Album Covers and Double Meanings in Songs

[Dustparticle]

 Right beside me is a Beatles CD Abbey Road in 1969. In the front cover it has Paul McCarthy walking across the bare footed and and a white June Bug car and at the bottom of licence plate is reads "28 IF" Theory says that being bare foot means death and Paul McCarty would be 28 if he live (I think). But the Beatles denied of all this. But if you look at the back cover, then you will see left of the name Beatles, about 5 bullet holes and the name Beatles, then you will see a crack in the letter "s". And on the right side of the name of Beatles, then you will see an image of a skull. Supposedly, this all indicates Paul McCarthy was dead. Yes Beatles had a lot secret meanings on the album covers especially on "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band." 

 

 There are two songs the caught my attention from the Beatles and they are "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" and "Hey Jude". Many thought this two songs deals with LSD and Heroine, but the Beatles denied it. So, lets say they were right and these songs doesn't deal with drugs. Then how can many understand these songs deal with drugs??

 

 Let go to another group Eagles. The had an album in 1977, entitled 'Hotel California". In the front cover there is a hotel in which it is okay. Now it gets bizarre. When you open it up, then you see a party going on. In of the party you see a balcony on top. In the middle of the balcony, then you will see a funny image.If you magnify it, it a appears a bald head man in it, Who suppose to be the bald headed man? It looks like Anton LaVey . He was known being a worshiper of Satan and had a Satanic Church in California,  When you look at the right side of the party you will see two guys, one with an Afro with a white shirt on and a another guy with a black jacket on. Behind these guys there appear to be two images one look like a monster (right) and other one (left) look like a 2 horned beast. And on the back of the album in the back you will sees a janitor there. And it was rumored that Anton LaVey got away with murder. He suppose to killed a janitor.

 

 The Eagles two main guys Don Henley and Glenn Fry Denied all of this. Also they denied the song "Hotel California" was not a satanic song. Here are the partial lyrics of the song. 

 

"So I called up the Captain
Please bring me my wine
He said
We haven't had that spirit here since 1969
And still those voices are calling from far away
Wake you up in the middle of the night
Just to hear them say

Welcome to the
Such a lovely Place
Such a lovely Place (background)
Such a lovely face
They're livin' it up at the
What a nice surprise
What a nice surprise (background)
Bring your alibies

Mirrors on the ceiling
Pink champagne on ice
And she said
We are all just prisoners here
Of our own device
And in the master's chambers
They gathered for the feast
They stab it with their steely knives
But they just can't kill the beast"

 

 

So, do these songs by the Beatles and along with Hotel  California have double meanings? Likely so. I might add that Larry Salter who was the manager of Eagles says that they were involved in the Church of Satan. Not only them. but Rolling Stones too. Plus, the Eagles had another song "Good Day In Hell" and an album called "Hell Freezes Over" too. 

 

 No matter what their intention of their songs meant,  many came to believe otherwise. Weird!

 

 

[ReadYourBible]

 No matter what their intention of their songs meant,  many came to believe otherwise. Weird!

I was at the Stones concert when they were here in Edmonton, they were doing their bridges to babylon tour, and featured demonic types of theatre on the stage.  If I recall correctly it was a demon that was over the stage itself.

 

Additionally, they showed content on the screens that sickened me, outright pornographic scenes, and I thought really, there's kids in the audience.  

 

Had I been in the truth, I would have left.  I wasn't at that time and would have if my Dad hadn't bought me the tickets, and was there with me.  

 

I think we'd do well to recall that Satan is the leading producer of today's music, entertainment etc.  It's for good reason our articles ask us to critically think about what we read and what we listen to.  

 

I have to confess, I rarely watch tv any more, with only a few shows, and if I listen to music, it's usually instrumental.

Edited July 2, 2015 by cerebral ecstasy

[jayrtom]

Sure there is demonic music, TV shows, movies, etc...

But I'm also sure if you look closely under your bed, on a particular square inch of the floor, you'll find something that will trouble you

Ah, and if you pick one of our books, on a page with an image, and you fold that page in a particular manner you'll find something strange also ;)

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[campanula]

 I think we'd do well to recall that Satan is the leading producer of today's music, entertainment etc.  It's for good reason our articles ask us to critically think about what we read and what we listen to.  

 

I have to confess, I rarely watch tv any more, with only a few shows, and if I listen to music, it's usually instrumental.

Well said, Sharon!

But... if you go even a little bit further in your research in instrumental music you might see same demonic roots, just a bit older and ingrained. 

[bohemian]

It is not without reason that the FDS has NEVER mentioned particular songs or movies or albums by name. Yes we should all be aware of possible Satanic influence, but we must be very careful not to try to influence the consciences of others by what offends our conscience.

I am reminded of a brother many years ago who 'discovered' that Tchaikovsky was homosexual and then refused to ever listen to his music again, and also tried to influence others not to do so.

A young brother in the same congregation was given strong counsel after comments he made from the platform about a particular Simon and Garfunkel song.

[Dustparticle]

 I love all your comments of above.

[Dustparticle]

It is not without reason that the FDS has NEVER mentioned particular songs or movies or albums by name. Yes we should all be aware of possible Satanic influence, but we must be very careful not to try to influence the consciences of others by what offends our conscience.

I am reminded of a brother many years ago who 'discovered' that Tchaikovsky was homosexual and then refused to ever listen to his music again, and also tried to influence others not to do so.

A young brother in the same congregation was given strong counsel after comments he made from the platform about a particular Simon and Garfunkel song.

You are right about the FDS never, mentioned the names of the groups, however a lot of media has. About 34 years ago some brothers made a list at Bethel about groups who were involved in to such demonic and immoral mess. Through the years I have did some research on it too.

[Stavro]

You are right about the FDS never, mentioned the names of the groups, however a lot of media has.

 

The media has named music and album covers by brother Nelson ("Prince") as being demonic.

 

While I don't doubt that Satan has a direct hand in much more than we realize, we cannot abandon our power of reason and blindly believe every story we hear. (Romans 12:1, 2; 1 Timothy 1:4)

[ReadYourBible]

Well said, Sharon!

But... if you go even a little bit further in your research in instrumental music you might see same demonic roots, just a bit older and ingrained. 

It's funny you say this, and some might consider this extreme, but I check all the lyrics and I check the origins of the song.

 

Music had always been a part of my life, I began listening to my Mom's 45's when I was 5.  I have over 50,000 songs on a separate hard drive as I no longer have cd's.

 

I have no musical talent to speak of, though I played acoustic and classical guitars for a number of years.  I also played the piano for a bit, but no longer do.

Edited July 2, 2015 by cerebral ecstasy

[Dustparticle]

The media has named music and album covers by brother Nelson ("Prince") as being demonic.

 

While I don't doubt that Satan has a direct hand in much more than we realize, we cannot abandon our power of reason and blindly believe every story we hear. (Romans 12:1, 2; 1 Timothy 1:4)

That is true. What I mentioned is not ALL FACTS. I'm just pick up what I see and hear and share it with others. And I let others be the JUDGE of it. Personally Revolution 9 by the Beatles was a highly advanced song in its time. Although it has backward messages (not satanic), but it has 100 different sound effects. There was no song that had it. at that time and some how John Lennon hold that song together for at least seven minutes long. He was a genius. 

 

 I might add that, Aleister Crowley, and Anton LaVey had a lot of impact on the music world in the 60's-80's. They were HIP in those days and that is a FACT. Satan is smart.

[Stavro]

That is true. What I mentioned is not ALL FACTS. I'm just pick up what I see and hear and share it with others. And I let others be the JUDGE of it.

 

*** w15 10/15 p. 31 ***

It takes effort to verify news. That is why some decide simply to leave it up to the recipient to determine if it is credible. But how much time will it take for him to do that? Time is precious. (Eph. 5:15, 16) Instead of thinking, “If in doubt, send it out,” it would be better to adopt the motto, “If in doubt, throw it out!”

[Shawnster]

The media has named music and album covers by brother Nelson ("Prince") as being demonic.

 

While I don't doubt that Satan has a direct hand in much more than we realize, we cannot abandon our power of reason and blindly believe every story we hear. (Romans 12:1, 2; 1 Timothy 1:4)

 

Are these albums from before or after he came into the Truth? Can you provide a source?

[Dustparticle]

*** w15 10/15 p. 31 ***

It takes effort to verify news. That is why some decide simply to leave it up to the recipient to determine if it is credible. But how much time will it take for him to do that? Time is precious. (Eph. 5:15, 16) Instead of thinking, “If in doubt, send it out,” it would be better to adopt the motto, “If in doubt, throw it out!”

Good point brother. So, what is credible news?? It is the information that is presented to us at that time. Take for instance, today news is about an airplane crashed and killed 70 people. But, two days later the dead toll jump to 140 people.Today news was just as CREDIBLE AS THE NEWS TWO DAYS LATER!! So, what I'm saying here is that news is always evolving, yet it still can be CREDIBLE.

 

 The last 2 posts I made about music were basically taken from brothers at Bethel about 34 years ago. It was taken from newspapers and magazines, plus information I pick up later. Yes, credible news is always evolving.

Edited July 2, 2015 by Dustparticle

[Dustparticle]

Are these albums from before or after he came into the Truth? Can you provide a source?

One was Prince 1999. You turn it upside down it is look like 666 and the "I" looks like a male organ.

[Stavro]

Are these albums from before or after he came into the Truth? Can you provide a source?

 

The sources I've seen are typically facebook posts from well-meaning friends, but there are stories of "demonic symbols" in practically every modern album, song, and public appearance, long after his baptism in 2001.

 

In every case, the "demonism" is nothing more than an intentional misinterpretation of some words, or a convoluted connection between random specs of dust on the album case.

[Stavro]

Good point brother. So, what is credible news?? It is the information that is presented to us at that time.

 

Then could you point us to some of these credible sources, instead of passing on email forwards and facebook posts as credible accounts?

[Dustparticle]

 

Then could you point us to some of these credible sources, instead of passing on email forwards and facebook posts as credible accounts?

I think you misunderstood me.The death toll in the airplane accident a couple days ago in Indonesia was 70 and 1 or 2 days later it doubled, hence evolving news, yet it was credible from the first day.

 

 Is this is what you referring to? Or are you talking about music?

[Stavro]

I think you misunderstood me.The death toll in the airplane accident a couple days ago in Indonesia was 70 and 1 or 2 days later it doubled, hence evolving news, yet it was credible from the first day.

 

Reported death tolls always raise as more victims are found, this is standard practice, not an error of the media.

 

But I was referring to the satanic music claims, which are often repeated as "the news said", but the exact news source is never actually named (or in cases where they are named, the claim is proven to be a hoax).

[Dustparticle]

Reported death tolls always raise as more victims are found, this is standard practice, not an error of the media.

 

But I was referring to the satanic music claims, which are often repeated as "the news said", but the exact news source is never actually named (or in cases where they are named, the claim is proven to be a hoax).

I about 34 years ago some brothers at Bethel came out with a list of groups that deals with backward messages and satanic worship, etc. This list I was quoting where the information came from. That was my main point.

[Stavro]

So you place the responsibility for verification on the readers, then you cite a source that is impossible for us to verify?

 

*** w15 10/15 p. 31 ***

It takes effort to verify news. That is why some decide simply to leave it up to the recipient to determine if it is credible. But how much time will it take for him to do that? Time is precious. (Eph. 5:15, 16) Instead of thinking, “If in doubt, send it out,” it would be better to adopt the motto, “If in doubt, throw it out!”

[Dustparticle]

So you place the responsibility for verification on the readers, then you cite a source that is impossible for us to verify?

 

*** w15 10/15 p. 31 ***

It takes effort to verify news. That is why some decide simply to leave it up to the recipient to determine if it is credible. But how much time will it take for him to do that? Time is precious. (Eph. 5:15, 16) Instead of thinking, “If in doubt, send it out,” it would be better to adopt the motto, “If in doubt, throw it out!”

I had that list somewhere. If I find it, then I let you know. But, here is one problem, I can see things clear on album covers. And some of them look demonic, so common sense will tell us something that something wrong here. Would you agree?

[Stavro]

But, here is one problem, I can see things clear on album covers.

You mean like the rumored "pentagram" on the cover of Musicology (2004)?

 

I've seen several failed attempts to trace this nonexistent symbol, but those who believe in the rumors remain convinced that it's there, and they continue to spread around the false stories that brother Nelson is actively practicing occult activities.

 

When Satan wants to send a message, can do so openly, he doesn't need to resort to hidden images and messages that can't be found by anyone except those who are actively looking for Satanic messages just to vilify people without cause.

[Dustparticle]

You mean like the rumored "pentagram" on the cover of Musicology (2004)?

MusicologyCover.jpg

 

I've seen several failed attempts to trace this nonexistent symbol, but those who believe in the rumors remain convinced that it's there, and they continue to spread around the false stories that brother Nelson is actively practicing occult activities.

 

When Satan wants to send a message, can do so openly, he doesn't need to resort to hidden images and messages that can't be found by anyone except those who are actively looking for Satanic messages just to vilify people without cause.

You are referring  to Prince only and I see your point too. Satan can do anything he wants to. About people just actively looking for satanic messages to vilify people is a good point.  However, we cannot ignore satanic messages exist, because it is a fact. And satan doing things openly, well I leave that up to you and Job. Because Job didn't know what hit him.

[Stavro]

However, we cannot ignore satanic messages exist, because it is a fact.

 

I agree completely.

 

But there is a significant difference between personally avoiding music with overt references to spiritism, and repeating long-debunked stories as truth.

[Cheeks]

Right beside me is a Beatles CD Abbey Road in 1969. In the front cover it has Paul McCarthy walking across the bare footed and and a white June Bug car and at the bottom of licence plate is reads "28 IF" Theory says that being bare foot means death and Paul McCarty would be 28 if he live (I think). But the Beatles denied of all this. But if you look at the back cover, then you will see left of the name Beatles, about 5 bullet holes and the name Beatles, then you will see a crack in the letter "s". And on the right side of the name of Beatles, then you will see an image of a skull. Supposedly, this all indicates Paul McCarthy was dead. Yes Beatles had a lot secret meanings on the album covers especially on "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band."

There are two songs the caught my attention from the Beatles and they are "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" and "Hey Jude". Many thought this two songs deals with LSD and Heroine, but the Beatles denied it. So, lets say they were right and these songs doesn't deal with drugs. Then how can many understand these songs deal with drugs??

Let go to another group Eagles. The had an album in 1977, entitled 'Hotel California". In the front cover there is a hotel in which it is okay. Now it gets bizarre. When you open it up, then you see a party going on. In of the party you see a balcony on top. In the middle of the balcony, then you will see a funny image.If you magnify it, it a appears a bald head man in it, Who suppose to be the bald headed man? It looks like Anton LaVey . He was known being a worshiper of Satan and had a Satanic Church in California, When you look at the right side of the party you will see two guys, one with an Afro with a white shirt on and a another guy with a black jacket on. Behind these guys there appear to be two images one look like a monster (right) and other one (left) look like a 2 horned beast. And on the back of the album in the back you will sees a janitor there. And it was rumored that Anton LaVey got away with murder. He suppose to killed a janitor.

The Eagles two main guys Don Henley and Glenn Fry Denied all of this. Also they denied the song "Hotel California" was not a satanic song. Here are the partial lyrics of the song.

"So I called up the Captain

Please bring me my wine

He said

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969

And still those voices are calling from far away

Wake you up in the middle of the night

Just to hear them say

Welcome to the

Such a lovely Place

Such a lovely Place (background)

Such a lovely face

They're livin' it up at the

What a nice surprise

What a nice surprise (background)

Bring your alibies

Mirrors on the ceiling

Pink champagne on ice

And she said

We are all just prisoners here

Of our own device

And in the master's chambers

They gathered for the feast

They stab it with their steely knives

But they just can't kill the beast"

So, do these songs by the Beatles and along with Hotel California have double meanings? Likely so. I might add that Larry Salter who was the manager of Eagles says that they were involved in the Church of Satan. Not only them. but Rolling Stones too. Plus, the Eagles had another song "Good Day In Hell" and an album called "Hell Freezes Over" too.

No matter what their intention of their songs meant, many came to believe otherwise. Weird!

I can only comment on the Hell Freezes over album name. For years they were asked to get back together and the members would say: "yeah we will regroup, when hell freezes over"

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Edited July 3, 2015 by Cheeks