Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[cme]

13 hours ago, Sackedbysapp said:

I wonder if we are being fooled and this system never going to end. Seems like we grasping for anything to be it and the sun comes up and the sun goes down. Im getting tired of it. Either do it or don’t.

Ask AI to give you a count of wars since 2015, a count of natural disasters since 2015, reports of violence never seen before.  Women, children, men are all KILLING!   Families wiping out their own families.  Shooting them in cold blood.  Do a diagram of all of this.  In fact AI will do it for you.  All this is happening within a 10 year span.

 

The pangs of distress are very, very, very close.  It is astonishing to see these never before seen situations happening in our modern era.  We see it here in our country.  The White House is a gambling casino.  Do you not know that we are the last empire?   This empire is swirling rapidly into destruction.

 

Then post again if you can what you just said.  You will have a change of heart.

 

 

[mjcabz]

On 10/14/2026 at 4:07 AM, Sackedbysapp said:

I wonder if we are being fooled and this system never going to end. Seems like we grasping for anything to be it and the sun comes up and the sun goes down. Im getting tired of it. Either do it or don’t.

Please read Luke 21:34-36 

[CHecker]

On 10/13/2026 at 4:07 PM, Sackedbysapp said:

I wonder if we are being fooled and this system never going to end. Seems like we grasping for anything to be it and the sun comes up and the sun goes down. Im getting tired of it. Either do it or don’t.

I sent you a PM Shawn. Maybe it'll bring clarity.

[Barbllm]

Jehovah will not allow this system to exist one day longer than justice demands. 

 

It's exhausting mentally. I don't want to be in survival mode forever and I don't believe I will be. 

[lord21]

What happened? Why doesn’t it seem like the confrontation between the king of the north and the king of the south is happening?

Or do we just have to wait and see?

[franceml]

On 10/13/2026 at 10:07 PM, Sackedbysapp said:

I wonder if we are being fooled and this system never going to end. Seems like we grasping for anything to be it and the sun comes up and the sun goes down. Im getting tired of it. Either do it or don’t.

Perhaps it would be good for us to take some time to reflect on the many wonderful examples we have that can help us keep our spiritual vision clear and focused. One of these is Caleb. He did not allow what he saw happening around him to change what he knew about Jehovah.
He saw many of his contemporaries losing their faith, but he never allowed their attitude to make him doubt Jehovah or the certainty of His promises.
We too live in a world where many people are losing their trust in God or no longer believe in His promises. To keep our faith strong, we need to continue getting to know Jehovah more deeply, reminding ourselves of the beautiful qualities He has shown us, and taking time to meditate on His precious promises.
There is something especially touching about Caleb’s example that I think is worth remembering: he had to wait 45 years to receive his inheritance. Yet he did not spend those years simply waiting for a reward. He spent them faithfully serving Jehovah.
And what about us?
Are we continuing to strengthen our friendship with Jehovah because we truly love who He is and appreciate His beautiful qualities? Or, perhaps without realizing it, has our faith become too closely tied to WHEN we expect to see our hopes fulfilled?
Will we continue to trust in Jehovah with a patient and faithful heart, even if the fulfillment of His promises takes longer than we had expected?

[Eejay]

1 hour ago, franceml said:

There is something especially touching about Caleb’s example that I think is worth remembering: he had to wait 45 years to receive his inheritance.

Yes and he had to endure circumstances due to the lack of faith others displayed.

 

I like what was said about Abraham who lived a life of faith despite of knowing what he had faith in could not possibly occur in his lifetime and yet  "Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, old and satisfied , and was gathered to his people." Gen.25:8.

[Dages]

3 hours ago, lord21 said:

Why doesn’t it seem like the confrontation between the king of the north and the king of the south is happening?

It's been on for years... Trump being nice with Putin for a week isn't a contradiction of KotS vs KotN

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, lord21 said:

What happened? Why doesn’t it seem like the confrontation between the king of the north and the king of the south is happening?

Or do we just have to wait and see?

 

 

You'll notice throughout history there are always times when the kings are not pushing against each other as hard as at other times. It's a constant ebb and flow. 

[eliaseje]

11 hours ago, lord21 said:

What happened? Why doesn’t it seem like the confrontation between the king of the north and the king of the south is happening?

Or do we just have to wait and see?

Also we dont see what goes on behind closed doors. Trump and Putin may act like friends...but keyword is "Act". The U.S. has supplied many weapons to Ukraine in which they are using against Russia.

[feebee]

12 hours ago, lord21 said:

What happened? Why doesn’t it seem like the confrontation between the king of the north and the king of the south is happening?

Or do we just have to wait and see?

The king of the north is "Russia and its allies". Iran is one of those allies. I would say the confrontation is still happening. 

[Shawnster]

40 minutes ago, eliaseje said:

Also we dont see what goes on behind closed doors. Trump and Putin may act like friends...but keyword is "Act". The U.S. has supplied many weapons to Ukraine in which they are using against Russia.

 

 

Historically Trump and Putin are fickle when it comes to dealing with each other. In May of 2025 Trump was critical of Putin. He might be critical again next week. 

[Sackedbysapp]

To me i think the friendship 1 sided. Seems more like trump drooling over Putin.

[Dustparticle]

 No matter what, the leaders of both kings are making fool of themselves. Just see the news and see how low they go.

[Dhanyel]

Does Michael’s standing up occur before the great tribulation begins, or does it mark the beginning of that period?

 

Daniel 12:1.  During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book

[Dages]

Interesting how we get again WTs articles about neutrality. 

[Percy]

5 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

Does Michael’s standing up occur before the great tribulation begins, or does it mark the beginning of that period?

 

Daniel 12:1.  During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book

Whew! Does this help?

*** w22 September p. 21 “Bringing the Many to Righteousness” ***
“THOSE ASLEEP IN THE DUST . . . WILL WAKE UP”

4 Read Daniel 12:1. The book of Daniel reveals the sequence of exciting events that will occur during the time of the end. For example, Daniel 12:1 reveals that Michael, who is Jesus Christ, is “standing in behalf of [God’s] people.” That part of the prophecy began to be fulfilled in 1914 when Jesus was appointed as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom.

5 However, Daniel was also told that Jesus would “stand up” during “a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time.” This “time of distress” is the “great tribulation” mentioned at Matthew 24:21. Jesus stands up, or acts to defend God’s people, at the end of this time of distress, that is, at Armageddon. The book of Revelation refers to these ones as “a great crowd who come out of the great tribulation.”—Rev. 7:9, 14.

 

[Sofia]

14 hours ago, eliaseje said:

Also we dont see what goes on behind closed doors. Trump and Putin may act like friends...but keyword is "Act". The U.S. has supplied many weapons to Ukraine in which they are using against Russia.

The one time in Daniel’s book both kings worked together was to set in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation 

*** w20 May p. 7 par. 17 “The King of the North” in the Time of the End ***
17 The king of the north has supported the king of the south in one key endeavor; they “put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.” (Dan. 11:31) That “disgusting thing” is the United Nations.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2020400&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=28
 

Maybe that’s expected now that we expect the nations to give power to UN…

They have to work together to perform that 

[ChrisC]

14 hours ago, feebee said:

The king of the north is "Russia and its allies". Iran is one of those allies. I would say the confrontation is still happening. 

 

Also, K-of-TS includes UK, which is currently not agreeing with the US in certain things.

[Dustparticle]

1 hour ago, ChrisC said:

 

Also, K-of-TS includes UK, which is currently not agreeing with the US in certain things.

It always been that way, yet they are committed together as one.

[Richie]

3 hours ago, Sofia said:

The one time in Daniel’s book both kings worked together was to set in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation 

Dan. 11:43 - And he will rule over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Libʹy·ans and the E·thi·oʹpi·ans will be at his steps.

 

It sounds like KotN will rule with the KotS as we have seen today.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Richie said:

It sounds like KotN will rule with the KotS as we have seen today.

 

No, and no? 

 

How have we seen this? I don't understand. 

[Dustparticle]

2 hours ago, Richie said:

Dan. 11:43 - And he will rule over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Libʹy·ans and the E·thi·oʹpi·ans will be at his steps.

 

It sounds like KotN will rule with the KotS as we have seen today.

 

 Worldwide the KOTN and KOTS are pushing around in Africa, Middle East and other places in the world to get their resources.

[Richie]

45 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

 

 Worldwide the KOTN and KOTS are pushing around in Africa, Middle East and other places in the world to get their resources.

There is a portion of time where KotN uses the gold and silver as treasures and desirable things of the KotS for him to pursue his goal, which is unsurprising. Well, this is part of the timeline that has to be fulfilled.

[Dhanyel]

What's happening in France?