DISCUSS COURT CASE HERE JW.org - Jehovah’s Witnesses Mobilize Global Response to Threat of Ban in Russia

[Stormswift]

8 minutes ago, Bjern said:

How does Judge Judy feel about Jehovah's Witnesses?

She is very staunch on what the law says ... and old values.

7 minutes ago, Samira said:

"The Ministry of Justice demands to select all the buildings of worship of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, built by believers at their own expense"

 

this is all about wanting our buildings.......so they need us to label "extremists" to get their hand on our properties...

The interesting thing is I've often thought that at the end they would look at religion as a way to get them out of a financial hole ... esp institutions like the Vatican ... so maybe the Russian Orthodox is using this opportunity to gain finanically to make their position more secure? Maybe?

[Irving.]

15:27 Zhenkov: The Ministry of Justice suggested that Jehovah's Witnesses, from despair, say that the cases against them are falsified. However, believers do not despair, notes Zhenkov. They believe the words of the Bible that there is nothing secret that would not become obvious. And everyone will bear responsibility before God for their deeds. Just the other day, on April 17, 2017, the President of the Russian Federation approved an amendment to Art. 303 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, criminal responsibility for falsifying evidence on administrative cases is now provided. However, the problem of falsifications should concern not only the President, but above all the executive bodies, such as the Ministry of Justice (justice in Latin means justice).
15:35 In the case there are dozens of certificates: gratitude not only for the improvement of the territory, but for an active life position, for helping those affected by natural disasters, for helping IDPs from the territory of Ukraine, for helping the children's home, for improving the leisure center for children with disabilities, for Participate in the marathon "Help the child", etc. "Is it so that the organization is both useful and dangerous?" Zhenkov is perplexed.

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15:27    Zhenkov: The Ministry of Justice suggested that Jehovah's Witnesses, from despair, say that the cases against them are falsified. However, believers do not despair, notes Zhenkov. They believe the words of the Bible that there is nothing secret that would not become obvious. And everyone will bear responsibility before God for their deeds. Just the other day, on April 17, 2017, the President of the Russian Federation approved an amendment to Art. 303 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, criminal responsibility for falsifying evidence on administrative cases is now provided. However, the problem of falsifications should concern not only the President, but above all the executive bodies, such as the Ministry of Justice (justice in Latin means justice).
15:35    In the case there are dozens of certificates: gratitude not only for the improvement of the territory, but for an active life position, for helping those affected by natural disasters, for helping IDPs from the territory of Ukraine, for helping the children's home, for improving the leisure center for children with disabilities, for Participate in the marathon "Help the child", etc. "Is it so that the organization is both useful and dangerous?" Zhenkov is perplexed.
15:40    Females analyze the testimony of witnesses, both from the plaintiff's side and from the defendant's side.
15:45    The lawyer draws attention to expert opinions on the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses. "Why do I stop at literature again? Because literature, recognized as extremist, is the only complaint against Jehovah's Witnesses in carrying out extremist activities

[Alexa]

Edited April 20, 2017 by Alexa

[Daniela]

This reminds me of  Revelation 18:3 that speaks about the shameless luxury of the Babylon the Great...

They want luxury and power, not God's favor. ... Shame on them!

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[Alexa]

15:46 Zhenkov: "This room was attended by a man who was born in prison. Because his mother was sentenced on 5 month of pregnancy as an enemy of the people to 8 years of imprisonment just because she was a Witness of Jehovah. She gave birth in prison, and spent two years in a prison orphanage. His father could not take him, because he was exiled to Siberia. In 1991, the state recognized the mother as a victim of political repression, apologized to her, appointed a pension. And here in court this person, who was born in prison, approached me and asked: "Does the Ministry of Justice wish to repeat this terrible story?". And I did not know what to say. I still do not know what moves the representatives of the Ministry of Justice and those who direct this process. "

Full text of the speech by Viktor Zhenkov (PDF, 171 KB)

15:51 The representative of the defendant Toporov begins his speech in the debate.

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15:50    
Zhenkov: "What will happen if the court satisfies the request of the Ministry of Justice? A respected court, if this is the will of the state, then the country successfully acquires 170 thousand prisoners of conscience and a corresponding reputation. If the state's will is to observe the law, then the court's decision can be only one - to refuse to satisfy the Ministry of Justice in satisfying the administrative claim. "

[Irving.]

Here is the full speech of what was said if anyone want to read it.

 

Full text of the speech by Viktor Zhenkov (PDF, 171 KB)

 

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=3&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://jw-russia.org/sites/default/files/preniya_zhenkova.pdf&usg=ALkJrhgxZVYxFQzQST1PL5ziy5OVsE29fg

 

[Margaret]

These sound like closing arguments 

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15:52   Speech in the debate begins representative of the defendant Toporov. "Blaming Jehovah's Witnesses for extremism is like blaming the extremism of an infant. Only an infant is not able to commit extremist activity because of his age, and Jehovah's Witnesses are due to his religious worldview. For them, calls for any kind of violence against people, violent actions, enmity and hatred towards people by any indication are serious sins against God. "

[Foxes53]

The ministry of justice .........sounds like they represent the ministry of injustice...What an abuse of power

[Dages]

6 minutes ago, Margaret said:

These sound like closing arguments 

Same idea.

Praying right now.

[Margaret]

Still no news coverage

[Alexa]

16:02 Speaking about the independence of the MPO, Toporov refers to the charter of the UC. MPOs are endowed with the absolute right, without taking into account the will of the Management Center, to determine the term of their presence in the said structure, to resolve issues of liquidation, transfer to other centralized religious organizations, etc. "The UC does not have the right to liquidate the MPO, it is not their founder ... What is this structural unit?" - asks Toporov.

[Irving.]

Still no news coverage

I think they are all waiting to see what the decision is as we are. The whole first row is filled with newscasters. We can expect much news after.

 

[Margaret]

Seems they are done?

[Alexa]

To all, 13:15 am in Moscow a while ago

        

[Margaret]

16:12

Concluding his speech, Toporov cites entirely the statement of human rights activist L. Alekseeva. In the end, he says: "You, the respected court, it is you who, here and today, can eliminate injustice and dishonesty towards hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens, restore their good name, build confidence in the law on countering extremism, clearly showing the difference between these extremists and Extremists drawn on paper.We hope that the court will have the courage to do this and make a fair and impartial decision, guided by the law and the gift from God - a human conscience. "

[JW-Ind]

Pardon my ignorance. I wonder how impartial the Russian court is from the government?

[Abbyz]

1 minute ago, Margaret said:

16:12

Concluding his speech, Toporov cites entirely the statement of human rights activist L. Alekseeva. In the end, he says: "You, the respected court, it is you who, here and today, can eliminate injustice and dishonesty towards hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens, restore their good name, build confidence in the law on countering extremism, clearly showing the difference between these extremists and Extremists drawn on paper.We hope that the court will have the courage to do this and make a fair and impartial decision, guided by the law and the gift from God - a human conscience. "

Touched.....

[Alexa]

4 minutes ago, JW-Ind said:

Pardon my ignorance. I wonder how impartial the Russian court is from the government?

Jehovah only knows the severity  sis kim

[SUNRAY]

Our brothers have done their best...I love each one who has participated in the trial with the motive of upholding Jehovah's Sovereignty! I pray for the right judgement, the protection of all our brave brothers and sisters in Russia..our properties there..

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[Alexa]

16:13 Representative of Novakov starts his speech in the debate. He draws attention to the fact that due to the suspension of activities, believers throughout the country were subjected to massive violations of rights: law enforcement officers invaded the services and copied personal data of citizens who had not committed any offense. The police officers carried out illegal detention, delivery to the police, personal search, videotaping of persons. Administrative cases are raised, warnings are made about the possibility of criminal prosecution under Art. 282 of the Criminal Code.

16:16 Referring to the frequent violations of rights, Novakov says: "Moreover, if the Court makes a decision on liquidation, this will produce even more tragic consequences throughout the country. Any Jehovah's Witness may be considered an extremist with all the ensuing consequences: widespread religious violence against Witnesses: from destruction and damage to property and attacks, to causing serious harm to health and killing peaceful religious citizens on the grounds of religious hatred. At any international level, blame for the connivance of violence and prosecution for far-fetched circumstances will be vested in state authorities in Russia. "

Edited April 20, 2017 by Alexa

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"Moreover, if the Court makes a decision on liquidation, this will produce even more tragic consequences throughout the country. Any Jehovah's Witness may be considered an extremist with all the ensuing consequences: widespread religious violence against Witnesses: from destruction and damage to property and attacks, to causing serious harm to health and killing peaceful religious citizens on the grounds of religious hatred."

 

 

really sad.....

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16:32   Novakov recalls that the representative of the Ministry of Justice accused Jehovah's Witnesses in cynicism in his debates. "I'll tell you what cynicism is," Novakov said. When the Ministry of Justice in the court on an MPO first says that the rights of the CA are not affected, and then these decisions are presented as the basis for eliminating the CA. Or when the Ministry of Justice perceives much more harsh statements against Jehovah's Witnesses as "ordinary criticism", while calling "extremism" those statements that are far from extremism. When, contrary to the available data, the Ministry of Justice dismisses reports of falsification, it does not dare to cite cases when falsification is clearly fixed on the video. "That's what cynicism is!" Concludes Novakov.