Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Dhanyel]

Ukraine war dominates at G7 meeting

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-19-23/index.html

 

President Zelensky a surprise attendee as leaders agree plans to counter Russia’s ‘weaponization of energy’

[JennyM]

these were the peaceful treaties before WW1  according to chatgpt 

[JennyM]

Peace agreement before world war 2

 

[Dustparticle]

1 hour ago, JennyM said:

Peace agreement before world war 2

 

No matter what peace agreement they make even up to P&S, is nothing but used toilet paper 

[JennyM]

On 5/21/2023 at 12:55 PM, Dustparticle said:

No matter what peace agreement they make even up to P&S, is nothing but used toilet paper 

will be similar before GT. They will have peace agreement too. 

[New World Explorer]

On 5/21/2023 at 2:55 PM, Dustparticle said:

No matter what peace agreement they make even up to P&S, is nothing but used toilet paper 

Well...one day agreement, or cry of Peace and Security will fulfill Bible prophecy ... so not exactly toilet paper. 

Jehovah was serious when deciding on including that information in the Bible.

So in view of fulfilling prophecy, PS is important step. 

 

[Michael]

7 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

Well...one day agreement, or cry of Peace and Security will fulfill Bible prophecy ... so not exactly toilet paper. 

Jehovah was serious when deciding on including that information in the Bible.

So in view of fulfilling prophecy, PS is important step. 

 

I think what dustparticle means is that the P&S that gets proclaimed isn’t going to actually bring true P&S as the slave indicates but will be as worthless as used TP. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by Michael

[Percy]

On 5/20/2023 at 7:55 PM, JennyM said:

these were the peaceful treaties before WW1  according to chatgpt 

Interesting use of 'artificial intelligence' haha.

A book I am currently reading: https://archive.org/details/paris1919sixmont00macm/page/143/mode/1up?view=theater has a chapter in the middle describing the atmosphere of the 1919 Paris Peace Conference and the beginning of the Anglo-American union. Remember that France helped the US against Britain in their War of Independence and even provided the Statue of Liberty afterwards as a gift. That relationship switched after the war with Lloyd George and Woodrow Wilson forming bounds that hi-lite the truthfulness of bible prophecy.

Page 143 is the chapter start and after the war there was a lot of infighting amongst the winners as they grabbed at the losses of Germany and Austria-Hungary. Good read and reveals the world lost all decency after the Great War which led to the second world war.

Any announcement of Peace and Security will always be a facade, hiding something more sinister.

Percy

[ChrisW]

17 minutes ago, Percy said:

A book I am currently reading: https://archive.org/details/paris1919sixmont00macm/page/143/mode/1up?view=theater

Thanks for the link

[New World Explorer]

5 hours ago, Michael said:

I think what dustparticle means is that the P&S that gets proclaimed isn’t going to actually bring true P&S as the slave indicates but will be as worthless as used TP. 

Yes, we know that very well. 

[JennyM]

3 hours ago, Percy said:

Interesting use of 'artificial intelligence' haha.

A book I am currently reading: https://archive.org/details/paris1919sixmont00macm/page/143/mode/1up?view=theater has a chapter in the middle describing the atmosphere of the 1919 Paris Peace Conference and the beginning of the Anglo-American union. Remember that France helped the US against Britain in their War of Independence and even provided the Statue of Liberty afterwards as a gift. That relationship switched after the war with Lloyd George and Woodrow Wilson forming bounds that hi-lite the truthfulness of bible prophecy.

Page 143 is the chapter start and after the war there was a lot of infighting amongst the winners as they grabbed at the losses of Germany and Austria-Hungary. Good read and reveals the world lost all decency after the Great War which led to the second world war.

Any announcement of Peace and Security will always be a facade, hiding something more sinister.

Percy

Thats insane. No natural agreement. 

There will be a good reason why Jehovah will bring destruction after they cry peace and security.. As you said, its going to be sinister.. Remember world powers have thousands of MAD nuclear weapons. 

[Percy]

On 5/22/2023 at 1:46 PM, jwmom said:

Thanks for the link

There is also a documentary which represents the book reasonably well. I mentioned it elsewhere but here it is again.

 

[JennyM]

2 hours ago, Percy said:

There is also a documentary which represents the book reasonably well. I mentioned it elsewhere but here it is again.

 

‘No Peace for the Wicked Ones’

“‘There is no peace,’ my God has said, ‘for the wicked ones.’”—ISAIAH 57:21.

[Ysaias]

We are the best informed people in the world, aren't we? We've just received The Watchtower—Study Edition, August 2023, and it's a box full of treasures. Study article 34 in particular certainly help us to look ahead with joy. For example, take a look at these gems:

 

PREVIEW * No matter how bad the situation in the world becomes, we can have confidence that a happy future awaits us. We gain that confidence by studying Bible prophecy. This article will discuss specific reasons why we should study what the Bible foretells. We will also briefly examine two of the prophecies recorded by Daniel and see how we personally can benefit when we understand them.

 

9 Be humble. Jehovah promises to help the humble. (Jas. 4:6) So we need to pray for His help to understand Bible prophecy. We must also acknowledge that we need the help of the channel he is using to give us our spiritual food at the proper time. (Luke 12:42) Jehovah is a God of order, so it makes sense that he would use just one channel to help us understand the truths contained in his Word.—1 Cor. 14:33; Eph. 4:4-6.

 

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PICTURE: We can strengthen our faith and avoid undue anxiety if we realize that opposition from “the king of the north” and “the king of the south” fulfills Bible prophecy (See paragraphs 16-18)

Picture description: Collage:
1. The couple shown earlier wears handcuffs yet stands confidently. In the backgroun are the Russian White House and a map or Russia. Armed forces are attacking with warplanes, machine guns, and military tanks.
2. The sister shown earlier stands confidently. In the background are the United States Capitol and maps of the United Kingdom and the United States. Angry protesters march while military taks, warships, and warplanes mount an assault.

 

18 Those who do not have faith in Bible prophecy may become extremely anxious when they see “the king of the south” “lock horns” with “the king of the north.” (Dan. 11:40, ftn.) Both kings have enough nuclear firepower to destroy all life on earth. But we know that Jehovah will not allow that to happen. (Isa. 45:18) So rather than trouble us, the hostility between “the king of the north” and “the king of the south” strengthens our faith. It confirms that the end of this system is near.

 

Can't wait to study it in advance. October is too far away.

[JennyM]

On 5/25/2023 at 8:29 PM, Ysaias said:

We are the best informed people in the world, aren't we? We've just received The Watchtower—Study Edition, August 2023, and it's a box full of treasures. Study article 34 in particular certainly help us to look ahead with joy. For example, take a look at these gems:

 

PREVIEW * No matter how bad the situation in the world becomes, we can have confidence that a happy future awaits us. We gain that confidence by studying Bible prophecy. This article will discuss specific reasons why we should study what the Bible foretells. We will also briefly examine two of the prophecies recorded by Daniel and see how we personally can benefit when we understand them.

 

9 Be humble. Jehovah promises to help the humble. (Jas. 4:6) So we need to pray for His help to understand Bible prophecy. We must also acknowledge that we need the help of the channel he is using to give us our spiritual food at the proper time. (Luke 12:42) Jehovah is a God of order, so it makes sense that he would use just one channel to help us understand the truths contained in his Word.—1 Cor. 14:33; Eph. 4:4-6.

 

[IMAGE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH LINK]

 

PICTURE: We can strengthen our faith and avoid undue anxiety if we realize that opposition from “the king of the north” and “the king of the south” fulfills Bible prophecy (See paragraphs 16-18)

Picture description: Collage:
1. The couple shown earlier wears handcuffs yet stands confidently. In the backgroun are the Russian White House and a map or Russia. Armed forces are attacking with warplanes, machine guns, and military tanks.
2. The sister shown earlier stands confidently. In the background are the United States Capitol and maps of the United Kingdom and the United States. Angry protesters march while military taks, warships, and warplanes mount an assault.

 

18 Those who do not have faith in Bible prophecy may become extremely anxious when they see “the king of the south” “lock horns” with “the king of the north.” (Dan. 11:40, ftn.) Both kings have enough nuclear firepower to destroy all life on earth. But we know that Jehovah will not allow that to happen. (Isa. 45:18) So rather than trouble us, the hostility between “the king of the north” and “the king of the south” strengthens our faith. It confirms that the end of this system is near.

 

Can't wait to study it in advance. October is too far away.

thanks for the highlights its indeed a good study... Giving us hope. 

[Sofia]

 

[JennyM]

12 hours ago, Sofia said:

Ok.. so this must be another false alarm? so i better be busy in the ministry than watching the pot cause I dont want to lose patience. 

 

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, JennyM said:

Ok.. so this must be another false alarm? so i better be busy in the ministry than watching the pot cause I dont want to lose patience. 

 

That's a good approach regardless whether the alarm is true or false. 

 

We should be busy in the ministry until we receive direction to stop. We don't need, nor are we encouraged to watch the news in an attempt to guess when that direction to stop might happen. 

 

Yes, if we watch the pot we are going to lose patience and our joy.  Athletes don't play the game watching the clock - they are too busy playing their hardest.  Likewise when we go to a game, movie, or a concert, we don't spend the time watching the clock because we are too busy enjoying the program. 

 

That's how we should be with our ministry. We should focus on preaching, teaching and disciple making and not focus on when the clock might run out. 

[Dustparticle]

3 hours ago, JennyM said:

 

If watching  the pot , just keep your distance sis.

[JennyM]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

 

That's a good approach regardless whether the alarm is true or false. 

 

We should be busy in the ministry until we receive direction to stop. We don't need, nor are we encouraged to watch the news in an attempt to guess when that direction to stop might happen. 

 

Yes, if we watch the pot we are going to lose patience and our joy.  Athletes don't play the game watching the clock - they are too busy playing their hardest.  Likewise when we go to a game, movie, or a concert, we don't spend the time watching the clock because we are too busy enjoying the program. 

 

That's how we should be with our ministry. We should focus on preaching, teaching and disciple making and not focus on when the clock might run out. 

Thats true .. Thank you.. its exhausting for me to watch the news and  guess what's gonna happen next. 

 

@Sofia thanks for sharing the thread They had that planned peace talk since last year.. I better enjoy meetings, ministry  and personal study 

[Sofia]

On 5/29/2023 at 5:45 AM, JennyM said:

ts exhausting for me to watch the news and  guess what's gonna happen next.

so true...  I already quit doing that. Once a week I review or I watch when something new happens. It seems many actors want this conflict to go on for ages  

It will all be over when Jehovah wants. I believe that. it wont be late. All will happen at the proper time ❤️ 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Sofia

[Michał]

21 hours ago, Sofia said:

so true...  I already quit doing that. Once a week I review or I watch when something new happens. It seems many actors want this conflict to go on for ages  

It will all be over when Jehovah wants. I believe that. it wont be late. All will happen at the proper time ❤️ 

i dont watch news either. I have this thread for this 😃

[CHecker]

They've been talking about this for a while. What a shock.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/31/climate/climate-change-insurance-wildfires-california.html#:~:text=of America Uninsurable.-,It Just Got Worse.,pulling back from dangerous areas.

 

It's a terrible combination of events happening, people not able to afford housing or food and food stamps being cut back significantly. Then natural disasters taking your home and you don't have money for another! Awful situation. 

[Tia]

Yes, I had to stop being so newsy!  as well,

 

This made me think about the sisters' call today, I just return from FS,  we met a HH who was pleasant, but wanted us to know that she had her own religion - all went well quite well though, we were getting ready to leave, I ask how what are her thoughts about how the world is today, she got very solemn looking, and tears were forming her eyes, she said "I just cannot stand it, people are so cruel, and hateful, it hurts to see how people are today, and I did offer to read a scripture  - I ask her what do you think people need the most today, and she said "peace." I ask if I may read a scripture - 

(Jeremiah 29:11) “‘For I well know the thoughts that I am thinking toward you,’ declares Jehovah, ‘thoughts of peace, and not of calamity, to give you a future and a hope -she smiled, and we were able to speak to her for about .30 minutes.

 

It was my dear sister's door, and she is quite lively, and I could tell the HH appreciated it, because she appears so relax, and it was relaxing to her to perhaps see - yep the are just regular people - and even though she express that she was good in regard to religion, we were still able to have a wonderful conversation with her, and left on a good note, and the sister will return eventually to see how she is faring! 

 

Such a nice day! 

 

 

[New World Explorer]

White House says it supports Ukraine peace summit — even without Russia

The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that Ukraine and its allies were planning a peace summit for global leaders without Russian involvement. Asked what the value was in a summit like that without Russia’s participation, Kirby responded that "you've got to work with Ukrainians" before anything else.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-31-23/index.html