US Election Outcome

[trottigy]

I heard that the guy who started this thread is pretty dense ... If you know what I mean. 

 

 

[Qapla]

[Pjdriver]

11 hours ago, Tortuga said:

What does that tell me?

He is a better businessman or a better liar?

What does that have to do with the money they spent (which is public information) have to do with lying? What lie specifically was that? 

 

Edited November 9 by Qapla
Fixed the "stutter"

[Pjdriver]

Sorry I have a stutter. 

 

I recommended closing the topic. 

[Tortuga]

4 hours ago, Pjdriver said:

What does that have to do with the money they spent (which is public information) have to do with lying? What lie specifically was that? 

 

I was trying to understand what you had said. Thanks anyway.

[Ahuvah]

6 hours ago, trottigy said:

I heard that the guy who started this thread is pretty dense ... If you know what I mean. 

 

 

Some of the best desserts are dense.

[Witness1970]

I don't watch many of the political channels.  Back in the 1990's, I was listening to Republican pundits like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Neal Boortz on the radio on the way to work.  I decided I didn't need that in my life and stopped listening about 30 years ago.  I haven't listened to them since.

 

I saw a poll where Sean Hannity was the least trusted "news" broadcaster on the air today.  I use the word "news" rather loosely here.  One reporter who quit said that he was required to make it sound like Donald trump walked on water no matter what he said.  He quit his job because of that requirement.

 

I don't care for Democrats.  They are supported of LGBTQ+ and abortions.  I am against both, but I have no desire to make laws that force people to go along with my beliefs.  I don't care for Republicans because their economic ideas favor the wealthy and do nothing for the common people like me.

 

Four years ago, the inflation rate was 9.4%.  Now it is 2.4%.  The trouble is that the prices are still high.  The inflation rate going down does not make prices go down, everything is still high.  I fully expect that the inflation rate will rise again.  I guess we will see in the near future.

 

The governments of the world today can do nothing for the big problems.  Only God's Kingdom can help.

 

No storm disasters, no violence, no more climate change, plentiful crops, and peace and love for all.   This is not a comprehensive list of the benefits of God's Kingdom.  A comprehensive list would not be possible here.

[Kwabena]

[Pjdriver]

4 hours ago, Witness1970 said:

Four years ago, the inflation rate was 9.4%.  Now it is 2.4%.  The trouble is that the prices are still high.  The inflation rate going down does not make prices go down, everything is still high. 

That is what one side is telling you.....Go to a Fact Checker.  The info below is not from me, but from a fact checkers. The current administrations does not want to look bad so they play “slight of hand" with the facts. Our own eyes and experience tell us things have gotten way out of control.  

 

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Let's examine the statements regarding inflation rates and price levels over the past four years:

Inflation Rates:

• Four Years Ago (2020): The annual inflation rate in the United States for 2020 was approximately 1.4%. 

  US Inflation Calculator

   

• Current Rate (2024): As of September 2024, the annual inflation rate is 2.4%. 

  US Inflation Calculator

   

Therefore, the claim that the inflation rate was 9.4% four years ago is inaccurate.

Price Levels and Inflation:

Inflation measures the rate at which the general price level of goods and services rises over time. A decrease in the inflation rate indicates that prices are increasing at a slower pace, not that they are decreasing. For instance, if the inflation rate drops from 9% to 2%, prices are still rising, but more slowly. This means that while the inflation rate has declined, the overall price level remains elevated compared to previous years. 

Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis

 

 

 

 

One problem I see in how people elect their officials is that some will vote based on the persons looks, color, gender, charm instead of qualifications.......while a great many are very ignorant of the actual policies and their effects on people’s lives. I find it fascinating to watch how it all plays out. You can see why history is full of failures in Government. The lust for power and money prevent them from learning from past history. 

 

I’m not cheering for one side over the other....but I’m not blind, and it’s easy to see that regardless of which side we might  think is more immoral or unlikeable....there is one side is definitely more qualified to govern the secular aspects of life in this system we live in.   

 

However,  true christians recognize  that neither side ever bothers to mention Jehovah’s solution....the kingdom. They think they are the kingdom. So we know they are doomed to fail no matter who is governing.  

[trottigy]

And that's really the trouble with statistics isn't it? A person can choose a small piece of information and take it out of context- so, here is the full context on inflation by month:

 

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

 

 

You can see that inflation dropped to practically 0 once President Trump shut the country down for 30 days due to COVID - end of March 2020. The first seeds for massive inflation were planted then by almost every country when they did the same AND gave unprecedented government payouts over and over again. Then add in things being shut down with NO plan on how to reopen and you get major bottlenecks of production and shipping. You can see the affect already in March of '21 as people started doing more due to the vaccine rollout that began in Dec 2020. Note: this is the same problem with gas prices - supply and demand which now picked up dramatically.

 

So, yes, a person could pick just a few months before and wink that everything was fine until so and so took over, but that would be our of context. Everything wasn't fine at the end of COVID. In fact, we were all just about to get hit with the second wave of it, not medically but financially. COVID started an awful chain of events that the world is only now digging out of.

 

Edit: just a thought... I still don't think they have any plans for if and most likely when there is another pandemic on how to shutdown AND reopen things. Instead, they'll just point fingers. What a crazy world!

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[Pjdriver]

On 11/8/2024 at 11:36 AM, trottigy said:

per the above - she did out raise him 1.7 billion to 1.1, but that is just 2024.

Yes,  that what I was referring to.....not 9 years ago,  but this year 2024 between the 2 candidates.  Also, both sides have “PACs" and "Super PACs"that is a normal and legal practice for political candidates. 

 

Over the past nine years, both major U.S. political parties have raised substantial funds through Political Action Committees (PACs) and Super PACs. The leading party in terms of fundraising has varied by election cycle. This cycle was lopsided on Harris’ favor, probably due to all the highly immoral celebrities big money donors that want to push the “woke” and “progressive” LGBTQ, “new” morality.... which is really the old immorality. We all see it in  the entertainment media, even in the shows for kids.....we wonder why our children are falling away.

 

The day the start school they’re being bombarded with the “woke” worldview. It’s this fringe view that is slowly taking over the culture.....Here is the good news:  They do not like Organized religion one bit. Oil and water.   

 

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[Pjdriver]

41 minutes ago, trottigy said:

this is the same problem with gas prices - supply and demand which now picked up dramatically.

 

I recall in 2019 the US was producing more oil that it was using. However, immediately in 2020 Biden slowed  the drilling way down and started importing more from other countries. Gas prices and started going up dramatically. Later I recall they had to take from the U.S. oil reservers to help stabilize the prices. The reserve oil is only supposed to used for emergencies....such as in case of war.  

So they cut down the local drilling to appease the fringe part of their party and everyone has paid for it dearly. Of course the lifestyle of those in power is not affected.  

 

[trottigy]

42 minutes ago, Pjdriver said:

Yes,  that what I was referring to.....not 9 years ago,  but this year 2024 between the 2 candidates.  Also, both sides have “PACs" and "Super PACs"that is a normal and legal practice for political candidates. 

 

Over the past nine years, both major U.S. political parties have raised substantial funds through Political Action Committees (PACs) and Super PACs. The leading party in terms of fundraising has varied by election cycle. This cycle was lopsided on Harris’ favor, probably due to all the highly immoral celebrities big money donors that want to push the “woke” and “progressive” LGBTQ, .   

 

 

You mean this "year" not this election "cycle" that began for at least one candidate 9 years ago, right?

 

Edit: and of course most of Trump's money came for the most of moral people that love God and just want to do what is right

 

 

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[trottigy]

18 minutes ago, Pjdriver said:

 

I recall in 2019 the US was producing more oil that it was using. However, immediately in 2020 Biden slowed  the drilling way down and started importing more from other countries. Gas prices and started going up dramatically. Later I recall they had to take from the U.S. oil reservers to help stabilize the prices. The reserve oil is only supposed to used for emergencies....such as in case of war.  

So they cut down the local drilling to appease the fringe part of their party and everyone has paid for it dearly. Of course the lifestyle of those in power is not affected.  

 

 

Ok, so oil. The US became a "net exporter" during the same pandemic that initially caused crude oil usage to drop dramatically around the planet, but ... It continued to be a "net exporter" for years after:

 

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php

 

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In 2020, the United States became a net exporter of petroleum for the first time since at least 1949.1 In 2022, total petroleum exports were about 9.52 million barrels per day (b/d) and total petroleum imports were about 8.33 million b/d, making the United States an annual net total petroleum exporter for the third year in a row. 

 

Of course, this has more to do with oil companies and their using their existing licenses and leases AND demand than whoever is the current administration.

 

As to "reserves" this is less meaningful than other times in history (as the US can now be a "net exporter" any time the big oil companies want), but ... Best to "sell high" and "buy low". This is exactly what the US does.

 

https://www.energy.gov/ceser/spr-quick-facts

 

Personally, I'm glad I didn't have to pay MORE for gas during that time - thanks to the release, but ... Maybe some would rather have paid more. Ah well.

 

 

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[Pjdriver]

5 hours ago, trottigy said:

You mean this "year" not this election "cycle" that began for at least one candidate 9 years ago, right?

They only run every 4 years. Many candidates have run several times. Biden has run 4 times in his career. Harris has run 2 times and she may be back.  Trump 3 times. FDR ran 4 times, Reagan ran 4 times and many others ran 3 times. So there’s nothing strange there.

 

5 hours ago, trottigy said:

Edit: and of course most of Trump's money came for the most of moral people that love God and just want to do what is right

 

Where did Harris get her money? From upstanding citizens?

LGBTQ and all the Hollywood Celebs pushing these lifestyles. Sounds like many prefer that bunch be in power. Men playing In women’s sports, in their locker rooms. etc..... They have some extreme views....and perverted. They make trump look like Snow White. They don’t even pretend to care what God or the Bible say. They ridicule religious beliefs whenever they can. 

 

They’re guilty of the literal slaughter and murder of millions of babies and they fight for the right to continue to do that.... with ferocity.    Harris’  VP running mate T. Walz as Governor signed law in Minnesota law that permits abortions at any stage of pregnancy, without specific gestational limits.

 

Maybe I’m just  too “old fashioned”.  This new culture is definitely

not my cup of tea  

These are the leaders of a new Sodom and Gomorrah Culture Jesus warned we would see.

Yet many are more concerned  by Trumps morals character. 

 

However, No worries, I think many will eventually get their wish anyway. Trump will be gone.....maybe assassinated .... The “woke" and "progressives” will get back in power and will take down religion and pave the way to Armageddon for us. All is Good!    

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[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Pjdriver said:

FDR ran 4 times

So he won each time he ran. Wow! 

[Qapla]

1 hour ago, Pjdriver said:

LGBTQ and all the Hollywood Celebs pushing these lifestyles. Sounds like many prefer that bunch be in power. Men playing In women’s sports, in their locker rooms. etc..... They have some extreme views....and perverted. They make trump look like Snow White.

 

In view of what 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10 says, "Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom." - Jehovah does not seem to view immoral people or LGBTQ as worse than a thief, liar or cheat. He doesn't rank sins from top to bottom, he puts them all on a level field and counts them all as just as bad as any other sin.

 

It doesn't matter which political party either belongs to or how much money they raised or even who backed them ... they are both (all four of them if you count the VP's) as detestable to Jehovah as the other - and they all should be just as detestable to us.

 

[Shawnster]

The irony is that Trump has support from the evangelical religions right and those people make heat airs about morality yet wholeheartedly support obvious amoral leaders. 

[Qapla]

Not to mention that most politicians, right and left, endorse false religion - something Jehovah finds extremely offensive ... it's right in that list in 1 Cor 6:9,10 "idolaters" - not to mention that most politicians are also "greedy people" which is why they want positions of rulership.

 

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[Witness1970]

23 hours ago, Witness1970 said:

Four years ago, the inflation rate was 9.4%.  Now it is 2.4%.  The trouble is that the prices are still high.  The inflation rate going down does not make prices go down, everything is still high.  I fully expect that the inflation rate will rise again.  I guess we will see in the near future.

My numbers were a little off.  The inflation rate got up to 9.1% in June 2022 according to the historical inflation rates.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

My main point was that because the inflation rate goes down, does not mean that prices will go back down.  They just don't go up as fast.  Prices on some items will go down due to supply and demand.  

[Kwabena]

Let's cool things down with some satire. 

 

 

Aah America !!!😂😂

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14055647/ivy-league-dartmouth-listening-circle-kamala-harris-election-2024-loss.html

[Pjdriver]

12 hours ago, Qapla said:

 

In view of what 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10 says, "Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom." - Jehovah does not seem to view immoral people or LGBTQ as worse than a thief, liar or cheat. He doesn't rank sins from top to bottom, he puts them all on a level field and counts them all as just as bad as any other sin.

 

It doesn't matter which political party either belongs to or how much money they raised or even who backed them ... they are both (all four of them if you count the VP's) as detestable to Jehovah as the other - and they all should be just as detestable to us.

 

 

Yes all sin leads to death.   However, the Bible indicates that some sins are particularly offensive or detestable to Jehovah because of their nature or the degree to which they show disrespect for His holiness and sovereignty.  

 

Recall those  "sins”  listed in  Proverbs 6: 16-19 that are especially detestable to Jehovah?

 

 All sin leads to death and any sin can be forgiven.  However, some sins including the LGBTQ+ is an assault on Jehovah’s holiness....and our senses. Of course some of us have been so bombarded with it that we are becoming sympathetic.  

 

Nevertheless, considering the conduct in Sodom and Gomorrah and what happened there and Jesus comparison of them to our day, I would think Jehovah feels the way today about certain sins, as he did back then. 

 

While all sin results in death without repentance, some sins are more offensive due to their nature, the degree of harm they cause, or their assault on Jehovah’s sovereignty and holiness.

 

Even on us personally we put sins at different degrees. Would you rather someone steal your car or murder your child? They are both sins that can lead to death and can be forgiven. But would you view them as the same....just Plain old Sin? 

 

 

[Kunlesky]

14 hours ago, Pjdriver said:

They only run every 4 years. Many candidates have run several times. Biden has run 4 times in his career. Harris has run 2 times and she may be back.  Trump 3 times. FDR ran 4 times, Reagan ran 4 times and many others ran 3 times. So there’s nothing strange there.

 

 

Where did Harris get her money? From upstanding citizens?

LGBTQ and all the Hollywood Celebs pushing these lifestyles. Sounds like many prefer that bunch be in power. Men playing In women’s sports, in their locker rooms. etc..... They have some extreme views....and perverted. They make trump look like Snow White. They don’t even pretend to care what God or the Bible say. They ridicule religious beliefs whenever they can. 

 

They’re guilty of the literal slaughter and murder of millions of babies and they fight for the right to continue to do that.... with ferocity.    Harris’  VP running mate T. Walz as Governor signed law in Minnesota law that permits abortions at any stage of pregnancy, without specific gestational limits.

 

Maybe I’m just  too “old fashioned”.  This new culture is definitely

not my cup of tea  

These are the leaders of a new Sodom and Gomorrah Culture Jesus warned we would see.

Yet many are more concerned  by Trumps morals character. 

 

However, No worries, I think many will eventually get their wish anyway. Trump will be gone.....maybe assassinated .... The “woke" and "progressives” will get back in power and will take down religion and pave the way to Armageddon for us. All is Good!    

 

Burt,

 

I am rolling on the floor! That was well said about modern-day non-geographical Sodom and Gomorrah. However, the irony is that T himself was a son of Sodom and Gomorrah if Epstein's dossier is to be believed (especially his interview with Michael Wolfs). I suppose the evangelicals can chop that down to "he repented"?

[Kunlesky]

8 minutes ago, Pjdriver said:

 

Yes all sin leads to death.   However, the Bible indicates that some sins are particularly offensive or detestable to Jehovah because of their nature or the degree to which they show disrespect for His holiness and sovereignty.  

 

Recall those  "sins”  listed in  Proverbs 6: 16-19 that are especially detestable to Jehovah?

 

 All sin leads to death and any sin can be forgiven.  However, some sins including the LGBTQ+ is an assault on Jehovah’s holiness....and our senses. Of course some of us have been so bombarded with it that we are becoming sympathetic.  

 

Nevertheless, considering the conduct in Sodom and Gomorrah and what happened there and Jesus comparison of them to our day, I would think Jehovah feels the way today about certain sins, as he did back then. 

 

While all sin results in death without repentance, some sins are more offensive due to their nature, the degree of harm they cause, or their assault on Jehovah’s sovereignty and holiness.

 

Even on us personally we put sins at different degrees. Would you rather someone steal your car or murder your child? They are both sins that can lead to death and can be forgiven. But would you view them as the same....just Plain old Sin? 

 

 

 

Burt,

 

I agree with most of what you are saying, but I do think we need to remove feelings from it. Jehovah held His nose to get us into His organization: He hated the sins and not the sinners! We will need to do the same (I can imagine Burt asking another brother to take that door in service). I believe you are right about the assaults and onslaught from media and entertainment outlets on societal consciousness to try to normalize the "alphabet" and draw up sympathies.

[Pjdriver]

3 minutes ago, Kunlesky said:

 

Burt,

 

I am rolling on the floor! That was well said about modern-day non-geographical Sodom and Gomorrah. However, the irony is that T himself was a son of Sodom and Gomorrah if Epstein's dossier is to be believed (especially his interview with Michael Wolfs). I suppose the evangelicals can chop that down to "he repented"?

 

Many Presidents have been sexually immoral....that’s no secret. Clinton was a real pervert right in the Oval Office. Kennedy was immoral and many others.  Topic was supposed to be about the outcome and effects of the Election.....I thought that might be more about prophecy or even policies.....but it seems we have the “Trump derangement syndrome”  here.  

 

This country is way past arguing that a politician has been sexually immoral....Most people don’t care because they know many on both side are or have been.  People care about their wallets most.