Honoring 9/11 first responders

[BenJepthah]

https://local12.com/news/local/football-players-suspended-after-carrying-thin-blue-thin-red-lines-flags-at-game-cincinnati

 

A few months ago they applauded essential workers. Now honoring the first responders who died at the World Trade Center attack trying to save lives is being forbidden. I am at a loss for words.

Edited September 15, 2020 by Mephibosheth

[Tortuga]

I think we will see more of this as people get tired of everyone using every public platform to voice their opinions. The boys asked for permission and were told they couldn't do it, they disobeyed and did it anyway. There is no respect in disobedience no matter what the issue is. 

 

The boys could have found a different way to honor the 9/11 first responders but they chose to disobey instead. So what is their agenda? to honor the 9/11 first responders in an approved and respectful way or dishonor them by disobedience? Keep in mind that first responders survive by strict obedience and working together as a team, how would the dead first responders feel about the boys disobedience?

[BenJepthah]

36 minutes ago, Mephibosheth said:

I think we will see more of this as people get tired of everyone using every public platform to voice their opinions. The boys asked for permission and were told they couldn't do it, they disobeyed and did it anyway. There is no respect in disobedience no matter what the issue is. 

 

The boys could have found a different way to honor the 9/11 first responders but they chose to disobey instead. So what is their agenda? to honor the 9/11 first responders in an approved and respectful way or dishonor them by disobedience? Keep in mind that first responders survive by strict obedience and working together as a team, how would the dead first responders feel about the boys disobedience?

I agree the boys should not have been disobedient.  That is most certainly an issue. 
       

Edited September 15, 2020 by BenJepthah

[Thesauron]

Did the article mention WHY the school felt the manifestation was inappropriate for the event? The boys did not get suspended because of what they made a manifestation of, but because they did a manifestation despite being told not to do so.

[Tortuga]

12 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

It demonstrates just how quickly the herd can be turned and run off a cliff. 

It demonstrates that we live in a world of disobedience. It's a shame the boys didn't work with the school system to do something honorable. Things have changed, back in the day the school may have supported them but many people have ruined that.

Edited September 15, 2020 by Mephibosheth

[Hope]

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“We can’t have students who decide to do something anyway after they’ve been told that they shouldn’t be doing it,” said Gregory Power.

That's why they were suspended.  

[BenJepthah]

59 minutes ago, Mephibosheth said:

12 minutes ago, Hope said:

That's why they were suspended.  

As they most certainly should have been. What I would like an accounting for is why the students proposed display was refused? It certainly would not have been when I was in School. It probably wouldn’t have been refused in the spring during the “ Applauding essential workers “ period.  

[Hope]

1 minute ago, BenJepthah said:

 

They would've been better off to *ask* what they could do to show honor rather than *telling* what they wanted, refused, than disobey.  If they had worked together with the school administration, no doubt something agreeable would have happened. 

[BenJepthah]

17 minutes ago, Hope said:

They would've been better off to *ask* what they could do to show honor rather than *telling* what they wanted, refused, than disobey.  If they had worked together with the school administration, no doubt something agreeable would have happened. 

Do be fair. We don’t know that they didn’t ask. I don’t disagree with your position. 
      What they chose to do was viewed as a political act I presume.  It’s nothing we would do or support. I certainly don’t.  That’s Not the thing about it that I see as a problem. It’s the shift.

    Firefighters are now moved along with police officers along with EMT’s and eventually Nurses into a new category in the public mind. This is something of which  Nurses , who often are closely related to both Police and Firefighters, are very much aware.  I’m glad I’m close to retirement.        
      I recall Mephibosheth saying something about “ Dont put out the fire” . But what if that is literally you job? Do you see the problem for a first responder?

Edited September 15, 2020 by BenJepthah

[Bob]

3 hours ago, Mephibosheth said:

I think we will see more of this as people get tired of everyone using every public platform to voice their opinions. The boys asked for permission and were told they couldn't do it, they disobeyed and did it anyway. There is no respect in disobedience no matter what the issue is. 

 

The boys could have found a different way to honor the 9/11 first responders but they chose to disobey instead. So what is their agenda? to honor the 9/11 first responders in an approved and respectful way or dishonor them by disobedience? Keep in mind that first responders survive by strict obedience and working together as a team, how would the dead first responders feel about the boys disobedience?

I don't think this is the case at all. Yes, they were wrong for disobeying, but this has more to do with the anti-cop narrative. I'm sure if those students wanted to promote that BLM propaganda, they would have been allowed because denying that is tantamount to "racism" and supporting police brutality. 

 

"Thin Blue Line" banners are provocative seeing how police are widely falsely accused of being "systemically racist". They did not want that.

Edited September 15, 2020 by Bob

[BenJepthah]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/1111957/vandals-destroy-9-11-memorial-to-fallen-firefighters/amp/
     It looks like this sentiment is not isolated. 

Of coarse , by simply preventing the display of anything commemorating first responders . Those who hold that view have won. To quote a phrase from the Protestors playbook. “ Silence is Violence “.  If they can terrorize a Public school into not allowing a 9/11 commemorative they have made the schools silence into their weapon.   

Edited September 15, 2020 by BenJepthah

[M.J.]

8 hours ago, BenJepthah said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/1111957/vandals-destroy-9-11-memorial-to-fallen-firefighters/amp/
     It looks like this sentiment is not isolated. 

Of coarse , by simply preventing the display of anything commemorating first responders . Those who hold that view have won. To quote a phrase from the Protestors playbook. “ Silence is Violence “.  If they can terrorize a Public school into not allowing a 9/11 commemorative they have made the schools silence into their weapon.   

I would hardly classify two incidents by a handful of people as representative of a nationwide attitude. I think your blowing this out of proportion. The fact that so many people were upset about it actually shows that these incidents do in fact offend the sensibilities of the majority of the people.

[BenJepthah]

9 hours ago, M.J. said:

I would hardly classify two incidents by a handful of people as representative of a nationwide attitude. I think your blowing this out of proportion. The fact that so many people were upset about it actually shows that these incidents do in fact offend the sensibilities of the majority of the people.

I said “ not isolated”. 

[BenJepthah]

A follow up to this story. Both of these students have been awarded scholarships largely due to there actions.  Welcome to the now, the fractured , broken now.

[Tortuga]

17 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

A follow up to this story. Both of these students have been awarded scholarships largely due to there actions.  Welcome to the now, the fractured , broken now.

Rewarding someone for disobedience just leads to more disobedience. They knew they could be disobedience because they saw someone else get away with it and now someone will see them get away with it. Why follow the rules when public opinion judges you righteous?

[BenJepthah]

13 minutes ago, Mephibosheth said:

Rewarding someone for disobedience just leads to more disobedience. They knew they could be disobedience because they saw someone else get away with it and now someone will see them get away with it. Why follow the rules when public opinion judges you righteous?

Completely agree. This development is promoting a division . Meme meme Tekel parsen 

[Tortuga]

8 hours ago, BenJepthah said:

Completely agree. This development is promoting a division . Meme meme Tekel parsen 

I'm trying to think of a good illustration. How's this...

 

A brother goes to the elders and he wants to post a thank you card on the KH information board to publicly thank some of the congregation for bringing him meals while he was sick. The brothers reminded him that the KH information board is congregation use and not personal use. The brother does it anyway. His intentions are good but what will the elders do?

If the brother tells the congregation that the elders refused to allow him to put the Thank You card on the information board, some may think the elders made the wrong decision, some may think the elders don't like the brother or the friends that provided meals, some may even accuse the elders of not allowing the card because it didn't give their wives enough accolades. Some may assume a variety of hidden motives.

However the simple truth is that it isn't appropriate and there are other alternatives.

Now, can you imagine how devisive the congregation will become if someone publicly rewarded the brother for his disobedience? 

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Mephibosheth

[BenJepthah]

Nice illustration . That’s about right.  I doubt the school had any ill intent. The boys probably had only good intentions. An act of disobedience has actually been rewarded in a big way.  So what is the result:  a divided community with the potential of encouraging even more division . The same thing we have been seeing in the NFL and NBA . A single act of rebellious protest, initially resulting in suspension is now rewarded with fame and fortune. Satan must be loving all this, it is exactly what he himself hoped would be his reward.