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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/jan/27/20-human-body-facts-science

 

There are 20 points here that go into detail about the human body, not written from a point of faith in Jehovah God unfortunately, but they certainly are a testament to why we would want to echo Davids words in Psalm 139:14-16.   The article has a photo of a woman lying down naked, her skin is showing, but no visible body parts other than shapes and curves to suggest it is a woman.....myself I do not view this picture as a bother to my conscience, but others may.  So please view at your own discretion. 

 

When I see skin I think of it in biological terms and even how wonderfully it is made.  Acting with several different functions, in fact here is what I think of when I think of skin LOL  

 

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Also as an aside, I know that sometimes when we discuss this topic with others we want to talk about the intelligence behind the design, but this can be confusing for some because intelligent design doesn't necessary always point to the fact that Jehovah did it.  They just want to get people thinking about the fact there could be something more to us than being 'higher evolved monkeys',  the FDS also makes a distinction between what we believe and intelligent design as well in the creator book.  I'm mentioning it, just in case you ever get asked :P

 

 

Psalm 139:14-16

I shall laud you because in a fear‐inspiring way I am wonderfully made.
Your works are wonderful,
As my soul is very well aware.

15My bones were not hidden from you
When I was made in secret,
When I was woven in the lowest parts of the earth.

16Your eyes saw even the embryo of me,
And in your book all its parts were down in writing,
As regards the days when they were formed
And there was not yet one among them.

And.....just because this is my favorite of all songs in our song book I'll include it too:


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Cherene good topic! :thumbsup: it's one I could go on & on about... as well as most lovers of Jehovah could I suppose...i LOVE creation! from plant life to earth's cycles... how do birds know how & where & when to migrate... how do fish know to catch a ride on the gulf stream to cover great distances... how do our pores push water outward yet we can swim without drowning internally... and fish living on the ocean floor 'light up'?!

how does our brain interpret signals from our senses... and compute answers to problems or puzzles... and store memory?!

 

One day we will know the answers to ALL our questions, for there will never be an end to learning about the wonderful works of Jehovah: "...even time indefinite he has put in their heart, that mankind may never find out the work that the true God has made from the start to the finish." Eccl 3:11

 

Jewel, Sharon & Missy thanks to each of you for amazing pics!!  ><img src=<'>

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The thing that convinced me is the life from non-life conundrum:-

 

"Astronomer Robert Jastrow says: “To their chagrin [scientists] have no clear-cut answer, because chemists have never succeeded in reproducing nature’s experiments on the creation of life out of nonliving matter. Scientists do not know how that happened.”—The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe (New York, 1981), p. 19.

Evolutionist Loren Eiseley acknowledged: “After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past.”—The Immense Journey (New York, 1957), p. 199." - rs 121-122
 

"Evolutionists admit that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is 1 in 10113, or 1 followed by 113 zeros. That number is larger than the estimated total number of atoms in the universe!" - sh Modern Disbelief—Should the Search Continue.

 

"But any event that has one chance in 1050 is dismissed by mathematicians as never happening.

 

However, far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life to occur. For a cell to maintain its functions, some 2,000 different proteins are needed. What, then, is the probability of all of these happening at random? It is estimated that it is 1 in 1040,000, or 1 followed by 40,000 zeros! Are you willing to rest your faith on such an outrageously remote probability?" - pc Is There Really a Most High Creator.


astronomer Fred Hoyle wrote: “The entire structure of orthodox biology still holds that life arose at random. Yet as biochemists discover more and more about the awesome complexity of life, it is apparent that the chances of it originating by accident are so minute that they can be completely ruled out. Life cannot have arisen by chance.” - g92 4.22 The Search for a Purpose


"Paleontologist Alfred Romer wrote: “Below this [Cambrian period], there are vast thicknesses of sediments in which the progenitors of the Cambrian forms would be expected. But we do not find them; these older beds are almost barren of evidence of life, and the general picture could reasonably be said to be consistent with the idea of a special creation at the beginning of Cambrian times.”—Natural History, October 1959, p. 467.

 

Zoologist Harold Coffin states: “If progressive evolution from simple to complex is correct, the ancestors of these full-blown living creatures in the Cambrian should be found; but they have not been found and scientists admit there is little prospect of their ever being found. On the basis of the facts alone, on the basis of what is actually found in the earth, the theory of a sudden creative act in which the major forms of life were established fits best.”—Liberty, September/October 1975, p. 12" - rs Evolution

 

 

Creation mathematically makes more sense but is also supported by the evidence.

 

 

 


 

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Truly amazing information, thanks to all this input. A real interchange of encouagement.

A while back I was amazed at the complexity of DNA, and suddently it struck me...... We all know what DNA stands for, but as an acronym, I quite like D for Darwin, N for Never and A for Anticipated....... Yes Darwin NEVER anticipated DNA. If he had learned about DNA before he asserted all his baseless theories, he would never have dared venture into his theory of evolution and deny the existance of a highly intelligent Creator. Pity he passed before the discovery of DNA.

DNA, another testomy to Jehovah's great wisdom.

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I like the comparison Fred Hoyle made about the probability of chance that Simon referred above... He said it's the same probability as a group of 100 monkeys writing at random in a typewriter machine and when we group the results we have a complete Shakespeare play.... Who believes in that? But I think he even calculated the numbers and are the basically the same:

ZERO!

When Paul said that the magnificence of Creation was in front of our eyes (and it is) He couldn't imagine what was beyond of our eyes... To the biggest things and to the smallest. Now that we can reach our "eyes" to great beyond and to the tiniest particle, the sentence in Romans is even more astonishing! Where ever we look we found order and wisdom

One of the things I like to comment to house holders that pick this subject is one specific law of physics : the 2nd law of thermodynamics... It basically states that one closed system (without outside interference) has its level of desorder always growing, it's entropy

Well, the universe without God is such a system... And we don't see the chaos in the universe, only order... Beyond imagination!

So they are inexcusable!

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-The Sunset: No one is ever the same, the greatest work of art the world has ever known.

The gentle pink as it paints the landscape with its warm tones of pink and orange in the last moments before nightfall.

The dramatic red sun contrasting with the black silhouettes of the world.

The orange horizon that melts into the starlit night sky.

The final rays of sunlight that reach through the clouds at dusk.

-The Moon: Beautiful and Funcitonal.

The stabilizing effect on earths tilt, the tides. 400 times smaller than the sun and yet 400 times closer. The lunar eclipses. The phases of the moon. Its precision clockwork as it circles us as earth makes its own journey around the sun.

-The Stars and Space:

The vastness and scale of it all. That ability to make even the greatest among mankind feel small. The way they twinkle as its light finishes its long journey from its source all the way to the specs of dust known as humans. The movements of the planets. The order. The unexpected beauty of each and every celestial body.

-Humans:

Our ability to appreaciate the beauty of the world, to hear a song and shed a tear, to feel joy from simply seeing a flower, to feel, to love. Love, that bond that is by its very nature beautiful. Our capacity for deep thought, that desire to understand and to explore.

-On a more scientific note: Intelligent Design vs. Chance-

-The complexity of DNA:

The coding sequence that can store information efficiently, can be read easily, can be copied.

-The Fibonacci Sequence Found in Nature:

Mathematics is perfect. Yet at first glance Mathematics seems to be something invented by humans. A sort of system for taking count of things, and arising for that developed the ideas of multiplication and division, which gave rise to the many complexities of mathematics, along with its many quirks and patterns, not least of which the Fibonacci Sequence.

Then there is a twist in the plot.

Math already existed. All of it. Math was merely a discovery of humans, no doubt an incomplete one as knowledge continues to grow.

Proof? A prime example is the Fibonacci Sequence. A sequence of numbers that, as it progresses, comes closer and closer to defining something known as the golden angel. The significance? This golden angel is found everywhere in nature, along with Fibonacci numbers themeselves.

Now evolutionists expect me to believe that at some point absolutely no outside force caused all these things which all supposedly evolved separately to grow at the golden angle and to form in Fibonacci numbers. I am sorry but that is inexcusably foolish.

-Bees and Flowers:

Both are critical to the survival of the other, in a chicken and egg scenario, which came first?

Okay lets assume bee dependant flowers evolved first. But how did they evolve the need to rely on another species that doesn't yet exist?

Okay then maybe flower pollinating bees came first. But how did the bees evolve the ability to pollinate flowers that didnt yet exist?

In either case one would need the other to already exist.

Okay maybe they evolved at the same time?

But still how did the bee know it should start developing the ability, how did aboslutely no guiding force cause the bee to develop the nessecary body functions for pollination? If it happened over the course of many millennia as evolutionists hold then that makes absolutely no sense. Why would a bee develop non functioning body parts that only its far, far descendants would be able to use?

The same is true of the flower. So then perhaps it happens in a very short course of time so that the functions were instantly useful?

Well thats not evolution, saying that out of nowhere bang! And they have these abilities and functions. Let alone the fact that they would have to occur at the same time at the same place on the planet and for the bee to actually find the flower.

This scenario relates over and over throughout natures history.

-Female and Male: From where did they originate?

In a similar thought to the birds and the bees Evolution holds that at some point creature X went from being an organism that reproduces asexually to an organism that requires both male and female for reproduction.

Firstly creature X supposedly has no force motivating it to split into two genders. Survival of the fittest does not explain this, in fact it contradicts, for asexual organism is not hampered by having to locate a mate of the opposite sex to reproduce. So supposedly creature x just started evolving male reproductive abilities while somewhere else creature x started evolving female reproductive abilities. If this happened over the course of many millennia then it makes no sense, why would any organism start growing something that it has no use for and that somehow its offspring then furth develops and this goes on and on that each time for no reason each generation develops it more and more until suddenly it has a functioning reproductive ability. On the other hand it can't have just happened in one generation for this wouldnt constitute evolution, it would constitute some sort of force to create it.

In either case the process would have to happen twice, in both male and female, and it would have to happen at the same time at the same location and then the organisms would actually have to mate! Inexcusably foolish.

I could go on with many such examples.

-Water

Water is amazing. It breaks the rule of becoming more dense as it freezes and actually expands, causing ice to float, this marvellous quirk is more than just an oddity, it is essential to life, without this quirk, life could never exist. There are many other things but this is the most amazing thing about water for me.

-The Material of Which the Universe is Made

Where did dirt come from? Where did water come from? Where did Silver come from? Where did everything come from?

Of course its all made of different atoms which form molecules. But where do these atoms come from and what force combined them together to form the different elements? Well, if we are to believe atheists, in the beginning there was nothing and it went bang:

In this "big bang" the universe was created, sorry I mean it um wasnt created it was um, well something that doesn't involve creating, it was made...no that involves a maker, it was formed, well that involves someone to form it, um well anyway it happened and then among this happening there was no guiding force and all these atoms everywhere where chaos and then with the aid of no guiding force this chaos began to turn into order and it began to form the elements and eventually came to form the universe...with no guiding force and without any directive power. This flys in the face of a physics law that order naturally tends toward disorder. Did you notice...there was no guiding force.

-No Chance:

Also we often ask evolutionists if not an intelligent designer then blind chance cause it, but we must remember that it is just that, blind. Chance is not a motivating or guiding force. Chance relies on the actions of an external factors. Such as a 50/50 chance of a coin landing on heads, this all requires first a coin, second for it to be dropped, three for gravity to make it fall. Chance didn't do anything, chance is merely abstract. Chance possibilty of something causing something, not the actual cause.

I often wondered why people just couldn't see it, its so obvious.

For one thing there are none so blind as those who don't wish to see (or can't be bothered opening their eyes). Sometimes this frustrates me, but I need to remember that in today's world light is out for darkness and darkness for light, belief in a creator is ridiculed as fairy tale and evolution is hailed as irrefutable fact. Though babylon and her many religions with their false teachings about creation dont make it easy. But it just makes me want to preach all the more. I thank Jehovah for all the teaching he provides. Jehovah's Witnesses are not a blind faith religion like so many.

Now I just want to go witnessing but its 11:00. at night. I'm super excited for field tomorrow though. Thanks.

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Ahhhh that was such a beautiful mental journey. Thanks so much for that post. WOW ! So many brilliant thoughts. I am also amazed by the spider and its web. A delicate little creature with a minute brain is able to construct an intricately beautiful masterpiece. Jehovah is AWESOME......

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Blood ...

 

When you are injured it is blood that does the repair. It goes something like this ...

 

You get a part (organ, finger, leg, head) cut or smashed. It bleeds. That begins the cleaning process of the injured area.

 

Next come clotting. On the outside of the body we call it a scab, but it also occurs on the inside to an injured organ.

 

Next comes stitching/knitting. This is when the actual damage to the injury really starts coming together.

 

Next is membrane ... the stitching begins to turn into membrane that matches the injured area.

 

This culminates in the damage being repaired to the correct specification. By this I refer to the fact that whatever part was damaged, it is repaired to be the same part.

 

Think about it ... the blood became part of a kidney or liver or skin or whatever was being repaired. When the liver is damaged a finger does not grow in as part of the liver. If you smash, bruise or cut a finger you do not heal having some other body part grow in place of the injured finger.

 

A substance like blood that becomes whatever it needs to become could not have just happened ... it is too well designed.

 

And, to top it off, even though man has tried, tried and tried, he has not yet developed/created a viable artificial blood that will do ALL the things blood does.

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-The complexity of DNA:

The coding sequence that can store information efficiently, can be read easily, can be copied.

DNA practically screams, hello I was designed.  3 billion base pairs with less than a 1% error rate?  Machinery which assembles to check the strand for errors, enzymes to cut the strands that aren't in the correct G-C, A-T orientation, enzymes to unzip and unfold it....  sure this all just arose by chance.  LOL

I often wondered why people just couldn't see it, its so obvious.

For one thing there are none so blind as those who don't wish to see (or can't be bothered opening their eyes). Sometimes this frustrates me, but I need to remember that in today's world light is out for darkness and darkness for light, belief in a creator is ridiculed as fairy tale and evolution is hailed as irrefutable fact. Though babylon and her many religions with their false teachings about creation dont make it easy. But it just makes me want to preach all the more. I thank Jehovah for all the teaching he provides. Jehovah's Witnesses are not a blind faith religion like so many.

 

I had wondered why they couldn't either, but when I learned the scripture which speaks of these ones being blinded, it began to make sense.  

 

Indeed we are not blind.  Many creationists believe in a literal young earth, the bible does not even support this thought.  Jehovah has consistently provided us with information that we need to know.  He's given us a clear basis on which to form the foundation of our belief.  

Now I just want to go witnessing but its 11:00. at night. I'm super excited for field tomorrow though. Thanks.  This made me laugh out loud!  LOL  Hope you had fun!

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Interesting article:

"Plants do math to get through the night

The calculation allows them to use up their starch reserves at a constant rate so that they run out almost precisely at dawn.“This is the first concrete example in a fundamental biological process of such a sophisticated arithmetic calculation.” said mathematical modeller Professor Martin Howard ..."

http://earthsky.org/uncategorized/plants-do-math-to-get-through-the-night

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Hi everyone. 

 

Not sure of the source or validity of this, but it still makes an interesting read. 

 

GOD vs. Science
A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, 'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'
'Absolutely.'

'Is God good?'
'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Yes.'

'Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good...!'
'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent.

'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
'Er...yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son.. Is there evil in this world?'
'Yes, sir.'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes.'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'Yes.'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'
'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

At the back of the room another student stands quietly for a moment before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'

'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'

'And is there such a thing as cold?'
'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.'

'Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.'

'In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'

'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'

'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.'

The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter.

'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.'

'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.

 

Romans 1:20

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There's a great documentary on this subject with the comedian Ben Stein as the moderator http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-BDc3wu81U.  My favorite part is at the end when he debates Richard Dawkins, world renown atheist.  Dawkins goes on about the "big bang" and Stein asks what cause the "bang".  Of course Dawkins replies he doesn't know.  Stein submits that if Dawkins doesn't know, why can't it be "God".  Dawkins' response basically is, "I don't know what it is but dog-gone-it, I know what it ain't!!!   :lol1: 

 

I guess what convinces me that there is a God is Paul's simple statement, (Hebrews 3:4) 4 "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God."  Human arrogance moves mankind to shower themselves with all kinds of accolades, awards and recognition.  Can you image someone saying that the computer operating system Windows wasn't created by anyone?  It just appears on desktop computers unbeknownst to anyone.  It's just always there when every you turn on a computer.  Can you image not paying someone for the inventions of the last 100 years because no one made that stuff.  It's just always here when we need it.  If we can be so impressed with accomplishments of imperfect humans and things they've made, how can anyone possibly say, "no one made humans or the human brain".  That idea is truly an affront to all logic (Psalm 53:1) . . .The senseless one has said in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.. . ."

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So many things... Creatio Ex Nihilo, The KALAM Cosmological Arguement

 

 

As Nobel Prize-winner Arno Penzias said about the Big Bang, "The best data we have are exactly what I would have predicted had I nothing to go on but the first five books of Moses, the Psalms and the Bible as a whole."

 

Just a little something that was interesting to me was Hawking's the "imaginary numbers" he used and admitted to using in his Brief History of Time. "They are multiples of the square root of negative one," which you can use as a model to "grease" the equations to get the results you want however when you want to have that science established as fact you have to convert them into real ones. Hawkings refuses to convert them. He just wants to keep everything in the imaginary realm. And what happens, you might ask, when you convert those numbers into real ones? The singularity reappears...(the big bang)  it's really there the whole time but it's hiding behind Hawking's imaginary numbers - - -

At least he admitted it in his next book in small print :) So basically he was saying I used numbers to hide the big bang but if you look at his website it still implies that the universe was completely determined by the laws of science.

 

For me it was more about the lies and coverups going on in science that started opening my eyes to the truth in that area of learning.

 

Errr.. and also flagellum. It's irreducibly complex.

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