Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[computerwiz]

18 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

The Constitution has been amended several times. Sometimes one amendment has overturned a previous amendment. All that needs to happen is pass an amendment that overturns freedom of religion. 

 

Or pass laws that blatantly violate the Constitution that go unchallenged. 

 

I'm leaning toward an amendment. 

 

When there's a "threat to national security", it doesn't matter what laws are in place.  All we need is for religion to be declared a "threat" for some reason, and the US can do whatever it wants.  It can happen very quickly...

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, chuck83 said:

You’re right... it is a solid "legal" document. But that’s really all it is. It offers no transformation, no healing, and no moral clarity.

Well, yeah. It's a law document, not the inspired writings of God. 

[ethancgrant]

4 hours ago, Dark King said:

Also the Russian Orthodox church and Christian conservatives here in the United States has been working together for over 20 years to unite the Russian government and Christian conservative government here in the United States. Together these elements want peace. 

 

This is just my opinion. 

 

 

To me this is some kind of demonic influence trying to change Bible prophecy dealing with the King of the North and King of the South.

 

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/splitting-russia-from-china-is-possible-and-vital/

Can demons really influence the world to go against bible and prophecy?

 

If so that adds an interesting twist…

[Dark King]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Any instances come to mind? 

Iraq war first and second and Afghanistan war and the Iran nuclear deal. 

 

This has been a hot 🔥 🥵 issue for quite some time when the United States president is bypassing Congress when dealing with the UN security council and wars.

 

From the article below: 

 

There was no declaration of war against Iraq, although the Constitution gave that power to Congress in its Article I. Congress has not declared war on anyone since 1942, nor has any president asked it to. But there have been long and bloody wars in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq – not to mention hundreds of strikes using drones, missiles and "special forces" (the exact number is not known).

 

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/25/1165953799/congress-repeal-iraq-war-aumf-vietnam

[Shawnster]

I didn't see any reference to the UN in that article. I might have missed it.  

 

44 minutes ago, Dark King said:

Iraq war first and second and Afghanistan war and the Iran nuclear deal. 

 

 

Are these cases of the US being manipulated by or doing the will if the UN in disregard the Constitution or are these examples of the UN going along with decisions made by the US? In other words, who was in the driver's seat, the US or UN? 

 

Regardless, yes, the Executive Branch of the US has and will circumvent the Constitution. That's why the Supreme Court has power to overrule the Executive Branch. 

 

Of course all those checks and balances will not save Babylon the Great.  In fact, those checks and balances may all support giving UN power. 

[Doug]

1 hour ago, computerwiz said:

 

 All we need is for religion to be declared a "threat" for some reason, and the US can do whatever it wants.  It can happen very quickly...

 

And it can be regarded as a threat if it can be shown that religion is just a cover for a political activist or terrorist organization.  Then it really isn't a religion in the sense the Constitution held it to be.  All bets are off at that point.  They don't qualify for that constitutional protection.  As a disqualified entity, they would also lose tax exemption.

Wouldn't it be awesome if DOGE took a hard look at tax exempt status of churches?  For example, does this church endorse one candidate over another during an election?

[Áine]

5 hours ago, Dark King said:

If you listen to brother Jackson's talk at the annual meeting. Listen very carefully about the UN and the one thought he's talking about being caught off guard if you listen to it very carefully. In context, he's saying that people who are not keeping on the watch would be called off guard, but he's encouraging us to keep on the watch and then we won't be caught sleeping and not be caught off guard. Pay attention to it very carefully and you will see. He's saying some people will be caught off guard but the people who are keeping on the watch would not be caught off guard with the one thought happens. They will totally understand what's happening at that time of the one thought.

This is fast becoming my favourite talk and like you said it pays to listen very careful and several times in order to get the full understanding of what he is actually saying 

[Tortuga]

58 minutes ago, Áine said:

This is fast becoming my favourite talk and like you said it pays to listen very careful and several times in order to get the full understanding of what he is actually saying 

I was really hoping to see a WT study article about his talk, but I don't see one yet.

[Dark King]

3 hours ago, ethancgrant said:

Can demons really influence the world to go against bible and prophecy?

 

If so that adds an interesting twist…

*** dp chap. 12 p. 205 Strengthened by a Messenger From God ***

Does this mean that Jehovah also appointed angels over such nations as Persia and Greece to guide them in their affairs? Well, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, openly stated: “The ruler of the world . . . has no hold on me.” Jesus also said: “My kingdom is no part of this world . . . my kingdom is not from this source.” (John 14:30; 18:36) The apostle John declared that “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) It is clear that the nations of the world never were and are not now under the guidance or rulership of God or Christ. While Jehovah permits “the superior authorities” to exist and maintain control of earthly governmental affairs, he does not appoint his angels over them. (Romans 13:1-7) Any “princes” or “rulers” over them could be placed there only by “the ruler of the world,” Satan the Devil. They would have to be demonic rulers rather than angelic guardians. There are, then, invisible demonic forces, or “princes,” behind the visible rulers, and national conflicts involve more than mere humans.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1101999031&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=60

[Dark King]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Are these cases of the US being manipulated by or doing the will if the UN in disregard the Constitution or are these examples of the UN going along with decisions made by the US? In other words, who was in the driver's seat, the US or UN? 

 

The angle of America world power gives breath of Life and power to the UN. It controls the UN. This is in our literature since before the UN was created.

 

 

*** mwb19 December p. 4 Do Not Fear the Fearsome Beasts ***
Understanding the identity of the beasts of Revelation chapter 13 helps us to avoid fearing them or following them with admiration as mankind in general does.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=202019448&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=4

 

 

(Revelation 13:12) 12 It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first wild beast, whose mortal wound was healed.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=66013012&srcid=share

[Dark King]

In pioneer school, my circuit overseer at the time brought out that the organization has identified certain wars throughout human history that point to the demon's influence trying to stop Bible prophecy. One war was the American civil war and Gettysburg is known as the most haunted place in America. And yes at Gettysburg that is when the tide turned when the north started defeating the South. If the South had won the civil war, then the anglo-american power could possibly have not come into assistance. Our Jehovah could have used something else, but at Gettysburg it seemed like an angel turned the tides and made the north win the civil war. This was brought out in pioneer school.

[Dark King]

1 hour ago, Áine said:

This is fast becoming my favourite talk and like you said it pays to listen very careful and several times in order to get the full understanding of what he is actually saying 

Sometimes I can tell certain government body members do some kind of encrypted message. I think it's what it seems like to me. You got to pay very close attention and you got to be a studious study of the Bible and the organization literature to understand fully what they're talking about sometimes.

 

I guess they're trying to hide things from the intellectual ones and reveal them to babes. Lol 🤣 

[Doug]

10 minutes ago, Dark King said:

Sometimes I can tell certain government body members do some kind of encrypted message. 

 

I think the transcript would be approved before the talk is given, especially when "new light" is included. And I believe the wording is carefully considered so as not to be vague but also not to be immodestly grand.

 

[Dark King]

4 minutes ago, Doug said:

think the transcript would be approved before the talk is given, especially when "new light" is included. And I believe the wording is carefully considered so as not to be vague but also not to be immodestly grand.

Yes, you're right. Thanks much appreciated.

[Tortuga]

21 minutes ago, Dark King said:

Sometimes I can tell certain government body members do some kind of encrypted message. I think it's what it seems like to me. You got to pay very close attention and you got to be a studious study of the Bible and the organization literature to understand fully what they're talking about sometimes.

 

I guess they're trying to hide things from the intellectual ones and reveal them to babes. Lol 🤣 

How is that consistent with the FDS responsibility to feed all of Jehovah's sheep? 

[Shawnster]

34 minutes ago, Dark King said:

The angle of America world power gives breath of Life and power to the UN. It controls the UN. This is in our literature since before the UN was created.

I don't recall reading the Anglo American world power controls the UN. Do you have a reference that states this? 

Edited Tuesday at 11:29 PM by Shawnster

[Dark King]

1 minute ago, Tortuga said:

How is that consistent with the FDS responsibility to feed all of Jehovah's sheep? 

You're right, I'm wrong. Just me kidding around. Please 🥺 don't take me to serious.

[Dark King]

37 minutes ago, Dark King said:

Revelation 13:12) 12 It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first wild beast, whose mortal wound was healed.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=66013012&srcid=share

 

2 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

37 minutes ago, Dark King said:

The angle of America world power gives breath of Life and power to the UN. It controls the UN. This is in our literature since before the UN was created.

I don't recall reading the Anglo American world power controls the UN. Do you have a reference that states this? 

Edited 1 minute ago by Shawnster

Look at the top Scripture. 

[Tortuga]

31 minutes ago, Dark King said:

In pioneer school, my circuit overseer at the time brought out that the organization has identified certain wars throughout human history that point to the demon's influence trying to stop Bible prophecy. One war was the American civil war and Gettysburg is known as the most haunted place in America. And yes at Gettysburg that is when the tide turned when the north started defeating the South. If the South had won the civil war, then the anglo-american power could possibly have not come into assistance. Our Jehovah could have used something else, but at Gettysburg it seemed like an angel turned the tides and made the north win the civil war. This was brought out in pioneer school.

I haven't heard that before. What year was that information included in the Pioneer school?

[Dark King]

1 minute ago, Tortuga said:

33 minutes ago, Dark King said:

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I haven't heard that before. What year was that information included in the Pioneer school?

It either 2009 or 2010 is when I went. And head this information.

[Richie]

12 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

I don't recall reading the Anglo American world power controls the UN. Do you have a reference that states this? 

Check Revelation book

[Dark King]

14 minutes ago, Dark King said:

It either 2009 or 2010 is when I went. And head this information.

Paul Moskey was my circuit overseer at the time. I think he was in the circuit work for over 50 years. My understanding before he died.

[New World Explorer]

3 hours ago, Dark King said:

In pioneer school, my circuit overseer at the time brought out that the organization has identified certain wars throughout human history that point to the demon's influence trying to stop Bible prophecy. One war was the American civil war and Gettysburg is known as the most haunted place in America. And yes at Gettysburg that is when the tide turned when the north started defeating the South. If the South had won the civil war, then the anglo-american power could possibly have not come into assistance. Our Jehovah could have used something else, but at Gettysburg it seemed like an angel turned the tides and made the north win the civil war. This was brought out in pioneer school.

Such a manipulation would give Satan opportunity to complain against Jehovah and why he is “meddling” in earthly affairs… so I do not subscribe to above comments. I simply view that Jehovah foresaw future events and unfolded his purpose accordingly. (I don’t see an angelic Doctor Who with a screw driver fixing a timeline) 

[Shawnster]

History is full of attempts of Satan trying to derail Jehovah's prophecies and purposes. The murder of all the male babies 2 and under in Matthew is just one example. 

 

His attempts were thwarted every time and will be thwarted every time. 

[Dages]

1 hour ago, New World Explorer said:

Such a manipulation would give Satan opportunity to complain against Jehovah and why he is “meddling” in earthly affairs

Jesus coming down to Earth is "meddling" enough
Jehovah has fully the right to act in the Creation.