Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Bluebell]

WT Study edition October 2023

STUDY ARTICLE 44

Par 10

 

First, the nations will proclaim “peace and security!” (1 Thess. 5:2, 3) “Instantly,” the great tribulation will begin when the nations attack all false religion. (Rev. 17:16) After that, there may be a supernatural display of “the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” *(Matt. 24:30) Jesus will pronounce judgment on humankind, separating the sheep from the goats. (Matt. 25:31-33, 46) Satan, though, will not be idle. In his hatred, he will incite a coalition of nations that the Bible calls Gog of the land of Magog to attack Jehovah’s pure worshippers. (Ezek. 38:2, 10, 11) At some point, the anointed remnant will be gathered to heaven to join Christ and his heavenly forces to fight the war of Armageddon, the finale of the great tribulation.

 

*Interessting that this may come even before the attack of Gog..... 

[New World Explorer]

54 minutes ago, Bluebell said:

WT Study edition October 2023

STUDY ARTICLE 44

Par 10

 

First, the nations will proclaim “peace and security!” (1 Thess. 5:2, 3) “Instantly,” the great tribulation will begin when the nations attack all false religion. (Rev. 17:16) After that, there may be a supernatural display of “the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” *(Matt. 24:30) Jesus will pronounce judgment on humankind, separating the sheep from the goats. (Matt. 25:31-33, 46) Satan, though, will not be idle. In his hatred, he will incite a coalition of nations that the Bible calls Gog of the land of Magog to attack Jehovah’s pure worshippers. (Ezek. 38:2, 10, 11) At some point, the anointed remnant will be gathered to heaven to join Christ and his heavenly forces to fight the war of Armageddon, the finale of the great tribulation.

 

*Interessting that this may come even before the attack of Gog..... 

The order of events may change when GT undergoes further developments. But if we stick to the order above, nations could be simply opting to “nothing to loose” scenario. Last fighting chance instead of going down without fight. Once the judgment is pronounced it will be all in for the wicked. Interesting times ahead. (So close now) I am sure that more details will emerge during GT, therefore what we know now, may slightly change. But for now we stick loyally with what is published on the subject, and more importantly loyally stick with Jehovah’s organisation during GT. 

[JennyM]

@New World Explorer Yeah, it so close. Another recent sign is when Russia stopped the grain deal  in  Baltic Sea that UN says it will cause global food shortage and inflation.  

[Doug]

36 minutes ago, JennyM said:

@New World Explorer Yeah, it so close. Another recent sign is when Russia stopped the grain deal  in  Baltic Sea that UN says it will cause global food shortage and inflation.  

 

Another worry is that India has put a halt to its largest export category, non-basmati rice.  This variety is the most common rice used in Asian, Mexican and American recipes.

The Indian government said the ban takes effect on July 20 and only vessels currently loading would be allowed to export.

Rice (all varieties) is a staple food for more than 3 billion people.

Prices have already shot up and panic buying is happening.

 

The El Nino weather has been one reason.  But the decision is also political.  Quote:  "The move demonstrates the sensitivity of the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to food inflation ahead of a general election next year."

[JennyM]

@Doug Its so evil. 

[Doug]

10 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

Have you notice this? In Luke 21:26 People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.27 And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

 

Jesus prophesied at Luke 21:11 we would see "fearful sights", or "strange and terrifying things" (Good News Translation).

 

Study notes say "fearful events" evidently refers to terrifying events.

 

Our featured topic at jw.org is "Summer 2023 Global Heat Wave".  Article says "Yes. Global heat waves and other forms of extreme weather fit events that the Bible foretold for our time.  For example, Jesus prophesied that we would see 'fearful sights' or 'strange and terrifying things'.  Rising global temperatures have led many to fear that humankind will ruin the earth."

 

Verse 25 fits as well. "On the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out."

 

So, "fearful sights, terrifying events" are already happening along with food shortages, great earthquakes and pestilences.

[CHecker]

The research material for Luke 21 is clear. I assumed the frightful signs would be seen right at the last moments but that's not true. The scripture is for the last gasping days of our system. The heatwave, food shortages, wars, pestilence, earthquakes, among other natural disasters that are terrorizing humanity is fulfillment of Luke 21. All at the same time.

[Dhanyel]

African leaders press Putin on grain deal and peace plan for Ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-tells-african-leaders-moscow-is-studying-their-ukraine-proposal-2023-07-28/

 

Putin diz a líderes africanos que Moscou está estudando plano de paz para a Ucrânia

https://g1.globo.com/mundo/ucrania-russia/noticia/2023/07/28/putin-diz-a-lideres-africanos-que-moscou-esta-estudando-plano-de-paz-para-a-ucrania.ghtml

[New World Explorer]

1 hour ago, Loyal said:

African leaders press Putin on grain deal and peace plan for Ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-tells-african-leaders-moscow-is-studying-their-ukraine-proposal-2023-07-28/

 

Putin diz a líderes africanos que Moscou está estudando plano de paz para a Ucrânia

https://g1.globo.com/mundo/ucrania-russia/noticia/2023/07/28/putin-diz-a-lideres-africanos-que-moscou-esta-estudando-plano-de-paz-para-a-ucrania.ghtml

Russia has long said it is open to talks but that these must take account of the "new realities" on the ground.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has rejected the idea of a ceasefire now that would leave Russia in control of nearly a fifth of his country and give its forces time to regroup after 17 grinding months of war.

[New World Explorer]

On 7/25/2023 at 10:37 AM, JennyM said:

@New World Explorer Yeah, it so close. Another recent sign is when Russia stopped the grain deal  in  Baltic Sea that UN says it will cause global food shortage and inflation.  

Actually Rev 6:6 was quoted in tonight's outline with CO elders meeting.

Whole chapter 6 indicates closeness of the end. 

[Dhanyel]

3 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

A Rússia há muito diz que está aberta a negociações, mas que elas devem levar em consideração as "novas realidades" no terreno.

O presidente ucraniano, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, rejeitou a ideia de um cessar-fogo agora que deixaria a Rússia no controle de quase um quinto de seu país e daria às suas forças tempo para se reagrupar após 17 meses de guerra.

And is They are walking in confusion waiting for their god satan to approve this false peace 

[cme]

This false peace will be suddenly.  We won't see it coming.  We will all be surprised when the cry comes.

[Tia]

Our featured topic at jw.org is "Summer 2023 Global Heat Wave".  Article says "Yes. Global heat waves and other forms of extreme weather fit events that the Bible foretold for our time.  For example, Jesus prophesied that we would see 'fearful sights' or 'strange and terrifying things'.  Rising global temperatures have led many to fear that humankind will ruin the earth."

 

Indeed...and it is on many HH minds, I heard last week a news commentator on one of our local TV  channels address the global inclement weather topic above - he said "for him it was like peering into the book of Revelation."  

Edited July 29, 2023 by Tia

[jps]

15 hours ago, cme said:

This false peace will be suddenly.  We won't see it coming.  We will all be surprised when the cry comes.

 

 

yet,

when one thinks of it,

"false peace" sounds like something extremly easy to identify 😄

[Dhanyel]

1 hour ago, jps said:

 

 

ainda,

quando alguém pensa nisso,

"falsa paz" parece algo extremamente fácil de identificar 😄

For the people it will be "true peace" but for us as true Christians we will discern that is a false peace and we will await the fulfillment of the prophecy. That day is coming fast, any moment it will happen 

[Doug]

2 hours ago, jps said:

 

yet,

when one thinks of it,

"false peace" sounds like something extremly easy to identify 😄

 

WE will know it's a false peace  -   like a mirage in the desert.

 

But they will believe it because they want it to be true.

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, Doug said:

WE will know it's a false peace

...Because false religion will be destroyed shortly after. We will see that. Everyone will be in schock except for us.

[Hotteok]

Maybe at the last moment, world leaders will unitedly stop all the factories... and therefore run out of money... that's why they'll be greedy about religion's money? 

[JennyM]

On 7/28/2023 at 8:39 PM, New World Explorer said:

Actually Rev 6:6 was quoted in tonight's outline with CO elders meeting.

Whole chapter 6 indicates closeness of the end. 

Not a time to raise a family. Any day now. 

[Dustparticle]

12 minutes ago, JennyM said:

Not a time to raise a family. Any day now. 

How about a family raising me? I would not be much of a problem. I think.

[New World Explorer]

Russia may be forced to use a nuclear weapon if Ukraine’s counteroffensive succeeds, senior Russian official Dmitry Medvedev said Sunday – the latest in a series of nuclear threats made during Moscow’s invasion by the key ally of President Vladimir Putin.

 

“The loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war,” Medvedev wrote on Telegram in January. “Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends.

“This should be obvious to anyone. Even to a Western politician who has retained at least some trace of intelligence.”

Medvedev’s remarks Sunday again raise the possibility that Russia could potentially lose the war following nearly 18 months of attrition – a rare admission from a senior Russian official.https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/31/europe/medvedev-russia-nuclear-weapons-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Interesting times...

[JennyM]

3 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Russia may be forced to use a nuclear weapon if Ukraine’s counteroffensive succeeds, senior Russian official Dmitry Medvedev said Sunday – the latest in a series of nuclear threats made during Moscow’s invasion by the key ally of President Vladimir Putin.

 

“The loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war,” Medvedev wrote on Telegram in January. “Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends.

“This should be obvious to anyone. Even to a Western politician who has retained at least some trace of intelligence.”

Medvedev’s remarks Sunday again raise the possibility that Russia could potentially lose the war following nearly 18 months of attrition – a rare admission from a senior Russian official.https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/31/europe/medvedev-russia-nuclear-weapons-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Interesting times...

Our former president duterte, if Russia lost the war,  putin might be tempted to use nuke. Will that gonna be a trigger that they willl say peace and security? 

[Dages]

3 hours ago, JennyM said:

Not a time to raise a family. Any day now. 

It's a time to protect our families 😉 

[JennyM]

1 hour ago, Dages said:

It's a time to protect our families 😉 

but not to raise a family like having babies 

[Dages]

6 minutes ago, JennyM said:

but not to raise a family like having babies 

Personal decision