What is nothing?

[Thike Salvmu]

The concept of nothingness has always fascinated me. Does it exist within the physical universe? Is a vacuum nothingness? If so, does that mean that it mean only exist inside a container? Interesting concept indeed.

[pnutts]

Sorry to disabuse you of your fascination. The Vacuum of space is Not empty. It contains Hydrogen and lots of dark matter, etc.

Vacuum in a container isn't empty either, it just doesn't have any air pressure. Energy from atoms can still exist or we wouldn't get and energy from the sun.

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24 minutes ago, Thike Salvmu said:

The concept of nothingness has always fascinated me. Does it exist within the physical universe? Is a vacuum nothingness? If so, does that mean that it mean only exist inside a container? Interesting concept indeed.

In our physical creation nothingness is only a concept.

Totally nothing would exclude even physical forces such as gravity and magnetic force.

It would eliminate  particles, random molecules and the various energy waves moving through out creation. 

[Thike Salvmu]

Fascinating.

Does this mean that nothingness does not exist anywhere in this physical universe?

[Ahuvah]

It's like the concept of inanimate objects, nothing is really inanimate everything is moving constantly. 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2016 by Stormswift

[Thike Salvmu]

Also the concept of infinity. Surely this can only be a reality within the spiritual realm. I can't imagine an infinite universe. There has to be an edge in my opinion.

[Ahuvah]

By the way I haven't introduced myself brother Keith  nice to meet you. 

 

Now back to topic ... we can't imagine infinity because we exist within four dimensions, who knows how many dimensions there are? But the further we get from four the easier it will be to understand how miracles happened, how for instance Jehovah caused the splitting of the Red Sea and for it to gel and stand up like walls. It's only a miracle because of our limited understanding. 

[Thike Salvmu]

Nice to meet you too sister Mandi. 

 

Do you have time down as the 4th dimension? Just curious.

[Ahuvah]

Yes - time being the fourth dimension, but I think time is only the beginning, Jehovah exists outside time, all time we know is pertaining to physical creation.  Time is not going to mean what it does now, in the future, I'm certainly not going to worry how old i am in 2,015 years if Jehovah willing, I get there. 

[Beggar for the Spirit]

Hi Brother Keith.

 

Glad to have you on JWtalk - Welcome!  

And you asked a good question!

Personally I enjoy physics, the Universe and things related. And so do many others on here. So you are in good company.

What helps me to understand what "Nothing" is - is that I try to divide this issue into 2 parts

 

PART 1}

In the Universe is there anywhere in which "nothing" exists physically?

As of right now in our current human understanding, apparently no.

Here are some reasons that help to understand this.

 

A}

Let's say that not only could you create a "vacuum" where nothing visible existed like air or moisture, but what if you could also remove all invisible particles - from atoms down to quarks.

Now do you have "nothing"?

It might seems so, however, if the laws of physics apply to the inside of that vacuum, for example if there is a geometry of the vacuum or if gravity is affecting the vacuum, then it could still be considered "something".

That is a difficult concept, my mind starts over heating when thinking about this!  

 

B}

If the Big Bang Theory is somewhat correct, then out of the "singularity" came not only particles, but time and space.

So if space is its own "fabric" with no particles that constitute its makeup, then if you still create a vacuum and you remove all the visible and invisible particles - you might still have the "fabric of space" - and that is something. Physicists call this fabric - "Space Time Fabric".  As Einstein's General Relativity explains, this fabric also has a "geometric curvature".

 

And with the discovery of the "God Particle" or Higgs Boson, this particle which is 1 of the most elementary particles that exists - is responsible for adding "mass" onto various particles. And so depending on the mass of the particle, the particle "slows' or drags on this "Space Time Fabric". So this fabric is still there even if you could remove every particle that exists - it is something even if we see nothing there.

 

PART 2}

But "nothing"can be explained in other ways.

There are various things that we can literally say has "nothing" or is "nothing".

For example, if I spend all my money from my checking account - my account has literally "nothing" inside it.

Unless "0" is something? (oooooh deep) 

 

Or when a person dies, "nothing" of the person's consciousness remains.

Or if a person asks, "What did you give Joe as a gift?"

A person could respond, "I gave Joe nothing"

 

So in some contexts, we can describe "nothing". (Part 2)

But when referencing the Universe, Space, Vacuums - then "nothing" right now doesn't apply. (Part 1) 

 

Edited March 26, 2016 by Beggar for the Spirit

[Thike Salvmu]

Very interesting.

And thanks for the warm welcome brother. 

[Cool Cat]

Nothing is what some really silly scientists think we were made by.

[New World Explorer]

7 hours ago, Thike Salvmu said:

The concept of nothingness has always fascinated me. Does it exist within the physical universe? Is a vacuum nothingness? If so, does that mean that it mean only exist inside a container? Interesting concept indeed.

 

I don't think nothing can exists within physical sphere 

Well you were nothing 200 years ago ! so do I.

Edited March 26, 2016 by Gregexplore

[New World Explorer]

Another question: Is "concept" nothing ? It does not exists in a physical sense but is captured within the workings of our brain.

[David59]

nothing is

[Witness1970]

14 hours ago, Thike Salvmu said:

Fascinating.

Does this mean that nothingness does not exist anywhere in this physical universe?

That is my way of looking at it.

[Witness1970]

11 hours ago, Thike Salvmu said:

Nice to meet you too sister Mandi. 

 

Do you have time down as the 4th dimension? Just curious.

The numbering of dimensions is rather arbitrary.  Consider a creature that exists in 6 spatial dimensions.  We actually exist in 3 dimensions but those 3 could be dimensions numbered 4, 5,  and 6 as far as this 6-dimensional creature is concerned.

 

Time is also a dimension but not one of the spatial dimensions we normally think of.  In spatial dimensions we can travel in both directions but in time it is only possible, for us, to travel in one direction.

[Dustparticle]

It all depends how we vied nothing. For many years the number zero was view is nothing. No we should view it as something.

[Miss Bea]

Nothing.

[Tortuga]

In tennis, love is nothing...

[Tortuga]

18 hours ago, Thike Salvmu said:

Fascinating.

Does this mean that nothingness does not exist anywhere in this physical universe?

If you find nothing, then you have found something. If you find something, then you haven't found nothing. 

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57 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

If you find nothing, then you have found something. If you find something, then you haven't found nothing. 

Nothing here, I checked. 

[Tortuga]

I think Billy Preston summed it up...

 

Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you want to be with me
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you want to be with me

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2 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

I think Billy Preston summed it up...

 

Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you want to be with me
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you want to be with me

Thank Brother Richard.

I was starting to question whether intelligent life could be found on JWTalk.

Your post removed all doubts.  

[Ahuvah]

1 hour ago, Tortuga said:

If you find nothing, then you have found something. If you find something, then you haven't found nothing. 

In turtle life - speed is nothing. (except that ONE  exceptional one in my Vid)

 

I reckon 'nothing' is a smokescreen -Hubby always asks me what I'm thinking and guess what I say?