Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Percy]

On 4/11/2025 at 4:02 PM, jwzhang said:

 

I think now China decided to stop trade with U.S. altogether. Crazy times.

 

By the way, this is just something I noticed, not necessarily a fact. It feels like our organization/website does not like to comment about China? Is there a reason or is it just how I feel? I know there is no freedom of religion there, but it just feels like we report on other countries under ban (e.g. Russia) much quicker on world events and related news.

 

 

I have friends in that far eastern country (shhhh) and they request not to communicate with them in the language of the truth. They really want to be invisible there and electronic communication is continually scanned for questionable words. The angels are looking after them there. That is also the reason it is not mentioned in the 'NEWS' from JW.org. Don't let anybody know what is going on there. This site could also be scanned. Who knows. 'Loose lips sinks ships' as they used to say in the 40s.

[jwzhang]

3 hours ago, Percy said:

I have friends in that far eastern country (shhhh) and they request not to communicate with them in the language of the truth. They really want to be invisible there and electronic communication is continually scanned for questionable words. The angels are looking after them there. That is also the reason it is not mentioned in the 'NEWS' from JW.org. Don't let anybody know what is going on there. This site could also be scanned. Who knows. 'Loose lips sinks ships' as they used to say in the 40s.

Thanks Percy.
I understand that, but it is still very fascinating to me. We want to protect the friends, and they have tight security with repercussions. However, these are world events and "that country" is a big place with a lot of power. We are politically neutral and it's just interesting we had a lot of news about other wars, current world events but when it came to the start of the pandemic and the trade war happening now, they are not mentioned by name 🤔

[Dages]

6 hours ago, Percy said:

I have friends in that far eastern country (shhhh) and they request not to communicate with them in the language of the truth. They really want to be invisible there and electronic communication is continually scanned for questionable words. The angels are looking after them there. That is also the reason it is not mentioned in the 'NEWS' from JW.org. Don't let anybody know what is going on there. This site could also be scanned. Who knows. 'Loose lips sinks ships' as they used to say in the 40s.

It's interesting to communicate with these friends, about how our "Father" and our "Mother" are OK and taking care of us" wink wink !
"We got a new baby, we went to the pool together last spring" wink wink
"I'm working full time now, I'll have a training school this summer" wink wink

[Dark King]

Oh boy, it looks like the United States Constitution just became as valuable and as important as a toilet paper in my bathroom Trump's and a El Salvador, president, both said they will defy the United States Supreme Court. We have a major constitutional crisis.

 

I'm going to get me a big bucket of popcorn cuz I don't want to go and have to make some more anytime soon.

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

[Dustparticle]

39 minutes ago, Dark King said:

I'm going to get me a big bucket of popcorn cuz I don't want to go and have to make some more anytime soon

 

 I better get out the chocolate and I hope I have enough too.

[chuck83]

1 hour ago, Dark King said:

Oh boy, it looks like the United States Constitution just became as valuable and as important as a toilet paper in my bathroom Trump's and a El Salvador, president, both said they will defy the United States Supreme Court. We have a major constitutional crisis.

 

I'm going to get me a big bucket of popcorn cuz I don't want to go and have to make some more anytime soon.

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

 

People think the Bible is full of myths and stories. The Constitution? 

[Patience87]

1 hour ago, Dark King said:

Oh boy, it looks like the United States Constitution just became as valuable and as important as a toilet paper in my bathroom Trump's and a El Salvador, president, both said they will defy the United States Supreme Court. We have a major constitutional crisis.

 

I'm going to get me a big bucket of popcorn cuz I don't want to go and have to make some more anytime soon.

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

Hmmmm. Reminds me of this recent statement... We may see long-standing mountain like institutions crumble. The Constitution was long regarded as the supreme law of the land. It's now looking just like any other piece of paper. When laws start to crumble, how soon before governments and other institutions start crumbling? 

[feebee]

People have said that it's impossible that religion will be banned in the future as it's protected in the Constitution of many countries. Well.... 

[Dustparticle]

7 minutes ago, Patience87 said:

Hmmmm. Reminds me of this recent statement... We may see long-standing mountain like institutions crumble. The Constitution was long regarded as the supreme law of the land. It's now looking just like any other piece of paper. When laws start to crumble, how soon before governments and other institutions start crumbling? 

 

 No matter what, we will still be preaching up to Armageddon.

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, Dark King said:

Oh boy, it looks like the United States Constitution just became as valuable and as important as a toilet paper in my bathroom Trump's and a El Salvador, president, both said they will defy the United States Supreme Court. We have a major constitutional crisis.

 

This is an opinion 

 

2 hours ago, chuck83 said:

 

People think the Bible is full of myths and stories. The Constitution? 

 

The US Constitution is a pretty solid legal document, actually. 

 

2 hours ago, Patience87 said:

We may see long-standing mountain like institutions crumble. The Constitution was long regarded as the supreme law of the land. It's now looking just like any other piece of paper.

 

On the one hand, that has always been the case. The Supreme Court has been ignored in the past. The Supreme Court has reversed itself in the past. 

 

On the other hand, yes.  This system will continue to crumble and that means how people, even governments, view the rule of law will go from bad to worse. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:16 AM by Shawnster

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, feebee said:

People have said that it's impossible that religion will be banned in the future as it's protected in the Constitution of many countries. Well.... 

 

The Constitution has been amended several times. Sometimes one amendment has overturned a previous amendment. All that needs to happen is pass an amendment that overturns freedom of religion. 

 

Or pass laws that blatantly violate the Constitution that go unchallenged. 

 

I'm leaning toward an amendment. 

[LeolaRootStew]

44 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

The Constitution has been amended several times. Sometimes one amendment has overturned a previous amendment. All that needs to happen is pass an amendment that overturns freedom of religion. 

 

Or pass laws that blatantly violate the Constitution that go unchallenged. 

 

I'm leaning toward an amendment. 

 

I'm leaning towards a UN amendment that applies to all nations.

[Shawnster]

28 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I'm leaning towards a UN amendment that applies to all nations.

Well, right now the Constitution does not allow for turning power over to the UN, so, perhaps, such a US amendment giving the UN authority would happen first. 

Edited yesterday at 01:29 AM by Shawnster

[LeolaRootStew]

6 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Well, right now the Constitution does not allow for turning power over to the UN, so, perhaps, such a US amendment giving the UN authority would happen first. 

 

I'm certainly no political expert, so my simple mind is imagining all the Nations signing some contract to give power to the UN and then later the UN passes a law against religion. Whatever law the UN passes would automatically supersede the Nation's laws (like the ECHR), so there would be no need to pass local laws. Since they would agree with the mandate, there would be no issue of them trying to argue that their laws take precedence.

Edited yesterday at 01:36 AM by LeolaRootStew

[New World Explorer]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Well, right now the Constitution does not allow for turning power over to the UN, so, perhaps, such a US amendment giving the UN authority would happen first. 

Or simply when Rev 17:17 happens all nations sign agreement that their individual constitutions do not take precedence over UN as a 8th King. Something fast that overrides individual constitutions may happen. Seems impossible? Well it's a "thought" from Jehovah overall.. so anything is possible. Anything.. even bordering on "miraculous" results. 

[JennyM]

I wanna rush to the store and buy a small spinner for a $80usd. Im afraid it will get more expensive.

[Dark King]

13 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Well, right now the Constitution does not allow for turning power over to the UN, so, perhaps, such a US amendment giving the UN authority would happen first. 

You're right the US Constitution supposed to be more Superior than the UN charter cuz UN charter is a treaty and not a constitution. But many US presidents has treated their authority within the UN to supersede US Congress. The president's has been set. 

 

To me and this is just my opinion.

 

Presidents and prime ministers and monarchies that's under the UN charter is just lacking the political will   

to turn on false religion. 

But the elements the mechanism is already in place to turn on false religion. 

 

https://www.deseret.com/1996/3/21/19232009/constitution-outranks-u-n-treaty/#:~:text=Even if the ratification of,Constitution's limitations on government power.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/29/opinion/l-in-us-constitution-supersedes-un-charter-law-of-the-land-282490.html

[Dark King]

Also the Russian Orthodox church and Christian conservatives here in the United States has been working together for over 20 years to unite the Russian government and Christian conservative government here in the United States. Together these elements want peace. 

 

This is just my opinion. 

 

 

To me this is some kind of demonic influence trying to change Bible prophecy dealing with the King of the North and King of the South.

 

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/splitting-russia-from-china-is-possible-and-vital/

[Tortuga]

2 minutes ago, Dark King said:

Presidents and prime ministers and monarchies that's under the UN charter is just lacking the political will   

to turn on false religion. 

But the elements the mechanism is already in place to turn on false religion. 

One day we will understand whether or not Jehovah will use the existing elements and mechanisms within the political system to turn on BTG, or if he causes them to do something completely unexpected. It will be interesting to finally see if Jehovah is currently maneuvering attitudes and events or if he will start doing that in the future. We have a lot to look forward to.

[Dark King]

If you listen to brother Jackson's talk at the annual meeting. Listen very carefully about the UN and the one thought he's talking about being caught off guard if you listen to it very carefully. In context, he's saying that people who are not keeping on the watch would be called off guard, but he's encouraging us to keep on the watch and then we won't be caught sleeping and not be caught off guard. Pay attention to it very carefully and you will see. He's saying some people will be caught off guard but the people who are keeping on the watch would not be caught off guard with the one thought happens. They will totally understand what's happening at that time of the one thought.

Edited 22 hours ago by Dark King

[Tortuga]

5 minutes ago, Dark King said:

If you listen to brother Jackson's talk at the annual meeting. Listen very carefully about the UN and the one thought he's talking about being caught off guard if you listen to it very carefully. In context, he's saying that people who are not keeping on the watch would be called off guard, but he's encouraging us to keep on the watch and then we won't be caught sleeping and not be caught off guard. Pay attention to it very carefully and you will see. He's saying some people will be caught off guard but the people who are keeping on the watch would not be caught off guard with the one thought happens. They will totally understand what's happening at that time of the one thought.

I really appreciated this WT Study that explained what it means to Keep on the Watch.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2003003&srcid=share

[Dark King]

23 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

really appreciated this WT Study that I explained what it means to Keep on the Watch.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2003003&srcid=share

And the keep on the watch brochure. 

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/brochures-and-booklets/watch-kp

[chuck83]

16 hours ago, Shawnster said:

The US Constitution is a pretty solid legal document, actually. 

 

You’re right... it is a solid "legal" document. But that’s really all it is. It offers no transformation, no healing, and no moral clarity. So just rules. It functions more like a Terms of Agreement: most people don’t read it until it benefits them, and when it doesn’t benefit the powers that be, it gets amended or reinterpreted. It’s full of ambiguity, and often causes more confusion than clarity.

 

Again... myths and stories "for me." Thank you for your perspective. 

[Tortuga]

29 minutes ago, Dark King said:

And the keep on the watch brochure. 

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/brochures-and-booklets/watch-kp

Yes, the focus is our relationship with Jehovah and not just watching the world change.

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, Dark King said:

charter cuz UN charter is a treaty and not a constitution. But many US presidents has treated their authority within the UN to supersede US Congress. The president's has been set. 

Any instances come to mind?