Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Sofia]

Never in History has been so many countries in elections: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elections_in_2024

Over 70 nations are choosing governments.

Never since 2000 has been a new window of oportunity to solve the Israel/Palentine war. USA+ Europe+ some arabian countries are pressing Israel/Palestine to end the war and make two states. 

Never since 1945 the World is at brick of a WW-3

Things can change fast. Remember that night in 539 BCE? Yep.

Daniel. 2:21    Job.34:20,24, 25,26

Jehovah can make things happen to fullfill his purpose. So we keep on the watch. Wars can get worse... yes, but if governments are changed a fake world peace can also be sorted out. We just have to keep our faith ❤️ 

GT is comming soon!

[chuck83]

IDF Admits to digging up Gaza graves.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/01/19/israel-idf-admits-digging-up-gaza-graves/

 

While I/we understand the condition of the dead. I'm personally bothered by it for the Gazans and certainly if it was my loved one I'd be upset. If I'm being 100% honest. I can definitely see serious distress coming from this.

Edited January 19 by chuck83

[trottigy]

3 hours ago, Sofia said:

"Paul mentions “Jehovah’s day.” As used in this context, this refers to the time period that begins with the attack on “Babylon the  Great,” the world empire of false religion, and ends with Armageddon. (Rev. 16:14, 16; 17:5) Just before that “day” begins, the nations will be proclaiming “Peace and security!” (Some translations say: “Peace and safety.”) World leaders sometimes use similar expressions when they talk about stabilizing relationships between nations. * However, the announcement of “peace and security” that the Bible describes will be different. Why? When this happens, people may think that world leaders have succeeded in making the world a safer, more secure place. But in reality, “sudden destruction” will follow as the “great tribulation” unfolds.—Matt. 24:21." https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2019/keep-busy-during-last-days/

 

I can't imagine ANYONE believing "that world leaders have succeeded in making the world a safer, more secure place." from just some declaration. It is going to have to be some real legitimate actions and again - I am having a hard time imagining nations actually agreeing AND FOLLOWING THRU in anything substantive. This is what has always made me think it's more likely some major breakthrough instead.

 

Hey - maybe something related to AI? I mean - doesn't almost everyone trust AI enough to turn over all the armies to it??     OK - maybe NOT AI.. 

 

 

Edited January 19 by trottigy

[trottigy]

I'll save you the time from asking:

 

 

 

 

Edit: have you ever seen the movie Colossus.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/

 

Edited January 19 by trottigy

[Paulo]

3 hours ago, Sofia said:

Bible Study quote: 

"1 Thessalonians 5:3

sudden destruction is to be instantly on them

Yes, I understand that that is our English translation.

And in Portuguese is translated as sudden, which is more correct for the greek αἰφνίδιος used for "unexpected", "sudden"

 

If you go to Daniel 8:25 and 11:21, the note says "Or possibly, “without warning.”", and that is the definition of sudden or expected.

The second curiosity in Daniel 8:25 and 11:21 is that our translation say in a time of security, in Hebrew it says 'in a time of peace'

So we could say that Daniel 8:25 and 11:21 is about a time when KOTS and KOTN talk about "peace and security" and "unexpected" and "sudden" things happen.

[Tortuga]

30 minutes ago, trottigy said:

Edit: have you ever seen the movie Colossus.

Have you ever read "I have no mouth and I must scream"?

I don't recommend it..

[Old]

8 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

Have you ever read "I have no mouth and I must scream"?

I don't recommend it..

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, mmmmmmmmmmmm, mmmmmmmm

[trottigy]

19 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

Have you ever read "I have no mouth and I must scream"?

I don't recommend it..

 

I just read the synopsis- WOW! OK, let's rule out AI taking over the military.

 

 

[New World Explorer]

9 hours ago, Paulo said:

So we could say that Daniel 8:25 and 11:21 is about a time when KOTS and KOTN talk about "peace and security" and "unexpected" and "sudden" things happen.

I increasingly consider unexpected attack on false religion while they are just talking about PS (like now)  

Just look at Yemen what is happening there, whole Middle East is driven by religion and religion related (holy war) activities. 

Western world is annoyed by "fanatism" of that region. 

 So if the nations will say "We need to get rid off religion to have Peace and Security" I will not be surprised. 

I do not tend to think of medical breakthrough, otherwise the Bible prophecy would indicate "Health and Security" ,  the reference to Peace relates to conflicts, wars in my opinion. 

[Paulo]

22 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Western world is annoyed by "fanatism" of that region. 

 

I would correct it to 'the whole world is annoyed by the fanaticism of any religion'

 

Two article from foreign affairs that worth a look:

 

Giving Up on God - The Global Decline of Religion

September/October 2020

 

Losing Their Religion - The Apostates: When Muslims Leave Islam

June 22, 2015

[JennyM]

A NATO military chief has warned that Brits need to prepare for an all-out war with Russia and be ready to join the battle. Fears of a third world war are mounting and military experts fear that Britain will have no choice but to put boots on the ground. Admiral Rob Bauer - chair of the Nato military committee - warned this week that civilians need to be ready for a conflict that will change their lives. As the globe faces its "most dangerous and volatile moment" in history, large numbers of private citizens will need to be mobilised. During a crunch summit between Nato defence chiefs in Brussels, Bauer said: "We need to be readier across the whole spectrum. Continue reading...

Just now, JennyM said:

A NATO military chief has warned that Brits need to prepare for an all-out war with Russia and be ready to join the battle. Fears of a third world war are mounting and military experts fear that Britain will have no choice but to put boots on the ground. Admiral Rob Bauer - chair of the Nato military committee - warned this week that civilians need to be ready for a conflict that will change their lives. As the globe faces its "most dangerous and volatile moment" in history, large numbers of private citizens will need to be mobilised. During a crunch summit between Nato defence chiefs in Brussels, Bauer said: "We need to be readier across the whole spectrum. Continue reading...

Are these media hype? fear monger? or real? 

[Paulo]

People are tired of endless wars in both sides of the pond.

The Royal Navy is going to decommission 2 ships, one of them recently expensively renovated, because of the lack of man power.

All branches of US military are also reporting an acute decrease in recruitment that could lead to a decrease in missions.

[JennyM]

41 minutes ago, Paulo said:

People are tired of endless wars in both sides of the pond.

The Royal Navy is going to decommission 2 ships, one of them recently expensively renovated, because of the lack of man power.

All branches of US military are also reporting an acute decrease in recruitment that could lead to a decrease in missions.

citizens like peace then. Few will support war now. Would that be the reason why they will declare peace?

Still, king of the north and south will keep on pushing for world domination. 

[GeordieGirl]

1 hour ago, JennyM said:

A NATO military chief has warned that Brits need to prepare for an all-out war with Russia and be ready to join the battle. Fears of a third world war are mounting and military experts fear that Britain will have no choice but to put boots on the ground. Admiral Rob Bauer - chair of the Nato military committee - warned this week that civilians need to be ready for a conflict that will change their lives. As the globe faces its "most dangerous and volatile moment" in history, large numbers of private citizens will need to be mobilised. During a crunch summit between Nato defence chiefs in Brussels, Bauer said: "We need to be readier across the whole spectrum. Continue reading...

Are these media hype? fear monger? or real? 

 

It's real but includes some hype as well. It's not necessarily as imminent as they are making out. Some reports are saying it will happen within the next 20 years. 

Bear in mind that it takes time to prepare for war, so they are warning the public in advance, so if National Service or some such is started up again it won't come as a surprise. 

 

It doesn't matter to us what they say or do though. The important thing is what we do. Draw close to Jehovah through study and prayer; strengthen our faith and trust in him; be obedient to his visible organisation and follow its direction.

Then we have nothing to fear and everything to gain. ❤️

 

Edited January 20 by GeordieGirl

[LeolaRootStew]

1 hour ago, JennyM said:

citizens like peace then. Few will support war now. Would that be the reason why they will declare peace?

Still, king of the north and south will keep on pushing for world domination. 

 

I feel like it would make sense for the cry of peace to come when the war in Russia and/or Gaza stops (or a cease-fire/peace-talks are declared, etc.).

 

Maybe the world will have a sigh of relief that it looks like the fighting will end, then certain religions bombard the news saying we need to continue the fight until the enemy is destroyed. The world comes to the conclusion that the only thing preventing peace is those very same religions...

 

(just a theory)

[Sete]

15 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Have you ever read "I have no mouth and I must scream"?

I don't recommend it..

I should have followed your recommendation. I went to read it here, oh, oh my Jehovah...

[jeje]

Could it be that nations cry P&S as Jehovah has given the thought to nations to end religions and that nations cry P&S prior to the execution of Jehovah’s plan, thinking it’s time to end all those wars due to religions and they believe they have at that moment the way to establish that P&S as Jehovah has given the thought to end religions ? So, I am thinking the cause of P&S cry is more a consequence that Jehovah give the thought to nations to end religions. But this is not possible of course if P&S is a tentative from the Devil to mislead people whereas it seems to be strange for me that it tries to cause P&S cry as he knows the GT will follow…

Edited January 20 by jeje

[Richie]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/19/european-economy-ecbs-lagarde-on-trends-for-2024.html

 

A false security and hope from Davos 2024 economic perspective. They don't care about the real world issues. 

[Richie]

The increase of Islamic movements is on the rise. This maybe a major concern of world governments that it will be stopped thru constraining religious affairs in public places. 

[Dhanyel]

Ayodhya’s Muslims confront grief and anxiety as Ram Temple inauguration nears

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/20/asia/ayodhyas-muslims-anxiety-ram-temple-inauguration-intl-hnk/index.html

 

 

But like many of the town’s 500,000 Muslims, 65-year-old Maulana Badshah Khan says he’ll be staying at home.

He fears a repeat of the religious violence that erupted more than 30 years ago, when Hindu nationalists destroyed the Babri Masjid, a 16th century mosque, triggering riots across the country.

[Dhanyel]

ELIMINATING THE ANACHRONISM OF WAR WOULD FREE UP ENORMOUS RESOURCES FOR MORE CONSTRUCTIVE USES

Peace and Security

https://globalgovernanceforum.org/global-issues/peace-and-security/

 

Since the establishment of the League of Nations in 1920, the goal of global governance has been to ensure peace among nations. However, the international system currently lacks the resources and the will to effectively fulfill this mandate. A comprehensive solution including staged disarmament and an International Peace Force with legal authority to act on behalf of the international community would empower the UN to provide reliable global peace and security.

[Paulo]

2 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

ELIMINATING THE ANACHRONISM OF WAR WOULD FREE UP ENORMOUS RESOURCES FOR MORE CONSTRUCTIVE USES

 

War is not an anachronism. It is a business model upon which, together with uncontrolled debt, the KOTS bases its economy and exercises its power.

 

Quote

 

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

 

Quote

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

 

The farewell speech of U.S.A. President, Dwight Eisenhower. Given on 17 January 1961 and televised in the U.S.A.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Eisenhower's_farewell_address_(audio_transcript)

Edited January 21 by Paulo
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[Paulo]

Speaking of KOTS/KOTN, I love the details in the  JW.org cover article picture.

 

Bellow in the ground there is a T-72 Russian tank and above in the sky there is a US MQ-9 Reaper Drone.

But above both kings useless hardware, high above in the skies, is a bright light that we identify with other pictures as the light from Jehovah's throne and His kingdom. Just my reading anyway.

 

But soon, very soon..

 

[Sofia]

🤔 Putin doesn’t want to give up on Ukraine. Ukraine doesn’t want to give up territory.

how can that conflict becomes solved/frozen?

 

i m curious to see how it unfolds 

for me either Putin s regime is overthrown or the conflict gets stalled or frozen without winners.

 

i strong believe that the Israel/Hamas war solution will be faster due to so many international efforts 

but… I believe that Israel government and Palestine will be replaced first

 

so many elections will go ahead this year so we can expect some surprises around the world 

[hatcheckgirl]

I was reading about the internal issues in Russia, especially the aging soviet era infrastructure that is failing due to lack of maintenance. The fund have obviously been diverted to building up arms and the war effort for many years. The people are truly suffering in sub-zero temperatures, where it’s actually warmer to sit outside with a communal bonfire than inside their apartments. Would it possibly take this to oust Putin and its regime? An internal civil war in the early Communist years did cause them to leave WW1 early. 🤔

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-21/freezing-russians-make-plea-to-vladimir-putin-after-heating-fail/103323062?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=air-drop