Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Shawnster]

10 hours ago, GeordieGirl said:

It has been suggested by the brothers that you keep some cash on hand in case the banks fail and you can't get your money out, like what happened in Venezuela, and in other countries where there has been hyper-inflation and bank failures.

It's also a good idea to have some cash in case a natural disaster or some other crisis causes a power failure or network outage. Businesses can always take cash but can't take cards if the machines aren't working. 

[Dhanyel]

Australia, the UK and US are joining forces in the Pacific, but will nuclear subs arrive quick enough to counter China?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/14/australia/aukus-deal-china-tensions-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Will we have a war between the King of the South and China? 

[Tortuga]

3 minutes ago, Loyal said:

Will we have a war between the King of the South and China? 

Eventually. Just sit back, relax and wait for it...

[Dhanyel]

5 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

Eventualmente. Sente-se, relaxe e espere...

Thanks my friend 😃

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Tortuga said:

Eventually. 

Why do you think this?  Such a war would no doubt draw in Russia as well.  At least as long as they allies. 

[Lee49]

54 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Such a war would no doubt draw in Russia as well.  At least as long as they allies.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/14/politics/russian-jet-us-drone-black-sea/index.html

 

Russian fighter jet forces down US drone over Black Sea after intercept

“At approximately 7:03 AM (CET), one of the Russian Su-27 aircraft struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters. Several times before the collision, the Su-27s dumped fuel on and flew in front of the MQ-9 in a reckless, environmentally unsound and unprofessional manner. This incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional,” US Air Force Gen. James B.Hecker, commander, U.S. Air Forces Europe and Air Forces Africa said in the statement.

President Joe Biden was briefed on the incident by national security adviser Jake Sullivan on Tuesday morning, according to National Security Council communications coordinator John Kirby.

 

[JennyM]

War is a possibility if Jehovah allows it. 

[Dustparticle]

59 minutes ago, JennyM said:

War is a possibility if Jehovah allows it. 

Proverbs 21:1

[JennyM]

1 hour ago, Dustparticle said:

Proverbs 21:1

Yea .. that bible verse. There are dire predictions about war in south china sea but it will happen if Jah permits. 

[Dawid]

3 hours ago, JennyM said:

War is a possibility if Jehovah allows it. 

It is not the matter if Jehova allows or not. It sounds like Jehova wants or does not want the wars. There were thousands wars during 6000 years and it is not appropriate to say that Jehova allowed.

It is rather Satan who allows or not, because this wicked world belongs to him.

Edited March 15, 2023 by Dawid

[New World Explorer]

10 minutes ago, Dawid said:

It is not the matter if Jehova allows or not. It sounds like Jehova wants or does not want the wars. There were thousands wars during 6000 years and it is not appropriate to say that Jehova allowed.

It is rather Satan who allows or not, because this wicked world belongs to him.

David my brother, the expression War is a possibility if Jehovah allows it. is correct. 

Jehovah allowed satan to prove his point, and that includes allowance of all atrocities we have encountered as mankind. 

why Jehovah allowed: cl 139; it-2 1011; w15 9/1 14; w14 1/1 9-10; w14 8/15 7; w10 1/15 25
 

[JennyM]

18 minutes ago, Dawid said:

It is not the matter if Jehova allows or not. It sounds like Jehova wants or does not want the wars. There were thousands wars during 6000 years and it is not appropriate to say that Jehova allowed.

It is rather Satan who allows or not, because this Worlds belongs to him.

This war is going to be different. I dont mean that Jehovah wants or does not want war.  If war happens between US and China in Taiwan,  theres possibility  that there will be another WW3.  and with a 11,000+ nuclear into the hands of corrupt govt, we are doomed. 

 

Satan is in control of this world because Jehovah allows it  to happen for a short period of time  due to the issue of sovereignty. Remember when Satan persecuted Job, Jehovah was in control. He didnt allow Satan to take Job's life. 

We are also reminded in book of Romans that govt authority is in in relative position to God which means that, these govt rule because Jehovah allowed them to rule to show whether their rulership is better than Him. and we know it wasnt. 

 

allow means different to me. It doesnt mean it came directly from Jehovah himself.  

 

 

Edited March 15, 2023 by JennyM

[Dawid]

You do not see the point. When you say "Jehova allows" you suggest that Jehova made a decision and wanted to the war was waged because He let it be. You should remember that Jehova interfere only when it is connected with his purpose and we can not be sure about when it is connected. So I do not think it is appropriate to say Jehova allows this or that war. 

[JennyM]

34 minutes ago, Dawid said:

You do not see the point. When you say "Jehova allows" you suggest that Jehova made a decision and wanted to the war was waged because He let it be. You should remember that Jehova interfere only when it is connected with his purpose and we can not be sure about when it is connected. So I do not think it is appropriate to say Jehova allows this or that war. 

 

Jehovah didnt decide that humans suffer. He allowed it as per the paragraph says. It doesnt mean he wants us to suffer. Its the same with other bad thing like war. 

[Dages]

We aren't doomed.

Jehovah will intervene before the world bombs itself

[Dhanyel]

To allow mean, give freedom, power or license to;  consent, grant.

Jehovah he lets things happen, but he is not responsible for what is happening, wars are prophecies remember the horse mentioned in apocalypse? Jehovah allows this situation  

THE RIDER OF THE RED HORSE

“Another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.”—Revelation 6:4.

This rider represents warfare. Notice that he takes peace away from not just a few nations but the whole earth. In 1914, for the first time in history, a global war erupted. It was followed by a second world war, which was even more destructive. Some estimates place the total number of deaths due to wars and armed conflicts since 1914 at more than 100 million! In addition, vast numbers of other individuals suffered debilitating injuries.

To what extent does warfare characterize the present time? For the first time in history, mankind appears to have the ability to extinguish all human life. Even so-called peacekeeping organizations, such as the United Nations, have not been able to stop the rider of the red horse.

[Pabo]

2 hours ago, Dages said:

We aren't doomed.

Jehovah will intervene before the world bombs itself

 

Well, there has been already nearly 800 nuclear tests since the Manhattan Project, but only 2 were dropped on civilian populations in Japan.

[New World Explorer]

4 hours ago, Dawid said:

When you say "Jehova allows" you suggest that Jehova made a decision

No, not at all. 

To allow something, does not necessary active participation in decision making

See example below.  

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/Good-News-From-God-Video-Series/video-why-suffering/

[Dustparticle]

6 hours ago, JennyM said:

This war is going to be different. I dont mean that Jehovah wants or does not want war.  If war happens between US and China in Taiwan,  theres possibility  that there will be another WW3.  and with a 11,000+ nuclear into the hands of corrupt govt, we are doomed. 

 

Satan is in control of this world because Jehovah allows it  to happen for a short period of time  due to the issue of sovereignty. Remember when Satan persecuted Job, Jehovah was in control. He didnt allow Satan to take Job's life. 

We are also reminded in book of Romans that govt authority is in in relative position to God which means that, these govt rule because Jehovah allowed them to rule to show whether their rulership is better than Him. and we know it wasnt. 

 

allow means different to me. It doesnt mean it came directly from Jehovah himself.  

 

 

The reason why I quote  Proverbs 21:1 is that Jehovah can change the leaders minds if they want to blow up the world no matter Satan rules the world or not. Jehovah has to accomplish   his will in Matthew 24:14.

[JennyM]

5 hours ago, Dages said:

We aren't doomed.

Jehovah will intervene before the world bombs itself

Then, Jehovah wont let WW3 to happen. 

[JennyM]

1 hour ago, Dustparticle said:

The reason why I quote  Proverbs 21:1 is that Jehovah can change the leaders minds if they want to blow up the world no matter Satan rules the world or not. Jehovah has to accomplish   his will in Matthew 24:14.

So for the meantime  these nuclear bombs are used to just bully one another. 

 

btw, Europe banks are not in good shape too. One of my co-worker in Australia said that many start up and founders are afraid to lose their jobs soon.  Lots of signs are appearing and intensifying since covid pandemic. Just around the corner! Are you happy, bro and sis? 

[Dustparticle]

20 minutes ago, JennyM said:

Then, Jehovah wont let WW3 to happen. 

We do not know what is going to happen and maybe a couple nukes will go of too. Just have to wait and see sis.

[JennyM]

24 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

We do not know what is going to happen and maybe a couple nukes will go of too. Just have to wait and see sis.

 

One of our  disaster preparedness is a nuclear fall out.  

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no5-2017-october/disaster-steps-that-can-save-lives/

[Tortuga]

1 minute ago, JennyM said:

 

One of our  disaster preparedness is a nuclear fall out.  

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no5-2017-october/disaster-steps-that-can-save-lives/

"If the authorities direct residents to remain at home or shelter in place, stay inside. In case of an outdoor chemical, biological, or nuclear accident or attack, stay indoors, turn off ventilation, and seal all doors and windows. In a nuclear event, go to the lowest internal part of your building to reduce exposure to radiation. Listen to local TV or radio news. Stay indoors until authorities announce that the threat has passed."

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, JennyM said:

Then, Jehovah wont let WW3 to happen. 

If WW3 was to happen, it would likely involve a lot of nuclear weapons used.  The Earth would be devastated. 

 

Would Jehovah allow this to happen? 

 

Would a nuclear war kill more people than it left alive? 

 

Since we are looking for "peace and security" would a nuclear war be considered peace and security or would it be considered the opposite? 

 

Instead of doom and gloom, aren't signs of peace and security choppy events? Is a war a happy event?