Warning! Public schools are teaching what!!

[EccentricM]

20 minutes ago, Thesauron said:

Pedo ring theories, especially among people of power, are very popular, and perpetuated most avidly by people of another political persuasion. There’s the infamous case with Jeffrey Epstein, who happened to “commit suicide’ when nobody was watching. Is there any truth to those accusation? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. Will we know the truth any time soon? Unlikely. Some pedo rings have existed, I grant you that, but to go from there to having entire businesses risk everything to cater to a rather small and marginalised group, is not sensible, and probably not true.

True, true... but.. can you prove otherwise that the claims "are not" true? Because what I saw was quite frankly condeming. One term and link lead was shown to lead to the other. Certain innocent images of children when clicked on, lead to other sites, which in turn lead to some very sick places, and specific names were linked to certain ones as well. But not all of these people involved in these claimed rings were famous either, it's not a slander party against specific individuals, it may hint, but it doesn't say "so and so is a pedo and I will prove it".

 

All I'm saying is that the direct evidence is there for this stuff, and IF big people are involved, well of course they're going to try and make it look like a crazy conspiracy, but are we forgetting the whole world is "in the power of the wicked one"? That false religion seems to be constantly having pedo problems (and have for thousands of years)? Why would the WORLD's governments be any more innocent if the same Satanic force is behind this "whole" system?

 

Now, I'm open to evidence to prove the documentary wrong, and I've "looked" for it, I've looked for debunks, but have found none, beyond a couple mainstream sources merely "calling it" a conspiracy, with no addtional evidence to actually counter what was shown.  Nobody has been able to touch it, or prove it wrong.

Edited September 5, 2020 by EccentricM

[EccentricM]

Well, isn't this typical. I just went to find the link of where I watched the documentary which was a public video...

 

 

That's just even more suspect to me now. "Everywhere" this gets posted it vanishes or is deleted. Seems to me certain people don't want this stuff to be known.

Edited September 5, 2020 by EccentricM

[Thesauron]

Well, isn't this typical. I just went to find the link of where I watched the documentary which was a public video...
 

 
That's just even more suspect to me now. "Everywhere" this gets posted it vanishes or is deleted. Seems to me certain people don't want this stuff to be known.

Or, it is the kind of fake news that some sites don’t want to spread.

[EccentricM]

14 minutes ago, Thesauron said:

Or, it is the kind of fake news that some sites don’t want to spread.

Websites like vimeo or YT don't tend to be bothered about what videos are posted on their sites, as long as it doesn't break specific content rules, such as adult x rated content, etc. Vimeo is even less strict that YT (they even allow pornographic content), and that's saying something. Other than that, these specific video sites could care less if you posted slander, lies or alike. Hundreds of channels every day on these sites make tons of revenue from posting wacky videos, offensive content, conspiracies, drama and lies. So, IF this video was such... that would not get it removed.

 

When something is taken down and it doesn't break those specific rules (such as showing murder, or real explicit and uncensored sex/porn), it's usually because someone on the outside requested it based on either copyright claims or reporting "offensive content". Either that or someone with money or influence can get things taken down at leisure if it suits them.

Edited September 5, 2020 by EccentricM

[Thesauron]

Websites like vimeo or YT don't tend to be bothered about what videos are posted on their sites, as long as it doesn't break specific content rules, such as adult x rated content, etc. Vimeo is even less strict that YT (they even allow pornographic content), and that's saying something. Other than that, these specific video sites could care less if you posted slander, lies or alike. Hundreds of channels every day on these sites make tons of revenue from posting wacky videos, offensive content, conspiracies, drama and lies. So, IF this video was such... that would not get it removed.  

When something is taken down and it doesn't break those specific rules (such as showing murder, or real explicit and uncensored sex/porn), it's usually because someone on the outside requested it based on either copyright claims or reporting "offensive content". Either that or someone with money or influence can get things taken down at leisure if it suits them.

 

There are plenty of groups who investigate fake news videos and articles and request them to be taken down now and then. They feel it should not be spread as truths. Some sites take a different approach and add a banner or alike linking to articles explaining why something is considered fake news. It brought a grand storm when Twitter began to do this to some posts made by the US President Donald Trump. But you are correct that some sites don’t care much about what their users spread.

 

[EccentricM]

11 minutes ago, Thesauron said:

There are plenty of groups who investigate fake news videos and articles and request them to be taken down now and then. They don’t feel it should be spread as truths. Some sites take a different approach and add a banner or alike linking to articles explaining why something is considered fake news. It brought a grand storm when Twitter began to do this to some posts made by the US President Donald Trump. But you are correct that some sites don’t care much about what their users spread.

That's just it, you're mislabeling the entire video without even seeing it, "assuming" what content is in there. It makes no statements, it doesn't accuse, it's not political, it investigates and suggests, whilst showcasing evidence of "confirmed" child sex abusers who were arrested and tied to such accused rings, sites and groups, and focuses more on corporations, companies, religions and rich groups, and doesn't even target or suggest anything in regards toward active politicians or current government leaders. There is nothing there that someone could justifty taking it down, and yet "wherever" this video is posted to the furthest reaches of the internet, it's taken down in a matter of weeks.

 

No part inside you at all, doesn't find all this, just "a little" suspect at all?

Edited September 5, 2020 by EccentricM

[Thesauron]

That's just it, you're mislabeling the entire video without even seeing it, "assuming" what content is in there. It makes no statements, it doesn't accuse, it's not political, it investigates and suggests, whilst showcasing evidence of "confirmed" child sex abusers who were arrested and tied to such accused rings, sites and groups. There is nothing there that someone could justifty taking it down, and yet "wherever" this video is posted to the furthest reaches of the internet, it's taken down in a matter of weeks.
 
No part inside you at all, doesn't find all this, just "a little" suspect at all?

You have to understand that the subject is common within conspiracy theory groups. So, yes, there is a “foil hat” warning to the entire discussion.

[EccentricM]

Just now, Thesauron said:

You have to understand that the subject is common within conspiracy theory groups. So, yes, there is a “foil hat” warning to the entire discussion.

I even stated that myself. But everything you say is based on a misconception of what the documentary was, what it contains, and how it hasn't even been debunked as of yet, only removed randomly with no statements as to why. I feel like I'm going around in circles trying to explain this.

 

I mean, I think it's just best to drop the subject here, because we're going nowhere, lol. I have my informed belief, and you can have what opinion you want all the same, but... without actually seeing it for yourself or actually proving it wrong, I can't say I approve of your immediate dismissal. 

[Thesauron]

I even stated that myself. But everything you say is based on a misconception of what the documentary was, what it contains, and how it hasn't even been debunked as of yet, only removed randomly with no statements as to why. I feel like I'm going around in circles trying to explain this.
 
I mean, I think it's just best to drop the subject here, because we're going nowhere, lol. I have my informed belief, and you can have what opinion you want all the same, but... without actually seeing it for yourself or actually proving it wrong, I can't say I approve of your immediate dismissal. 

My informed belief, mind you, not opinion, is based on the very same fact that I base my belief on that I do not have to watch every single documentary and read every book on the trinity to say that it is probably wrong too. It is not an immediate dismissal. It is after years of encountering theories like these. So I asked, have you seen the site that was taken down. You had not. So you don’t know what it was about, or if it even existed. To which I said, it is highly unlikely that a business would cater to a small, marginalised group, and risk getting targeted by law enforcement.

[BenJepthah]

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      Just to get this back on topic . This is an older story but I cannot discount that this will be taught in schools in the US in the near future.  It could prove to be. A new challenge to our flag salute stance : in the opposite direction. 

[BenJepthah]

8 minutes ago, Thesauron said:

o which I said, it is highly unlikely that a business would cater to a small, marginalised group, and risk getting targeted by law enforcement.

Small, marginalized group. You are referring to pedofiles? Perhaps Jeffery Epstein and Prince watshisface? Perhaps several US presidents? Yeah. I cannot imagine any company creating a side door in their webpage for those small marginalized people. Who may very well actually own such businesses through subsidiaries.  But I digress : OFF TOPIC.

[Shawnster]

8 hours ago, Qapla said:

The problem with creating a "private school" is you cannot have one that is ONLY JW's - that is "discriminatory" and you would not be able to teach our values since that would violate the "anti-hate" laws.

 

It is not like it used to be - they have made many things illegal that we used to be able to do.

Well, actually you can.  Sister Omoyeme brought this to our attention just this past May. 

 

http://www.newsystemschool.org/

 

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New System School, Inc. is a non-profit private school for children of Jehovah's Witnesses. For more information on Jehovah's Witnesses, please visit www.jw.org.

 

 

This school is ran by Jehovah's Witness parents and/or individuals catering to Witness children.  While it is not a religious ran school operated by the Organization, it definitely looks like a private school that has exclusively Witness students and apparently is completely legal.  This program has operated since 1980 and is based out of Tennessee with branches in several other states.

 

  I'm not sure of the mechanics involved, but an elder in my congregation here in Ohio  did the same thing for his grandchildren and a couple of other Witness children.  I think there were about 8 or 10 students, all Witnesses.  Completely legal.  

 

 

Edited September 5, 2020 by Shawnster

[Thesauron]

A good school expects all parents to do their job, an excellent school knows that not every parent does. That is why many societies has tasked schools with shaping its citizens when parents don’t or can’t.

[M.J.]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Well, actually you can.  Sister Omoyeme brought this to our attention just this past May. 

 

http://www.newsystemschool.org/

 

 

 

This school is ran by Jehovah's Witness parents and/or individuals catering to Witness children.  While it is not a religious ran school operated by the Organization, it definitely looks like a private school that has exclusively Witness students and apparently is completely legal.  This program has operated since 1980 and is based out of Tennessee with branches in several other states.

 

  I'm not sure of the mechanics involved, but an elder in my congregation here in Ohio  did the same thing for his grandchildren and a couple of other Witness children.  I think there were about 8 or 10 students, all Witnesses.  Completely legal.  

 

 

Just looked at the website, and all I can say is I am so dissapointed. This school is not setup to teach academics. They are simply using their status as a school as a cover in order to teach more theocratic information. They do not even have a curriculum displayed,  just saying it's flexible to the individual....

 

This is exactly why homeschooling gets a bad name.  I knew several young ones being home schooled while growing up,  and their parents just made them preach all day. They didn't know basic stuff like their multiplication and would get teased by their peers.

 

Studying theocratic literature for homeschool only serves to play into the hands of opposers. There is a time and a place for everything.

[Shawnster]

33 minutes ago, M.J. said:

Just looked at the website, and all I can say is I am so dissapointed. This school is not setup to teach academics. They are simply using their status as a school as a cover in order to teach more theocratic information. They do not even have a curriculum displayed,  just saying it's flexible to the individual....

I don't understand how you were able to reach this conclusion without seeing the school's syllabus. 

 

I don't believe it's possible to critique their educational quality by their website.  The site appears to be a marketing tool to reassure people the school strives to work in harmony with the Organization. 

37 minutes ago, M.J. said:

Studying theocratic literature for homeschool only serves to play into the hands of opposers. There is a time and a place for everything.

Does the website state education materials is completely limited to theocratic literature? 

[M.J.]

2 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

I don't understand how you were able to reach this conclusion without seeing the school's syllabus. 

 

I don't believe it's possible to critique their educational quality by their website.  The site appears to be a marketing tool to reassure people the school strives to work in harmony with the Organization. 

Does the website state education materials is completely limited to theocratic literature? 

I just looked at their website, and as I stated, I am not impressed.

They give no clearly defined information about academic instruction or standards to be met.

They use YPA book as part of curriculum.

And it seems that if you transfer back into a High school, the credits may or may not transfer.

Just take a look at the website for yourself.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, M.J. said:

I just looked at their website, and as I stated, I am not impressed.

They give no clearly defined information about academic instruction or standards to be met.

They use YPA book as part of curriculum.

And it seems that if you transfer back into a High school, the credits may or may not transfer.

Just take a look at the website for yourself.

I did.  I'm simply saying I would need more information before I could agree with the conclusion you've reached.  You might be correct in your assessment.  I just feel there is not enough information to make that judgement.  

[Shawnster]

Nothing wrong with using the YPA book as part of the curriculum.  Nothing at all.  

 

I see from their website they include as part of their curriculum a wide range of subjects that our publications do not cover, such as math, language arts, fine arts, or physical education.  I'm curious what other materials they use.  

[M.J.]

39 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Nothing wrong with using the YPA book as part of the curriculum.  Nothing at all.  

Well let me put it this way.  They take the time to specify the use of the theocratic YPA book, yet there are no specifics about what academic manuals or books they will be using. No mention at all. No explanation about what benchmarks of achievement they need to meet to ensure that some kind of basic standards are being met. Instead they say you can tailor your learning to individual needs...!?!?...In reality, we all need to have a minimal level of basic education that everyone should know. 

 

Maybe they exist, and it's poor marketing.

Edited September 5, 2020 by M.J.

[Amygdala]

This school appears more of an alternative, montesorri concept type of schooling. It appears that in addition to being pro-Witness, the school is aimed at teaching according to the individual interests, strengths or needs of the child. I am familiar with alternative, montesorri, Waldorf, or private schooling as we looked into it and even tried it at a free-alternative school for 3 weeks when our daughter was in first grade. It was too "free-style" for us though, and our daughter is fine with a normal, structured environment, and very motivated to do well in school. Her teacher suggested that she could skip the grade to the next, but we decided against it.

 

The advantage of private schooling (which this school claims) are smaller class sizes, and for some children, it can give them personalized learning "structured" type of environment; catered to excelling in learning, and even perhaps faster than mainstream schooling, which doesn't take the individual learning needs of children into account. Public schools have more of a cookie cutter, one size fits all learning philosophy. Some kids excel better in math, or English, or history, or science, social studies, or music, etc. When a child forms an interest in something, he or she can actually flourish and learn at a better rate than kids who are left to the standard to learn. For kids with ADHD this can be very difficult and demoralizing. I have seen 2 kids already set back a year in school, and now are in my daughter`s class, and these boys can't help but creating a very chaotic, unruly environment.

 

But this school is not homeschooling, but has a real curriculum of learning in a private school setting environment. According to their website:

 

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Language Arts, including communication and reading skills, Math, Science, and Social Studies (including History and Geography) form the central curriculum. Life skills and preparation for the career of their choice, trades, family responsibilities, and single life preparation skills are all provided.

 

 

This school avoids all the pitfalls of holiday pagan or nationalistic celebrations. Here in Germany, Catholic holidays and Christmas are real themes in the schools here. Including attending Catholic worship in the schools!! There are Catholic holidays ingrained into school education, including pagan carneval celebrations where the children are required to be in school. It's just one big party where kids dress up in costumes and engage in their Catholic celbration, sort of like Halloween style. Very tough for our young ones in school here in Germany.  I would love to let my daughter be free of this environment, not worry about the pressures of not engaging in such false religious worship. The cloak carneval or St.Martin celebrations as part of school education. Puh-leese. Let the kids just learn academics, and not force them into pagan rituals. How wonderful to have our kids around other kids who have the same goals and beliefs in life, while learning in a proper educational environment.

[Amygdala]

I think my daughter's teacher suggested she skip the grade because at alternative school she attended, she was allowed to learn math at her level - which she did fast, and completed the activities already for higher grades. So I definitely see the benefits of a montesorri type education, let the child learn on their level, environment.

Edited September 5, 2020 by Lieblingskind

[Qapla]

My married daughter is using a home school program - it runs $20 month. It seems to be fairly comprehensive and so far is working out just fine.

 

Several years back one of the families in our Hall started their own school so their daughters could be home schooled (at that time the State did not offer remote learning). In chartering the school she found that they "had" to except entrance applications from non-JW's, according to law. They also could not turn someone down based solely on religious beliefs and/or sexual orientation.

 

With today's "inclusive/tolerant" society I would be hesitant to start such a school due to the intolerance of those who insist on tolerance. It is very likely one would be required to teach gender neutrality even in a private school.

[Pjdriver]

When my son was in elementary school, we tried a year in a private school JWs only. But it was not a large class, and parents would volunteer as much as they could to aid the teacher. Wasn’t bad, but we ended up moving from that area.

Also, heads up, .....I wouldn’t assume all the children attending one of these schools is good association. 

 

[Shawnster]

30 minutes ago, Pjdriver said:

 

Also, heads up, .....I wouldn’t assume all the children attending one of these schools is good association. 

 

But then, neither are all the children who attend the Kingdom Hall, so... 

[Amygdala]

10 hours ago, Lieblingskind said:

I am familiar with alternative, montesorri, Waldorf, or private schooling as we looked into it and even tried it at a free-alternative school for 3 weeks when our daughter was in first grade.

Correction - 6 weeks. Uh oh...memory is starting to go. 🤪