Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Doug]

If Trump goes ahead and wars against Iran, how is that NOT an attack on Islam ?

 

The Iran government is formed upon Islam Shia law.  Their government and their religion are one and the same.

 

The repercussions of an all out war will be very interesting indeed.  We don't know what events may precede Jehovah putting his 'one thought' into the consciousness of the nations.  Something like this could be a catalyst.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Doug said:

If Trump goes ahead and wars against Iran, how is that NOT an attack on Islam ?

 

Because Iran is a country and Islam is a religion? 

 

While Iran is the only nation whose government is specifically founded on Shia Islam, there are other Islamic nations. Iraq, Azerbaijan, and Bahrain all have Shia majorities. The United States went to war with Iraq twice. 

 

 Shia is the second largest branch of Islam. Sunni is the largest. Ibadi is the third largest. 

 

The two holiest of Islamic locations are Mecca and Medina. Neither of them are in Iran. 

 

1 hour ago, Doug said:

We don't know what events may precede Jehovah putting his 'one thought' into the consciousness of the nations.  Something like this could be a catalyst.

 

Does Jehovah need a catalyst? 

[Doug]

30 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

Because Iran is a country and Islam is a religion? 

 

While Iran is the only nation whose government is specifically founded on Shia Islam.

 

 I choose B.  Iran is an Islamic government under the control of the Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, for life. His role is a unique blend of absolute religious authority and ultimate political command.

The Supreme Leader has the final say on all major matters of State. He has direct control over the armed forces. His religious decrees are binding .  Neither the President of the government nor the Parliament (all of which can be elected only with the Ayatollah's approval) can over rule the Supreme Leader.

 

The government and Islam Shia are one and the same.

 

 

35 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

Does Jehovah need a catalyst? 

 

The answer is obvious.  Jehovah can do whatever he wants, however he wants, whenever he wants.  Jehovah can cause the leaders of world's governments to all have a dream, and put His 'one thought' into their heads and hearts.

While Jehovah fulfills prophesy in his chosen way, the nations will think it's their idea for reasons that have convinced them to do it.  And it's just as plausible that some of the nations will go along reluctantly, not fully convinced it's a good idea, but do it anyway.

That's only my opinion, of course.  We won't have the answers until it has happened.

[Shawnster]

34 minutes ago, Doug said:

The government and Islam Shia are one and the same

 

But Shia is not the number one branch of Islam. Only about 10%-13% of Muslims are Shia.  

 

Is reasonable to conclude an attack on Iran is an attack on Islam when 85% - 90% of Muslims do not follow that branch of Islam? 

[JennyM]

US strikes on Iran is imminent, says the news

Isnt it that   they both have nuclear?

[JennyM]

3 hours ago, Doug said:

If Trump goes ahead and wars against Iran, how is that NOT an attack on Islam ?

 

The Iran government is formed upon Islam Shia law.  Their government and their religion are one and the same.

 

The repercussions of an all out war will be very interesting indeed.  We don't know what events may precede Jehovah putting his 'one thought' into the consciousness of the nations.  Something like this could be a catalyst.

I hope that our relief will come sooner.  This is not only for me but also to all creation that groaning. 

[Shawnster]

11 minutes ago, JennyM said:

US strikes on Iran is imminent, says the news

Isnt it that   they both have nuclear?

 

"Iran continues to bolster the lethality and precision of its domestically produced missile and UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle] systems, and it has the largest stockpiles of these systems in the region," the US Office of the Director of National Intelligence said in March 2025.

 

The arsenal includes close-range, short-range and medium-range systems.

 

The longest-range variant can travel up to 2,000 kilometres.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-12/iran-ballistic-missile-program-weapons-us-talks-trump/106307798

 

2,000 km = 1242.74 miles.  

 

Cities approximately 2,000 km from central Iran (Tehran) include Moscow, Russia; Cairo, Egypt; Tripoli, Libya; Addis Ababa, Ethiopia; Mumbai, India; and Beijing, China. These cities are generally within a 2-hour flight or a multi-day journey from Iran's borders. 

 

Jerusalem would be within range. 

 

Primary Strategic Targets

Israel: Viewed as an existential target, Israel is a likely focus for a nuclear-capable strike, intended to cause maximum damage to a close U.S. defense partner.

 

U.S. Bases in the Region: American military facilities, particularly in Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, and the UAE, are considered prime, close-range targets for Iranian missile strikes.

 

The Strait of Hormuz: As a crucial global oil transit point, disrupting this area would be a high-priority target to inflict economic damage on the U.S. and its allies.

 

Regional Adversaries: Saudi Arabia and other nations complicit in a U.S. attack could also be target ed. 

[JennyM]

45 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

"Iran continues to bolster the lethality and precision of its domestically produced missile and UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle] systems, and it has the largest stockpiles of these systems in the region," the US Office of the Director of National Intelligence said in March 2025.

 

The arsenal includes close-range, short-range and medium-range systems.

 

The longest-range variant can travel up to 2,000 kilometres.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-12/iran-ballistic-missile-program-weapons-us-talks-trump/106307798

 

2,000 km = 1242.74 miles.  

 

Cities approximately 2,000 km from central Iran (Tehran) include Moscow, Russia; Cairo, Egypt; Tripoli, Libya; Addis Ababa, Ethiopia; Mumbai, India; and Beijing, China. These cities are generally within a 2-hour flight or a multi-day journey from Iran's borders. 

 

Jerusalem would be within range. 

 

Primary Strategic Targets

Israel: Viewed as an existential target, Israel is a likely focus for a nuclear-capable strike, intended to cause maximum damage to a close U.S. defense partner.

 

U.S. Bases in the Region: American military facilities, particularly in Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, and the UAE, are considered prime, close-range targets for Iranian missile strikes.

 

The Strait of Hormuz: As a crucial global oil transit point, disrupting this area would be a high-priority target to inflict economic damage on the U.S. and its allies.

 

Regional Adversaries: Saudi Arabia and other nations complicit in a U.S. attack could also be target ed. 

Satan knows where to target a place so he can intensify suffering.

[Dhanyel]

US military prepared to strike Iran as early as this weekend, but Trump has yet to make a final call, sources say

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/18/politics/military-strike-trump-us-iran

 

Tons of equipment have already been transported. 

[ChrisC]

10 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

Vatican will not participate in Trump’s ‘Board of Peace’

 https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/18/europe/pope-leo-board-of-peace-refusal-intl

“I’m riding this beastie. What’s the worst that can happen?”

[ucastrobr]

Cyrus the Great is generally considered to be the father of the Iranian peoples. Ancient Iran, historically known as Persia.

 

 

 

 

 

About our times

 

 

[vern]

got to have reasons to hate the harlet

[Dustparticle]

2 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

US military prepared to strike Iran as early as this weekend, but Trump has yet to make a final call, sources say

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/18/politics/military-strike-trump-us-iran

 

Tons of equipment have already been transported. 

 Another report https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c875pey8vy2o

[Doug]

5 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

But Shia is not the number one branch of Islam. Only about 10%-13% of Muslims are Shia.  

 

Is reasonable to conclude an attack on Iran is an attack on Islam when 85% - 90% of Muslims do not follow that branch of Islam? 

 

An attack on a religion doesn't need to be an attack on the most prominent , or biggest, denomination.   

I don't know enough about Islam to speak with credibility, but it may be that Shia is the hardcore fundamentalist branch.  Maybe Shia is an embarrassment to the rest of the Muslims.  In any case, in Iran, government and religion are currently indistinguishable from each other.

The Vatican is a sovereign State, with ambassadors and observer status at the UN. And at the same time entirely Catholic.  One and the same.

 

Perception is reality in this world.  The big concern about any war on Iran is the domino effect it will have in the whole region.  Apparently, Iran doesn't have any friends among the other Muslim nations of the Middle East. But Iran can try to turn an attack into something more than just about themselves.  They could spin it as an attack against Islam.

 

IF it happens, I believe it will be with overwhelming force and of short duration.  It will be like liberating Germany from the Nazis.

[Dhanyel]

Trump to host inaugural ‘Board of Peace’ meeting

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-administration-news-02-19-26

 

[Shawnster]

7 hours ago, Doug said:

The Vatican is a sovereign State, with ambassadors and observer status at the UN. And at the same time entirely Catholic.  One and the same.

Except on your example here the Vatican is the central authority of the Catholic Church. It is the seat of power. Islam has no equivalent. There is no centralized seat of power or authority. 

 

7 hours ago, Doug said:

The big concern about any war on Iran is the domino effect it will have in the whole region. 

 

Yes

 

7 hours ago, Doug said:

They could spin it as an attack against Islam.

 

They could. The same spin was made when the US attacked Afghanistan right after 9/11. 

 

7 hours ago, Doug said:

It will be like liberating Germany from the Nazis.

 

Possibly.

 

Back to your point about a religious war, though, is the war with Germany was never viewed as a war on Lutherans despite Germany being overwhelmingly Lutheran. 

 

They can try to spin any attack as a war on Islam but if the majority of Islamic nations and people are either sitting by the sidelines or tacitly supporting the US, it might be difficult to make that claim stick. 

 

In regards to Jehovah, he does not need anything to precipitate his implanting that one thought. It can literally happen at any moment. We no longer feel that there will be wars and reports of wars as precursors or indicators. We no longer belive we will see storm clouds gathering. Look up! The storm clouds have already gathered. The sky is pitch black. The storm is here and the first drops of Jehovah's rainstorm are about to splash down. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Shawnster

[JennyM]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Except on your example here the Vatican is the central authority of the Catholic Church. It is the seat of power. Islam has no equivalent. There is no centralized seat of power or authority. 

 

 

Yes

 

 

They could. The same spin was made when the US attacked Afghanistan right after 9/11. 

 

 

Possibly.

 

Back to your point about a religious war, though, is the war with Germany was never viewed as a war on Lutherans despite Germany being overwhelmingly Lutheran. 

 

They can try to spin any attack as a war on Islam but if the majority of Islamic nations and people are either sitting by the sidelines or tacitly supporting the US, it might be difficult to make that claim stick. 

 

In regards to Jehovah, he does not need anything to precipitate his implanting that one thought. It can literally happen at any moment. We no longer feel that there will be wars and reports of wars as precursors or indicators. We no longer belive we will see storm clouds gathering. Look up! The storm clouds have already gathered. The sky is pitch black. The storm is here and the first drops of Jehovah's rainstorm are about to splash down. 

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! 

 

[Dages]

12 hours ago, ChrisC said:

“I’m riding this beastie. What’s the worst that can happen?”

Yeah. Interesting that he said that's the UN to do the peace.

[LeolaRootStew]

3 hours ago, Shawnster said:

In regards to Jehovah, he does not need anything to precipitate his implanting that one thought. It can literally happen at any moment. We no longer feel that there will be wars and reports of wars as precursors or indicators. We no longer belive we will see storm clouds gathering. Look up! The storm clouds have already gathered. The sky is pitch black. The storm is here and the first drops of Jehovah's rainstorm are about to splash down. 

 

I think it's more accurate to say we have already seen the pre-curser signs and don't need any more for the one thought to happen.

 

As far as Iran, the only war I'm looking forward to is the last one.

[Shawnster]

5 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I think it's more accurate to say we have already seen the pre-curser signs and don't need any more for the one thought to happen.

 

Fair point 

[ucastrobr]

Just for fun

 

Iraq – ancient Assyria (northern Iraq) and Babylon (southern Iraq).

 

Iran – ancient Persia. Setting of familiar stories of Daniel in the lions’ den and Esther.

 

Syria – ancient Aram. Rarely united in ancient times, leading to multiple Aramean countries. The prominent one in the Bible was centered in Damascus.

 

Lebanon – home of the biblical cities of Tyre and Sidon and the ancient Phoenicians.

 

Jordan – settled in biblical times, from north to south, by Israel (tribes of Manasseh, Reuben, and Gad), Ammon, Moab, and Edom.

 

Gaza Strip – once was part of the land of the Philistines (no relation to the Palestinians of today except in name). Most of the Philistine territory is inhabited by Jewish Israelis today, including the coastal cities of Ashdod and Ashkelon.
 

Turkey – in the Old Testament period this was home to a variety of people that are less directly related to the Bible (including the Hittites). In the New Testament times, Paul founded and worked with many churches, including those in Galatia, Ephesus, and Colossae.

[Dhanyel]

26 minutes ago, ucastrobr said:

Just for fun

 

Iraq – ancient Assyria (northern Iraq) and Babylon (southern Iraq).

 

Iran – ancient Persia. Setting of familiar stories of Daniel in the lions’ den and Esther.

 

Syria – ancient Aram. Rarely united in ancient times, leading to multiple Aramean countries. The prominent one in the Bible was centered in Damascus.

 

Lebanon – home of the biblical cities of Tyre and Sidon and the ancient Phoenicians.

 

Jordan – settled in biblical times, from north to south, by Israel (tribes of Manasseh, Reuben, and Gad), Ammon, Moab, and Edom.

 

Gaza Strip – once was part of the land of the Philistines (no relation to the Palestinians of today except in name). Most of the Philistine territory is inhabited by Jewish Israelis today, including the coastal cities of Ashdod and Ashkelon.
 

Turkey – in the Old Testament period this was home to a variety of people that are less directly related to the Bible (including the Hittites). In the New Testament times, Paul founded and worked with many churches, including those in Galatia, Ephesus, and Colossae.

Curious and interesting!

[Shawnster]

59 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

Curious and interesting!

Quite. 

 

 

[Jim Jam]

1 hour ago, ucastrobr said:

in the Old Testament period this was home to a variety of people that are less directly related to the Bible (including the Hittites)

 

The Hittites of the Bible and the "Hittites" of Turkey are actually two different people.

 

The Canaanite Hittites lived in the south of the Levant. The "Hittites" lived in Turkey, and the reason why they were initially called Hittites by scholars was because their capital was Hattusha, so they thought this kingdom belonged to the same Hittites that the Hebrews fought.

 

But we now know that they called themselves the Nesha and were unrelated to the Canaanites. The name "Hittite" is still used for them though, as a matter of convention.

Edited 8 hours ago by Jim Jam

[Dhanyel]

Trump extends his Iran decision timeline to 10 to 15 days and says Board of Peace will be ‘looking over’ UN

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-administration-news-02-19-26

 

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