now it’s engaged in the Middle East conflict. Houthis are being used by Iran and KOTS (Anglo American power) is engaged now at Red Sea conflict (operation Poseidon Archer)

 

it seems the KOTN KOTS pushings are being shifted from Ukraine territory to Middle East 

Hence, NATO (Mostly European Nations) will activate its campaign against the KOTN that's what we hear now. 

 

From the book of Daniel 11 last verses up to 12, no indication that KOTS will engage much with KOTN. 

 

Surprisingly, Coalition of Nations aka Gog will mass up huge military power. From his jaws where he is from the farthest North, Jehovah will turn him around from his jaws into attacking God's people in the last phase prior to Armageddon. 

[bagwell1987]

I really don't take this too seriously but the "doomsday clock" is now at 90 seconds. 

This article shows how desperate humanity has become. That alone shows me that hope is gone for most of the planet. 

https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/lifestyle/doomsday-clock-reset-how-close-humanity-is-to-destruction-revealed/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly&utm_content=News&utm_campaign=4117484

[JennyM]

1 hour ago, bagwell1987 said:

I really don't take this too seriously but the "doomsday clock" is now at 90 seconds. 

This article shows how desperate humanity has become. That alone shows me that hope is gone for most of the planet. 

https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/lifestyle/doomsday-clock-reset-how-close-humanity-is-to-destruction-revealed/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly&utm_content=News&utm_campaign=4117484

It is. Its corrupted everywhere.