A "devout" JW?

[BlueRose]

'A devout Jehovah's Witness' does not show disrepect for the anthem or the flag - we respect them, just do not worship or pledge allegiance. I had the understanding that we stood to show respect, am I mistaken?

No, you're not mistaken. I always stand, but I don't put my hand over my heart and, of course, don't say anything.

[BlueRose]

"Don't Taze me, bro" always make me imagine a picture with Brother Russel in it.

Taze... Taze Russel... get it ?

I get it........but could you fill me in on the "don't taze me bro" thing? I don't get that.

[ava]

this is an interview with the man's son...New York DJ "Charlamagne Tha God".....

http://www.power1051fm.com/pages/onair/breakfast-club/?uri=channels/449330/1484326

where he says his father was brought up as a Jehovah's Witness!...

It drives me crazy when someone does something wrong, and their family claim he is a witness when in reality he was brought up a witness. There is such a huge difference from being one to being raised as one.

This kind of stuff just brings reproach upon Jehovah's name.

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this is an interview with the man's son...New York DJ "Charlamagne Tha God".....

http://www.power1051fm.com/pages/onair/breakfast-club/?uri=channels/449330/1484326

where he says his father was brought up as a Jehovah's Witness!...

It drives me crazy when someone does something wrong, and their family claim he is a witness when in reality he was brought up a witness. There is such a huge difference from being one to being raised as one.

This kind of stuff just brings reproach upon Jehovah's name.

I agree %100. I was watching the video and then heard the news person make some loud announcement that HE IS A DEVOUT JEHOVAH'S WITNESS AND doesn't stand for the flag etc... At that point I just ducked my head in disappointment That really does make Jehovah and his people look even "weirder" than what people already think of us. Too bad too bad

[Precision]

this is an interview with the man's son...New York DJ "Charlamagne Tha God".....

http://www.power1051fm.com/pages/onair/breakfast-club/?uri=channels/449330/1484326

where he says his father was brought up as a Jehovah's Witness!...

It drives me crazy when someone does something wrong, and their family claim he is a witness when in reality he was brought up a witness. There is such a huge difference from being one to being raised as one.

This kind of stuff just brings reproach upon Jehovah's name.

I agree %100. I was watching the video and then heard the news person make some loud announcement that HE IS A DEVOUT JEHOVAH'S WITNESS AND doesn't stand for the flag etc... At that point I just ducked my head in disappointment That really does make Jehovah and his people look even "weirder" than what people already think of us. Too bad too bad

Just goes to show that whether we are baptized or not how our actions can have serious affects on others. Some of you may recall also that Rodney King's lawyer in L.A. made this statement a few years ago, After some racist's on the L.A.P.D where acquitted, L.A. witnessed some of the worse race riots in modern American history...

[Shawnster]

this is an interview with the man's son...New York DJ "Charlamagne Tha God".....

http://www.power1051fm.com/pages/onair/breakfast-club/?uri=channels/449330/1484326

where he says his father was brought up as a Jehovah's Witness!...

It drives me crazy when someone does something wrong, and their family claim he is a witness when in reality he was brought up a witness. There is such a huge difference from being one to being raised as one.

This kind of stuff just brings reproach upon Jehovah's name.

I agree %100. I was watching the video and then heard the news person make some loud announcement that HE IS A DEVOUT JEHOVAH'S WITNESS AND doesn't stand for the flag etc... At that point I just ducked my head in disappointment That really does make Jehovah and his people look even "weirder" than what people already think of us. Too bad too bad

Personally, I, in good conscience, cannot stand for the National Anthem. But that's my conscience.

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Personally, I, in good conscience, cannot stand for the National Anthem. But that's my conscience.

Neither does my daughter as a conscious matter. This is something she decided and I back her on. Standing isn't the only way to show respect but it wouldn't hurt either. She is 11.

[GrumpysWife]

Personally, I, in good conscience, cannot stand for the National Anthem. But that's my conscience.

Neither does my daughter as a conscious matter. This is something she decided and I back her on. Standing isn't the only way to show respect but it wouldn't hurt either. She is 11.

Good for her making her stand. You must be proud of her.

[ava]

Here is a link to this man's son who discussed this on the radio. His son is a DJ. Follow the link and click the video and you will hear the interview, first part is just about his dad bringing a taser to the game. At about 2:16 into the video, this man says his father was "raised" as a Jehovah's Witness.

Here is the link

http://www.power1051fm.com/pages/onair/breakfast-club/?uri=channels/449330/1484326

[trottigy]

Personally, I, in good conscience, cannot stand for the National Anthem. But that's my conscience.

Neither does my daughter as a conscious matter. This is something she decided and I back her on. Standing isn't the only way to show respect but it wouldn't hurt either. She is 11.

Personally, I wait until it is over and then go to my seat. While it is being performed I am milling around with the other people getting food or a drink.

Out of sight - out of mind.

[NasusJW]

Here's an article from CNN:

An NFL fan's failure to stand for the national anthem or keep quiet during a moment of silence during a 9/11 ceremony lead to an embarrassing stun gun fight.

Larry McKelvey, a Dallas Cowboys fan caught on tape using his stun gun on three people at Sunday night's Jets game, is defending his awful conduct.

The New York Daily News reports a group of Gang Green fans disapproved when McKelvey failed to stand for the national anthem and talked on his cell phone during a moment of silence for 9/11 victims. The 59-year-old said "I did what I had to do." He claims he's not a "criminal" and was just protecting himself.

The condemned Cowboys fan was released on $22,500 bail Monday night from a New Jersey jail. McKelvey's son, a New York radio deejay, told the newspaper it's against his Jehovah Witness father's religious beliefs to stand for the national anthem.

Police charged the man with three counts of aggravated assault and illegal possession of a stun gun.

Power 105.1's Charlamagne Tha God, McKelvey's son, says his old man walked right past security with the stun gun on his hip, rather than sneaking it by clueless security guards.

A witness told the Daily News that McKelvey was being "obnoxious," and chatted with friends during "Taps." When he attempted to get up and use the restroom, nobody would let him out. That led to some mean-spirited words and the use of the taser.

[Shawnster]

Personally, I, in good conscience, cannot stand for the National Anthem. But that's my conscience.

Neither does my daughter as a conscious matter. This is something she decided and I back her on. Standing isn't the only way to show respect but it wouldn't hurt either. She is 11.

Personally, I wait until it is over and then go to my seat. While it is being performed I am milling around with the other people getting food or a drink.

Out of sight - out of mind.

This is what my family and I do now. Sometimes we're caught and we've remained seated. Most of the time, however, we're milling about.

It's ironic that milling about getting food isn't offensive, yet politely and quietly remaining seated is considered offensive.

[trottigy]

It's ironic that milling about getting food isn't offensive, yet politely and quietly remaining seated is considered offensive.

I was trying to figure out how to say the same thing.

The others milling around (not JWs) are the same ones that would get offended by the person sitting, eh? But they don't think THEY are being disrespectful.

Sadly, this reminds me of those who are milling around during our conventions

[tekmantwo]

I get it........but could you fill me in on the "don't taze me bro" thing? I don't get that.

You can 'google' it I suppose..there are videos of the incident I'm sure....

Basically what happened, if I remember correctly, is there was some kind of political news conference or event, a heckler got somewhat out of hand and Security moved to remove him....During the act of removing him, he made the statement noted above...

I think they did anyway...................

[trottigy]

I get it........but could you fill me in on the "don't taze me bro" thing? I don't get that.

You can 'google' it I suppose..there are videos of the incident I'm sure....

Basically what happened, if I remember correctly, is there was some kind of political news conference or event, a heckler got somewhat out of hand and Security moved to remove him....During the act of removing him, he made the statement noted above...

I think they did anyway...................

A caution to this - generally it as a 3 1/2 minute video and it isn't until the 3 minute mark where he says this after police already have him in handcuffs. They want to quite him. But before he says the now famous phrase - "Don't tase me Bro." - he use the f-bomb a few times. Watch at your own risk.

And yes, they tased him anyway and he went on the TV morning show circuit here in America. 15 minutes of fame - as they say.

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@Shawnster

I'm sorry I think I confused my last comment a bit I meant, it's disappointing to see the wrong person present as a "devout" Jehovah's Witness.... the 2nd part of my comment about standing was just extending a bit of what he done, but I prefer that my daughter just sits

@Vernalee

Shawnster made a comment that he would prefer to sit as a conscience matter and I agreed because my daughter sits as well So no, she sits not stands Just a little misunderstanding, and thanks! Also, with my daughter, the whole class already knows why she SITS so for her it's not awkward or rude to others because the teacher even announced it to the class. It appears that what becomes disrespectful is if they don't know WHY you sit, or even not put your hand over your heart. People are much more open when they know WHY someone doesn't do certain things

It's ironic that milling about getting food isn't offensive, yet politely and quietly remaining seated is considered offensive.

@Shawnster

Probably because if we just sit there all awkward and silent in the chair people will take us as if we're uncesseasrily inconsiderate. To people we probably just look disobedient, inconsiderate and lazy. Whereas if we walk around or we're engaged in something then people judge us as if we have good reasons for not standing. In other words, they probably see us sitting awkwardly in a chair when we could at least be pretending to do something thus giving them a little consideration and respect. I don't know, but that's the way people's minds seem to work about soluting the flag. It seems like most of the stink can be cleared up by telling them WHY we sit or stand.

[GrumpysWife]

@Shawnster

I'm sorry I think I confused my last comment a bit I meant, it's disappointing to see the wrong person present as a "devout" Jehovah's Witness.... the 2nd part of my comment about standing was just extending a bit of what he done, but I prefer that my daughter just sits

@Vernalee

Shawnster made a comment that he would prefer to sit as a conscience matter and I agreed because my daughter sits as well So no, she sits not stands Just a little misunderstanding, and thanks! Also, with my daughter, the whole class already knows why she SITS so for her it's not awkward or rude to others because the teacher even announced it to the class. It appears that what becomes disrespectful is if they don't know WHY you sit, or even not put your hand over your heart. People are much more open when they know WHY someone doesn't do certain things.

Markus, I understood that she sits. What I was saying is that you must be proud of her because she's young and already has made up her mind how she wants to handle the situation. When I was her age I didn't always do the right thing. We were always told that we were to sit during the National Anthem and I didn't always sit. I got beat up quite a bit and my parents didn't really teach us why or why not we were to do things. Just do it. So I sometimes just followed the crowd. I so admire young ones that can take a stand and stick with it.

I feel bad when I think of my comprise when I was young. It is so hard for kids to take that stand. You should be very proud of her, as I am sure you are. I still feel that in that situation I would sit so I usually go late to those functions. I did get caught in a situation when I took the girls I take care of to the Circus. I didn't realize that they did the flag salute and sang the National Anthem. They did the flag salute first so as I was already standing, I continued to stand. It would have been disrespectful if I sat down. At least that's how I feel about it.

[bookworm]

I watched the main video and never heard it.

Then I saw there was a little video at the bottom near the end of the article, and that is the one that included the comment at the very end.

I think somebody who does not like us tossed that little "detail" in there.

There was a piece about it on FOX news, Martha McCallum (sp?) interviewed Laura Ingle about it, and at the end they did say that the man's son had claimed he was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I hate when people do things like this.

[Debbie]

Am I missing where it says he's a JW? I don't see anything saying that but I guess I'm missing it.

It makes sense since he evidently wasn't standing or removing his cap during the the national anthem. I can't imagine most any non JW doing that. But I dont see where it says that.

Simon, when you go to the page mentioned, there is another video below it about the same thing. In this video, they say that this person's son said that his father is a "devout Jehovah's Witness".

A devout JW doesn't carry weapons and shows respect during the singing of the national anthemn by either, being quiet if everyone else participating is just standing while someone else sings. He/she can also stand and not sing if everyone else is standing & singing. It's up to him/her. What is important is not to participate and show respect. Talking doesn't show respect! I sincerely doubt that this person was a JW.

[Debbie]

'A devout Jehovah's Witness' does not show disrepect for the anthem or the flag - we respect them, just do not worship or pledge allegiance. I had the understanding that we stood to show respect, am I mistaken?

Sylvia, for the Pledge of Allegiance we do stand, just not put our hand over our .

[Brother_Bliss]

'A devout Jehovah's Witness' does not show disrepect for the anthem or the flag - we respect them, just do not worship or pledge allegiance. I had the understanding that we stood to show respect, am I mistaken?

Sylvia, for the Pledge of Allegiance we do stand, just not put our hand over our .

If your conscience permits you to stand....

http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,42714,42714#msg-42714

It might not.

[Debbie]

If your conscience permits you to stand....

http://www.jwtalk.net/forum/read.php?10,42714,42714#msg-42714

It might not.

Very true, if your conscience permits, we should never go against our bible trained conscience as it brought out in the watchtower article you posted in that other thread. I enjoyed reading it before. Thanks for posting about your daughter and how you stood up for her conscience. We will never know everthing, (Eccl.3:11), therefore, we will always be learning.:readbible:

[Simon17]

Am I missing where it says he's a JW? I don't see anything saying that but I guess I'm missing it.

It makes sense since he evidently wasn't standing or removing his cap during the the national anthem. I can't imagine most any non JW doing that. But I dont see where it says that.

Simon, when you go to the page mentioned, there is another video below it about the same thing. In this video, they say that this person's son said that his father is a "devout Jehovah's Witness".

A devout JW doesn't carry weapons and shows respect during the singing of the national anthemn by either, being quiet if everyone else participating is just standing while someone else sings. He/she can also stand and not sing if everyone else is standing & singing. It's up to him/her. What is important is not to participate and show respect. Talking doesn't show respect! I sincerely doubt that this person was a JW.

I'll just trust everyone that its there. Don't feel like watching again but thanks. I would agree he does not sound like a witness, although apparently he is somehow affiliated or once was.

The anthem is tricky. It sounds like he was being a jerk and instigating, but some veterans or zealous patriotic folks, especially on a day like 9/11, may start getting mad at you if you even are sitting quietly. I prefer to get up and use the bathroom. So just because someone claims a witness was being disrespectful to the anthem doesn't necessarily mean they were doing something wrong. This is not that case, obviously, given the stun gun and all haha

[Tazenergy]

Personally, I, in good conscience, cannot stand for the National Anthem. But that's my conscience.

Depending on the circumstances, If I'm already standing then I stay standing but I do not stand if I'm already sitting.