Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Áine]

5 hours ago, Shawnster said:

What?

That was my thought Lol

[LeolaRootStew]

1 minute ago, Ahuvah said:

The UN destroys religion. 

 

The UN is made up of people and it's unlikely they will be able to destroy all religions without the support of the average person - there aren't that many UN troops, after all.

[Áine]

2 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

The religion is called Frankism. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism

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Frank proclaims that the Frankists' descent down the "V" ladder into the deepest humiliation is reflected in society's hatred and exclusion of them, which result from Frankism's consistent implementation of the idea that all laws and teachings of the world are only laws of the "Three Evil World Rulers" (the Pope, the Tsar, and the Sultan), and therefore do not need to be observed. In the best case, such laws and teachings need only be kept in pretense; religions and teachings of the world can be worn like an empty shell and then discarded at whim because the "true Torah" is yet to be revealed.^[18] The Mosaic Law with its Ten Commandments should be despised, as it is part of the "old Torah". The contempt for all teaching of the world culminates in a statement by Frank to his close circle of "Brothers and Sisters" that amounts to a command for total assimilation: one should adapt to the respective religion or language depending on the country.^[19] Frank also advises masked assimilation in the following passage:

Solomon was wise, wiser than all the peoples. He mixed with the nations, took the daughters of kings as his wives, but he did not get anything out of it. He could mix with the nations because he was a king. But here the whole world knows that I am descendant from Jews, that I am newly baptized and poor. But I have hope that I will mix with their society this winter, and they themselves will call me. I can tell you: whoever does not mix with the nations, all his work is in vain!^[20]

Frank was not interested in the acculturation of the Jews; rather, he wanted them to purposefully integrate into society in order to ultimately overthrow it.^[21] If the enemies of the Jews in the 18th century had been familiar with Frank's secret sectarian canon, it would have made the already hotly contested Jewish emancipation considerably more difficult.^[21]

 

Some people are popularizing the idea that the Frankists are still active; the most important thing I can say about this is that it doesn't have to be true for it to motivate the world. Just imagine that Jehovah put the thought that a people like the Frankists had infiltrated all of society. Could that be enough for them to band together to try to destroy it? Maybe. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but it's not impossible for Jehovah to use the paranoia of a conspiracy theory such as this so that the people "hear a report" and want to act.

 

This is just one of many possibilities for the end - please don't attack.

I read that as Frankenstein Lol 

[Ahuvah]

2 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

The UN is made up of people and it's unlikely they will be able to destroy all religions without the support of the average person - there aren't that many UN troops, after all.

But Jehovah is driving it at this stage. He's putting it into their hearts. The average person has no say.

 

1. Jehovah puts it into their hearts to give their power to the UN ...ALL the Kings of the earth do this.

 

2. Possibly then a measure of peace of security is reached. (Presumption here as this is a bit murky still)

 

3. Then the UN turns on BBTG and devastated her.

 

4. Then, ALL the Kings of the earth rise as Gog of Magog and form an attack on God's people, Jehovah is dragging them as if hooked in the jaw to Armageddon.  

Edited February 24 by Ahuvah

[LeolaRootStew]

Just now, Ahuvah said:

But Jehovah is driving it at this stage. He's putting it into their hearts. The average person has no say.

 

He's putting it into their hearts to give power the UN. Destroying religion is a separate matter.

[Ahuvah]

4 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

He's putting it into their hearts to give power the UN. Destroying religion is a separate matter.

Destroying religion is from the Wild Beast. It's the wild beast that turns on her. This is sudden and instant, while they are empowered or have teeth that has been given  by all the Kings.

Edited February 24 by Ahuvah

[trottigy]

7 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

The UN is made up of people and it's unlikely they will be able to destroy all religions without the support of the average person - there aren't that many UN troops, after all.

 

I wonder if when they "give it 'power' to 'rule' if that doesn't include control over the various militaries around the world. They would then instantaneously have enough "teeth" to do what needs doing.

[Tortuga]

4 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

I wonder if when they "give it 'power' to 'rule' if that doesn't include control over the various militaries around the world. They would then instantaneously have enough "teeth" to do what needs doing.

It would be interesting if the UN convinces the people that organized religion is a threat and the people do the looting and burning instead of the military. It seems that people around the world would riot if their religion was destroyed by the military, but if the people do it themselves, everyone is happy...

[Ahuvah]

2 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

It would be interesting if the UN convinces the people that organized religion is a threat and the people do the looting and burning instead of the military. It seems that people around the world would riot if their religion was destroyed by the military, but if the people do it themselves, everyone is happy...

A possible scenario. Their wealth will be looted one way or the other. Don't forget though the prophecy of the merchants standing at a distance, so not everyone will be in boots and all.

[ChrisW]

16 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

He's putting it into their hearts to give power the UN. Destroying religion is a separate matter.

I'm sorry. I don't understand. Jehovah puts the thought into the hearts of the wildbeast to destroy Babylon the Great (religion). What is the separate matter.  I'm not following your train of thought. 

[Tortuga]

1 minute ago, Ahuvah said:

A possible scenario. Their wealth will be looted one way or the other. Don't forget though the prophecy of the merchants standing at a distance, so not everyone will be in boots and all.

Oh, you know how riots are. Everyone gets involved and then regret it later...

[Ahuvah]

Just now, Tortuga said:

Oh, you know how riots are. Everyone gets involved and then regret it later...

Yes a big Oops, what have we done?

[LeolaRootStew]

1 minute ago, trottigy said:

 

I wonder if when they "give it 'power' to 'rule' if that doesn't include control over the various militaries around the world. They would then instantaneously have enough "teeth" to do what needs doing.

 

Just think of the US by itself. Most of those in the armed forces are of the religious right - does it seem likely that they would help to destroy their own churches just because they have orders to do so? They would need a better reason. 

 

And what about Russia and the Orthodox church? Would the troops suddenly destroy the churches they have been supporting the whole time just because they are ordered to?

 

Would Israel destroy Jews and Muslim nations destroy Muslims just because they are ordered?

 

Even all of the power of the German state didn't destroy religion. BtG, on the other hand, will be destroyed in one day - I don't think that can happen unless the people support it, too.

 

 

[LeolaRootStew]

2 minutes ago, ChrisW said:

I'm sorry. I don't understand. Jehovah puts the thought into the hearts of the wildbeast to destroy Babylon the Great (religion). What is the separate matter.  I'm not following your train of thought. 

 

The new understanding is that the one thought is to give power to the UN, not to destroy religion.

 

(Revelation 17:17) 17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=66017017&srcid=share

 

[Ahuvah]

Just now, LeolaRootStew said:

 

The new understanding is that the one thought is to give power to the UN, not to destroy religion.

 

(Revelation 17:17) 17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=66017017&srcid=share

 

And then they destroy false religion. 

 

2 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

Just think of the US by itself. Most of those in the armed forces are of the religious right - does it seem likely that they would help to destroy their own churches just because they have orders to do so? They would need a better reason. 

 

And what about Russia and the Orthodox church? Would the troops suddenly destroy the churches they have been supporting the whole time just because they are ordered to?

 

Would Israel destroy Jews and Muslim nations destroy Muslims just because they are ordered?

 

Even all of the power of the German state didn't destroy religion. BtG, on the other hand, will be destroyed in one day - I don't think that can happen unless the people support it, too.

 

 

Of course they wouldn't on their own, only because Jehovah is in the mix.

[LeolaRootStew]

Just now, Ahuvah said:

And then they destroy false religion. 

 

Of course they wouldn't on their own, only because Jehovah is in the mix.

 

But it's still not the one thought. The average person is not involved in the one thought because it's about giving power to the UN. On the other hand, the destruction of religion is not the one thought and can thus include the actions of average people.

[Ahuvah]

2 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

But it's still not the one thought. The average person is not involved in the one thought because it's about giving power to the UN. On the other hand, the destruction of religion is not the one thought and can thus include the actions of average people.

I see where we quite aren't on the page, which is fine, I understand that it's all part of the one thought ... a fluid action starting with Rev 17:17 right through to the attack on God's people. I do agree that average people will be involved, but that the UN is taking the lead. 

[trottigy]

16 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

Just think of the US by itself. Most of those in the armed forces are of the religious right - does it seem likely that they would help to destroy their own churches just because they have orders to do so? They would need a better reason. 

 

And what about Russia and the Orthodox church? Would the troops suddenly destroy the churches they have been supporting the whole time just because they are ordered to?

 

Would Israel destroy Jews and Muslim nations destroy Muslims just because they are ordered?

 

Even all of the power of the German state didn't destroy religion. BtG, on the other hand, will be destroyed in one day - I don't think that can happen unless the people support it, too.

 

 

 

Unless the people don't see it coming.

 

Lets walk through this …. The UN gets the mandate from all governments to control all of the militaries (with the secret agreement to use that power to rid the world of the real disrupter of peace ‘religion'). So, what is seen and done is the handing over of power to the UN by ALL nations.

 

Everyone cheers that there is “peace” because only one entity controls all of the world’s militaries. The very next day while people are celebrating, the leaders of all of the world’s major religions are arrested by covert operations before anyone even knows what happened (as in “instantly”). And yes, you can always find people in every military that will follow orders – no questions asked.

 

End of day, the UN has a huge media blitz on how religion has always been a problem, all the leaders are locked up, religions are disbanded and all churches are now the property of their respective country’s governments. Anyone trespassing them will be fined and or arrested.  A show of military force at various places – like the Vatican, Jerusalem and Mecca by (for example) is flashed with more “loyal” troops from mixed militaries are shown preparing to back up what has already happened.

 

Then they announce the change in name of all the holidays to some UN approved names with changes to how they are done – as in no more Jesus and manager displays for example, but trees and Santa are still ok.

Edited February 24 by trottigy

[LeolaRootStew]

5 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

Unless the people don't see it coming.

 

Lets walk through this …. The UN gets the mandate from all governments to control all of the militaries (with the secret agreement to use that power to rid the world of the real disrupter of peace ‘religion').

 

Everyone cheers that there is “peace” because only one entity controls all of the world’s militaries. The very next day while people are celebrating, the leaders of all of the world’s major religions are arrested by covert operations before anyone even knows what happened (as in “instantly”). And yes, you can always find people in every military that will follow orders – no questions asked.

 

End of day, the UN has a huge media blitz on how religion has always been a problem, all the leaders are locked up, religions are disbanded and all churches are now the property of their respective country’s governments. Anyone trespassing them will be fined and or arrested.  A show of military force at various places – like the Vatican, Jerusalem and Mecca by (for example) is flashed with more “loyal” troops from mixed militaries are shown preparing to back up what has already happened.

 

Then they announce the change in name of all the holidays to some UN approved names with changes to how they are done – as in no more Jesus and manager displays for example, but trees and Santa are still ok.

 

That seems feasible - kind of a it's-too-late-to-stop-it situation. I just get stuck on why. Why would pro-religious countries destroy their own religions? Maybe in their secret backdoor deals they agree they would be stronger with one secular form of religion. I kind of have my doubts about the religious sincerity of the world leaders, so they'd probably have no problem "betraying" their own people and packaging it as something good.

Edited February 24 by LeolaRootStew

[Ahuvah]

3 minutes ago, trottigy said:

End of day, the UN has a huge media blitz on how religion has always been a problem, all the leaders are locked up, religions are disbanded and all churches are now the property of their respective country’s governments. Anyone trespassing them will be fined and or arrested.  A show of military force at various places – like the Vatican, Jerusalem and Mecca by (for example) is flashed with more “loyal” troops from mixed militaries are shown preparing to back up what has already happened.

 

Then they announce the change in name of all the holidays to some UN approved names with changes to how they are done – as in no more Jesus and manager displays for example, but trees and Santa are still ok.

Agree 100% except this. May be a viable scenario, but time will tell. I think, depending how sudden and how fluid things go, will determine if there's time for it to work out as you've said. 

 

I do think it may happen before a major religious ceremony, and so religious holidays and everything that encompasses it will be affected.

 

My thought, and it's important to know this is mine only ... is that things are going to play out quicker than we currently think. We shall see I guess.

 

 

[trottigy]

4 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

That seems feasible - kind of a it's-too-late-to-stop-it situation. I just get stuck on why. Why would pro-religious countries destroy their own religions? Maybe in their secret backdoor deals they agree they would be stronger with one secular form of religion. I kind of have my doubts about the religious sincerity of the world leaders, so they'd probably have no problem "betraying" their own people and packaging it as something good.

 

I could see the current president of the US giving up the religious people in a second! if he thought he'd get credit for "peace" - especially if he thought he'd get the Nobel. 

 

And no one would see it coming.

Edited February 24 by trottigy

[Ahuvah]

5 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

I kind of have my doubts about the religious sincerity of the world leaders

Well if thar ain't an understatement of facts my darling sis. 😄 🤣 

[Cool.As.Ice]

This discussion is moving so fast I can’t even keep up  

[LeolaRootStew]

2 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

I could see the current president of the US giving up the religious people in a second! if he thought he'd get credit for "peace" - especially if he thought he'd get the Nobel. 

 

And no one would see it coming.

 

I think Trump could literally set a church on fire on live television and his supporters would be like, "it's 5D chess - trust the plan!"

[Ahuvah]

Just now, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I think Trump could literally set a church on fire on live television and his supporters would be like, "it's 5D chess - trust the plan!"

Wellllll .... if I play the devil's advocate with my own thinking and reasoning, which I do often so I'm don't become pedantic about non facts ... if you watch the visual timeline from Brother Jackson shows, it's does convey churches in pretty desolate even disastrous shape. Some are now, but the impression is all churches will gain damage. But, could also be symbolic of complete destruction too.