Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[CHecker]

6 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

I am ready to "sing off" from this ridiculous system anytime.... Just waiting for  the signal! 

AMEN!! Bring it on.

[Sofia]

Didn’t brother Sanderson repeated often at the anual meeting “ keep on the watch! Keep on the watch!” ?

 

Lets do it!

[johnnyjw01]

37 minutes ago, Áine said:

It looks like it’s happening Hamas and Israel have signed off on the first part of the peace plan

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-war-latest-israel-intercepts-latest-gaza-flotilla-as-israel-peace-talks-continue-in-egypt-13443931

They said that 9 months ago but Israel broke the ceasefire. People are not believing it anymore, but let’s see what happens next…

[Dhanyel]

Two full years of war between Hamas and Israel .

May the words of the Thessalonians be fulfilled as soon as possible, let us wait.

[Áine]

2 hours ago, johnnyjw01 said:

They said that 9 months ago but Israel broke the ceasefire. People are not believing it anymore, but let’s see what happens next…

I think they will try and make peace in the Ukrainian war as well… maybe then, we have to wait and see

 

I do think it’s no coincidence that this is coming from the Middle East or as many refer to it as ‘The Bible Lands’ who knows… time will tell 

Edited 13 hours ago by Áine

[lord21]

2 hours ago, Áine said:

I think they will try and make peace in the Ukrainian war as well… maybe then, we have to wait and see

The Russo-Ukrainian war will end when Russian troops completely leave the territory of Ukraine (Donetsk, Luhansk, parts of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, and Crimea). This is the only option for peace to come.

Another question is when this will happen. Some think it will be in 2025 or 2026. Some think it will be in 2028. I personally don't know.

[Dages]

They could claim P&S for Israel and Palestine and on the very same day the area is nuke by Russia or some thing like that.

[Mattclaxton]

36 minutes ago, Dages said:

They could claim P&S for Israel and Palestine and on the very same day the area is nuke by Russia or some thing like that.

That first part is what I have been thinking for years. Isolated peace and security in one area, not a worldwide peace. 

[Áine]

2 hours ago, lord21 said:

The Russo-Ukrainian war will end when Russian troops completely leave the territory of Ukraine (Donetsk, Luhansk, parts of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, and Crimea). This is the only option for peace to come.

Another question is when this will happen. Some think it will be in 2025 or 2026. Some think it will be in 2028. I personally don't know.

Well we’ve just seen how Jehovah can put thoughts into their minds and manoeuvre the nations, nothing is impossible 

[Dages]

The book on Courage would be great to study during the GT

let it come let it come

[New World Explorer]

7 minutes ago, Dages said:

The book on Courage would be great to study during the GT

let it come let it come

That's what brothers said in my congregation as well...

[Timl1980]

5 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

That's what brothers said in my congregation as well..

 

Same here, we were just discussing this at our Tuesday night meeting. It's really hard for me to picture myself being courageous during that period of time, but I know that Jehovah's holy spirit makes us braver than what we feel inside.

[New World Explorer]

5 hours ago, lord21 said:

The Russo-Ukrainian war will end when Russian troops completely leave the territory of Ukraine (Donetsk, Luhansk, parts of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, and Crimea). This is the only option for peace to come.

Another question is when this will happen. Some think it will be in 2025 or 2026. Some think it will be in 2028. I personally don't know.

The Bible only says: “Whenever it is that they are saying, ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them.”

Notice carefully, this statement does not indicate the end of all wars.

It doesn’t describe a world where every conflict has ceased.

Grammatically and logically, the emphasis is on the proclamation itself—the moment people say or believe that peace has been achieved, that things are improving, or that a major problem has been solved.

This means that the fulfilment of the prophecy does not require universal peace or a global cessation of hostilities.

 

Key point: Even a single authoritative pronouncement, or a widely shared sense of optimism and security, could satisfy the conditions described in the verse. In other words, the prophetic trigger is confidence, not the actual reality of peace.

 

This also implies a sobering truth: the decisive moment could occur at any time, even while wars and crises continue elsewhere. What matters is not the state of the world, but the collective declaration and perception that peace and security have been secured.

 

We know some things about the declaration of “peace and security.” However, other things we do not know. We do not know what will lead up to it or how the declaration will be made. And we do not know whether it will involve just one proclamation or a series of announcements. Whatever happens, we do know this: We should not be fooled into thinking that world leaders can actually achieve world peace. Rather, it is that declaration that we have been told to watch for. It is the signal that “Jehovah’s day” is about to begin! W19 October

[LeolaRootStew]

5 hours ago, lord21 said:

The Russo-Ukrainian war will end when Russian troops completely leave the territory of Ukraine (Donetsk, Luhansk, parts of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, and Crimea). This is the only option for peace to come.

Another question is when this will happen. Some think it will be in 2025 or 2026. Some think it will be in 2028. I personally don't know.

 

Couldn't the war also end with Ukraine ceding those territories to Russia in a surrender?

[New World Explorer]

"The world is witnessing a historic moment", Egypt's President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi writes - his country was a key mediator of negotiations.

He describes Sharm El-Sheikh, which played host to discussions, as the "city of peace and the cradle of dialogue".

"This agreement does not only close the chapter of war; it also opens the door of hope for the peoples of the region for a future defined by justice and stability," he says.

The Egyptian Foreign Ministry earlier described the ceasefire as a "positive development" and a "turning point" in the war.https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cx2nzlj2j4kt

[Dhanyel]

This false peace that comes from the devil can be one proclamation or several. we will have to wait!

[Timl1980]

A brother was telling me on the phone yesterday that the term "peace and security" as used by Paul was actually a very well-known slogan used by the Roman empire. That was new information to me and I've been trying to process how that might fit in to the scope of that scripture.

[Áine]

44 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

The Bible only says: “Whenever it is that they are saying, ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them.”

Notice carefully, this statement does not indicate the end of all wars.

It doesn’t describe a world where every conflict has ceased.

Grammatically and logically, the emphasis is on the proclamation itself—the moment people say or believe that peace has been achieved, that things are improving, or that a major problem has been solved.

This means that the fulfilment of the prophecy does not require universal peace or a global cessation of hostilities.

 

Key point: Even a single authoritative pronouncement, or a widely shared sense of optimism and security, could satisfy the conditions described in the verse. In other words, the prophetic trigger is confidence, not the actual reality of peace.

 

This also implies a sobering truth: the decisive moment could occur at any time, even while wars and crises continue elsewhere. What matters is not the state of the world, but the collective declaration and perception that peace and security have been secured.

 

We know some things about the declaration of “peace and security.” However, other things we do not know. We do not know what will lead up to it or how the declaration will be made. And we do not know whether it will involve just one proclamation or a series of announcements. Whatever happens, we do know this: We should not be fooled into thinking that world leaders can actually achieve world peace. Rather, it is that declaration that we have been told to watch for. It is the signal that “Jehovah’s day” is about to begin! W19 October

Quite! And that would fit along with them saying Peace and Security when if you look at it worldwide there is no peace 

[Shawnster]

26 minutes ago, Timl1980 said:

A brother was telling me on the phone yesterday that the term "peace and security" as used by Paul was actually a very well-known slogan used by the Roman empire. That was new information to me and I've been trying to process how that might fit in to the scope of that scripture.

 

 

 

According to ChatGPT 

 

When Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5:3, “Whenever it is that they are saying, ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction will be instantly upon them…”, he was likely echoing a well-known political slogan of the Roman Empire.

 

Here’s the background:

 

“Pax et Securitas” (Peace and Security), or similar phrases like “Pax Romana” (“Roman Peace”) and “Securitas Publica” (“Public Security”), were common imperial ideals.

 

The Roman emperors promoted themselves as bringers of peace and stability after years of civil wars. This message was a key part of imperial propaganda.

 

In inscriptions, coins, and official declarations, Rome often celebrated the gods Pax and Securitas, even depicting them as divine figures who upheld the empire.

 

For example, coins from the reigns of emperors like Augustus, Nero, and Vespasian bear inscriptions such as “PAX AUGUSTA” or “SECURITAS ORBIS” (“Security of the World”).

 

So, when Paul used the phrase “peace and security,” his audience in Thessalonica — a Roman city — would have immediately recognized it as the kind of political assurance the empire often proclaimed.

 

Paul’s message contrasts that imperial boast: while Rome claimed to bring lasting peace and safety, Paul warns that true peace and security do not come from political power but from God’s Kingdom, and that human promises of peace can precede sudden judgment.

 

[ucastrobr]

3 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

 

 

According to ChatGPT 

 

When Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5:3, “Whenever it is that they are saying, ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction will be instantly upon them…”, he was likely echoing a well-known political slogan of the Roman Empire.

 

Here’s the background:

 

“Pax et Securitas” (Peace and Security), or similar phrases like “Pax Romana” (“Roman Peace”) and “Securitas Publica” (“Public Security”), were common imperial ideals.

 

The Roman emperors promoted themselves as bringers of peace and stability after years of civil wars. This message was a key part of imperial propaganda.

 

In inscriptions, coins, and official declarations, Rome often celebrated the gods Pax and Securitas, even depicting them as divine figures who upheld the empire.

 

For example, coins from the reigns of emperors like Augustus, Nero, and Vespasian bear inscriptions such as “PAX AUGUSTA” or “SECURITAS ORBIS” (“Security of the World”).

 

So, when Paul used the phrase “peace and security,” his audience in Thessalonica — a Roman city — would have immediately recognized it as the kind of political assurance the empire often proclaimed.

 

Paul’s message contrasts that imperial boast: while Rome claimed to bring lasting peace and safety, Paul warns that true peace and security do not come from political power but from God’s Kingdom, and that human promises of peace can precede sudden judgment.

 

 

So, imagine the first Christians read in 1 Thessalonians 5:3: “Whenever it is that they are saying, ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction will be instantly upon them…”

They were certain that this prophecy would be fulfilled in their days. I believe I will witness the end of the world, probably, they think. 
Like us today. 
If I write now, the GT will be at least 15 years or 20 years ahead; many would criticize me about it.

[Timl1980]

13 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

So, when Paul used the phrase “peace and security,” his audience in Thessalonica — a Roman city — would have immediately recognized it as the kind of political assurance the empire often proclaimed.

 

That's what I was looking for!

 

Thanks, I was going to go home and start researching the topic because it slightly rang a bell but I couldn't remember why. 

 

It's interesting to see how Satan really doesn't have any new tricks, he's just recycling everything hoping that we won't recognize them for what they really are.

[johnnyjw01]

It seems that Israel is attacking again 

[Bluebell]

2 hours ago, Dages said:

The book on Courage would be great to study during the GT

let it come let it come

 

We had yesterday the announcement that the new Book will be studied next

as CBS

[trottigy]

3 minutes ago, Bluebell said:

 

We had yesterday the announcement that the new Book will be studied next

as CBS

 

It starts July 2026

 

 

[Shannie]