Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Jimi-L]

3 hours ago, Osprey said:

When thinking about this for years now it seemed to me that declaring P&S could be a very logical step after destruction of BtG. I mostly kept it to myself because it was not supported in publications. Now it seems this becomes officially one of possible options. Interesting indeed.

It is clear that 1 Thessalonians 5:3 is not sufficient to determine when this declaring will happen, before or after the destruction of BtG. I do not see this as very revolutionary. It could be either way. This only serves to emphasize that it is pointless to look to world events for signs of when the end will come. It is impossible to know whether this or that conflict will lead to this P&S declaration or whether this or that could be the reason for the UN finally gaining the power of the kings of the earth. We are much happier as we focus on serving Jehovah now, waiting for our ”God of salvation” (Psalm 25:5). 

Edited yesterday at 05:38 PM by Jimi-L

[LeolaRootStew]

There are too many false flags of the cry going back for decades for me to pay any attention to it at all. The UN getting power should be fairly obvious and the destruction of BtG will be undeniable. Those are the events I'm looking for - the cry is the cherry on top.

 

Also, the UN could get power very suddenly behind the scenes if they are trying to solve something like the global debt crisis, so I'm not even expecting a lead-up to the announcement.

 

I'm expecting the world to change overnight.

[Cushi]

4 hours ago, navco said:

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The declaration of “peace and security” will be made shortly before the start of the great tribulation, which will begin with the destruction of Babylon the Great (all false religions). Our publications have also described this declaration as a sign that the great tribulation is about to begin.

However, after carefully analyzing this matter, it seems that this is only one of the possibilities. Another possibility is that the declaration of “peace and security” will be made after the destruction of false religion. Why? Let’s examine some reasons.

The involvement of false religion in wars

The Bible says: “In her [the ‘great prostitute,’ Babylon the Great] was found the blood... of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.” (Revelation 17:1, 5; 18:24) Throughout history, false religion has promoted wars and, many times, has been the cause of terrorist acts. Thus, it has contributed to wars and violence, not to peace and security. This raises the question: will the declaration of “peace and security” be made only after Babylon the Great is destroyed? Maybe, but we cannot say for sure.

What will happen after the declaration of “peace and security”?

Paul said: “Whenever it is that they are saying, ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them.” (1 Thessalonians 5:3) The study note on this verse says: “Here, Paul indicates that there will be little or no time between the proclamation of ‘peace and security’ and the destruction of those making that proclamation. The destruction will come suddenly, and there will be no escape.”

So, it is possible that political governments will make the declaration of “peace and security” after false religion has been destroyed and that soon afterward they will suffer sudden destruction.

Jehovah’s people’s reaction when these things happen

Paul said: “You, brothers, are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you like a thief.” (1 Thessalonians 5:4) If the declaration of “peace and security” is made after the destruction of false religion, then Jehovah’s people will know that the destruction of political governments is about to occur. As for political rulers, once they have made the declaration of “peace and security” and are feeling safe, destruction will come upon them suddenly, like a thief in the night — that is, unexpectedly and without warning. — 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

So, what do we know? We know that, in the near future, the “ten horns” and the “wild beast” will receive power from God to destroy false religion. This will mark the beginning of the great tribulation. We also know that at some point there will be a declaration of “peace and security.” When will that be? We are talking about two possible moments: the first is before the destruction of false religion, and the second is after false religion has been completely destroyed. Either way, we will have to wait and see what happens. The prophecies in the Bible are fully understood only as they are being fulfilled or after they are fulfilled. — See also John 12:16.

What is most important right now is not when the declaration of “peace and security” will be made, but that we continue to be loyal to God. We must stay alert and keep our senses, so that we are prepared not only for that event but also for everything that will happen as the prophecies continue to be fulfilled in the future. — 1 Thessalonians 5:6.

(February 2026)

Thank you so much for this. The possibility of it happening after the destruction of false religion makes sense because I've always thought that in order for the destruction to occur instantly up them and none of them escape, all of the politicians and religious leaders would have to be destroyed during the GT. But the Bible reveals that won't happen because the nations leaders will still be around to organize an attack on Jehovah’s people and many religious leaders will still be alive to call Jesus “Lord” and beg for mercy when he arrives. That would divide the destruction into two phases. But Paul, under inspiration, seems to be referring to one final destruction. 

Of course, we don't know for sure, but if the proclamation of peace and security happens after the GT begins, then all will be destroyed at the same time, leaving none to survive.

[ucastrobr]

Thanks the brother give a spoiler about the future magazine February 2026

Two possibilities

1 - P&S before Btg
2 - P&G after Btg

he prophecies in the Bible are fully understood only as they are being fulfilled or after they are fulfilled. — See also John 12:16.What is most important right now is not when the declaration of "peace and security" will be made, but that we continue to be loyal to God. We must stay alert and keep our senses, so that we are prepared not only for that event but also for everything that will happen as the prophecies continue to be fulfilled in the future. — 1 Thessalonians 5:6.

[Dages]

6 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

 

 It quietly got started when these men start wearing dresses.

and rainbow

[Dhanyel]

So in about 50 years or more, the end will come 🤦🏻‍♂️

[Osprey]

15 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

So in about 50 years or more, the end will come 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

I'm confused. What in the recent discussion would point in that direction?

[Timl1980]

28 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

So in about 50 years or more, the end will come

 

Please refer back to this week's watchtower study regarding forgiveness...it might open your eyes a little.

 

Jehovah isn't interested in what WE think should or should not be the time of the end...he knows EXACTLY WHAT MOMENT will do the most good to EVERYONE...to finally pull the plug.

 

We have warnings...yes.

 

 

We are told to be watchful... absolutely!!

 

We have our own personal speculations and reasonings that mix with frustration and a lack of FULL understanding... ABSOLUTELY!!!

 

But does that mean we should endlessly continue to do the exact opposite of what Jesus himself SAID WE SHOULD DO??

 

Absolutely NOT!!

 

Our job is to SAVE LIVES... nothing else matters more than that.

 

Not even our own sanity...my brother.

 

You WANT TO KNOW WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN...HOW IT WILL HAPPEN??

 

AND THEN YOU GET FRUSTRATED THAT IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET???

 

Running ahead of the chariot sucks...it means you are seeing everyone and everything in a blur... because Jehovah isn't there yet. You are racing ahead of the chariot.

 

Congratulations...you just out ran jehovah.

 

But can YOU see...what HE sees?

 

No, so why are you ahead of him??

 

This is why I stay silent on subjects like this most of the time...because regardless of how tightly we attempt to rein in our own thoughts and feelings...we are inevitably doomed to attempt to outpace Jehovahs chariot...and we will most certainly fail.

 

I don't mean to cause offense to anyone...but everyone on this site has the serious responsibility to understand that THEIR COMMENTS have the real possibility to impact someone IN THAT MOMENT.

 

This subject in particular isn't about what any single individual "THINKS", no matter how much more educated than the rest of us they may be.

 

Jehovah knows what's up... he's fully aware of exactly where we are...and if anyone has to "guess"... I'd rather wait until Jehovah tells me what HE "thinks" will happen.

 

The absolute foolishness of that statement alone should have every single person whispering a prayer of apology to Jehovah...he doesn't NEED our thoughts or "feelings" on any subject...if he chooses to take something we say or think into consideration... AWESOME...but even that has absolutely ZERO bearing on you as a person... it's something Jehovah PUT in you.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Dhanyel said:

So in about 50 years or more, the end will come 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

Or sooner. 

 

Much sooner. 

[Dhanyel]

1 hour ago, Timl1980 said:

 

Please refer back to this week's watchtower study regarding forgiveness...it might open your eyes a little.

 

Jehovah isn't interested in what WE think should or should not be the time of the end...he knows EXACTLY WHAT MOMENT will do the most good to EVERYONE...to finally pull the plug.

 

We have warnings...yes.

 

 

We are told to be watchful... absolutely!!

 

We have our own personal speculations and reasonings that mix with frustration and a lack of FULL understanding... ABSOLUTELY!!!

 

But does that mean we should endlessly continue to do the exact opposite of what Jesus himself SAID WE SHOULD DO??

 

Absolutely NOT!!

 

Our job is to SAVE LIVES... nothing else matters more than that.

 

Not even our own sanity...my brother.

 

You WANT TO KNOW WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN...HOW IT WILL HAPPEN??

 

AND THEN YOU GET FRUSTRATED THAT IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET???

 

Running ahead of the chariot sucks...it means you are seeing everyone and everything in a blur... because Jehovah isn't there yet. You are racing ahead of the chariot.

 

Congratulations...you just out ran jehovah.

 

But can YOU see...what HE sees?

 

No, so why are you ahead of him??

 

This is why I stay silent on subjects like this most of the time...because regardless of how tightly we attempt to rein in our own thoughts and feelings...we are inevitably doomed to attempt to outpace Jehovahs chariot...and we will most certainly fail.

 

I don't mean to cause offense to anyone...but everyone on this site has the serious responsibility to understand that THEIR COMMENTS have the real possibility to impact someone IN THAT MOMENT.

 

This subject in particular isn't about what any single individual "THINKS", no matter how much more educated than the rest of us they may be.

 

Jehovah knows what's up... he's fully aware of exactly where we are...and if anyone has to "guess"... I'd rather wait until Jehovah tells me what HE "thinks" will happen.

 

The absolute foolishness of that statement alone should have every single person whispering a prayer of apology to Jehovah...he doesn't NEED our thoughts or "feelings" on any subject...if he chooses to take something we say or think into consideration... AWESOME...but even that has absolutely ZERO bearing on you as a person... it's something Jehovah PUT in you.

 I understand your point of view and deeply respect it. Indeed, Jehovah has perfect timing and wisdom, and trusting in that is essential to maintaining faith.

However, it’s also important to remember that He didn’t make us spiritual robots, but people with real feelings, limits, and anguish. Each person faces suffering differently — and that doesn’t mean “running ahead of the carriage,” but rather struggling to stay in it, even when wounded.

When Jesus was on earth, He didn’t ignore human pain. He wept with those who wept, felt compassion for the afflicted, and never rebuked anyone for expressing sadness, doubt, or weariness.

So, speaking about suffering, frustration, or waiting is not a lack of faith — it’s humanity. And recognizing that might be exactly what keeps someone from giving up.

Taking into account each person’s individuality, pain, and circumstances is not spiritual rebellion — it’s following Christ’s example: to listen, to welcome, and to understand before judging.

True faith doesn’t ignore suffering — it embraces it with empathy and trust in Jehovah God, knowing that every heart moves at its own pace on the path of hope.
 

[Timl1980]

3 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

I understand your point of view and deeply respect it. Indeed, Jehovah has perfect timing and wisdom, and trusting in that is essential to maintaining faith.

However, it’s also important to remember that He didn’t make us spiritual robots, but people with real feelings, limits, and anguish. Each person faces suffering differently — and that doesn’t mean “running ahead of the carriage,” but rather struggling to stay in it, even when wounded.

When Jesus was on earth, He didn’t ignore human pain. He wept with those who wept, felt compassion for the afflicted, and never rebuked anyone for expressing sadness, doubt, or weariness.

So, speaking about suffering, frustration, or waiting is not a lack of faith — it’s humanity. And recognizing that might be exactly what keeps someone from giving up.

Taking into account each person’s individuality, pain, and circumstances is not spiritual rebellion — it’s following Christ’s example: to listen, to welcome, and to understand before judging.

True faith doesn’t ignore suffering — it embraces it with empathy and trust in Jehovah God, knowing that every heart moves at its own pace on the path of hope.

 

Very very true!

 

When I commented last night, I was coming from a personal place of frustration more than anything else...so in rereading my message, I naturally once again feel embarrassed by my overreaction.

 

For that, I deeply apologize.

 

This is why I stay out of conversations like these, I have the natural tendency to hate running in circles in my own head.

 

I have commented on this thread in the past, and thus get all of further responses since.

 

Maybe I need to unfollow this conversation, and it has nothing to do with any of you.

 

I personally get triggered by what I feel is circular logic, even though ironically I do it all the time myself 😂

 

When I look back at the convention from last night, (the WHOLE scope of the conversation), I felt foolish for speaking up at all because I didn't have the grasp I thought I had on what was being said.

 

That's what I get for working 13 hours and trying to follow along throughout the day, missing key comments or key ideas and then getting frustrated by what I THOUGHT the conversation entailed.

 

As I said, hindsight is 2020...and had I fully read everything, I wouldn't have spoken up at all...so please accept my deepest apologies, my brother @Dhanyelfor running my mouth when I hadn't caught up with it yet!

[Ali Duce]

Personally, these comments from the brothers keep me awake (or motivated/alert) and thank you for the timely information about what is happening in the world.

Regardless of when the end will come, it's good to be up to date with the events, and that gives me more motivation to proclaim the good news of God's Kingdom.

Greetings from Ohrid.

Edited 10 hours ago by Ali Duce

[Michał]

In 50 years? Extremely unlikely. 
 

The pace humans are ruining the Earth is so fast that if we’re not stopped life in 50 years will be so difficult that GT won’t be very different. 

[Araujo JW]

"The end is closer than you think" - by Daniel Sydlik. 

[Dages]

When we will be several centuries old, explaining the last day to the resurrected, really this end thing will feel like extremely fast.

[cme]

16 hours ago, ucastrobr said:

Thanks the brother give a spoiler about the future magazine February 2026

Two possibilities

1 - P&S before Btg
2 - P&G after Btg

he prophecies in the Bible are fully understood only as they are being fulfilled or after they are fulfilled. — See also John 12:16.What is most important right now is not when the declaration of "peace and security" will be made, but that we continue to be loyal to God. We must stay alert and keep our senses, so that we are prepared not only for that event but also for everything that will happen as the prophecies continue to be fulfilled in the future. — 1 Thessalonians 5:6.

Prophecies are now being fulfilled and overlapping as we speak.  Being ready is focusing on the work on hand as these prophecies continue to overlapp and confuse many who are searching for the "Aha" moment.  

 

Distraction means destruction and, that could easily happen as many of us loose jobs, housing, destructive weather patterns, famine, pestilences, earth quakes,  etc., etc., etc.  

 

It is hard to keep focus on spiritual matters when we see the world crumbling all around us and beneath us.  

 

Being alert is the continuation of trusting in Jehovah, doing His will as He has commanded us to do in spite of all that is on going around us.  Granted "it is nerve wrecking" but, no matter how heavy our hearts feel we must continue to endure.

 

One brother said on this forum endurance is not passive,  it is in motion, it is trusting, it is having faith.

Edited 4 hours ago by cme
missing word

[chuck83]

w04 12/1 pp. 24-29

Trusting in Jehovah’s Loving Care
 

"Father used to say that we should plan ahead as if Armageddon would not come in our lifetime but lead our life as if it would come tomorrow..."

 

I feel like thats my motto, since I've returned to Jehovah. It helps with these times and wanting relief to a measure.
 

37 minutes ago, cme said:

One brother said on this forum endurance is not passive,  it is in motion, it is trusting, it is having faith.

 

As a runner and marathoner... one foot in foot of the other. 🙂 

[vern]

I don't think I've seen so much talk and "effort" towards "peace" before.

 

Our current generations understanding does allow at the extreme end of overlap 1 or 2 more decades. (lets hope not).

 

Pray for the anointed to be sealed- kind of the only thing that needs to be accomplished. The new system and kingdom is the major part for earthly class of hope.