Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Ahuvah]

5 minutes ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

This discussion is moving so fast I can’t even keep up  

You have forever, just let us know, when you finish reading it, if we were right. Oh wait, we will already know.

[Cool.As.Ice]

Well, the future will soon become the present. Then the present will become the past. And then, let the people say: “AMEN!!!”

Edited February 24 by Cool.As.Ice

[Cool.As.Ice]

3 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

The religion is called Frankism.

 

I couldn’t resist

Edited February 24 by Cool.As.Ice

[Tortuga]

Just now, Cool.As.Ice said:

Well, that's in the ballpark...

[Shawnster]

43 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I think Trump could literally set a church on fire on live television and his supporters would be like, "it's 5D chess - trust the plan!"

 

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/23/464129029/donald-trump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters

[BLEmom]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

 

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/23/464129029/donald-trump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters

He’s probably right. He’s basically worshipped. Can you imagine if he did go after religion and his peeps followed him?  Then it would be the left defending the right to worship and wouldn’t that be a twist?  lol 
 

The world is definitely poised to do big things.  With enough chaos, the people are primed to believe that something big from UN will bring true peace and stability. Chaos to order and then 💥 

[Hope]

3 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Oh, you know how riots are. Everyone gets involved and then regret it later...

 

...or pardoned... 😕

 

I know... forget i said it.. ❤️ 

[Ahuvah]

Seatbelts on!

[ChrisW]

3 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Well, that's in the ballpark...

I knew it was @Tortuga

because it was so corny.

[Richie]

On 2/24/2025 at 4:09 AM, jps said:

 

i wonder how the ban of religion will be enforced against primitive tribes/civilizations like aborigins and alike

When the ancient Bablon built by Nimrod was destroyed by Jehovah, people were scattered and brought their own ways of worship to where they settled. Also, when Babylon destroyed by Cyrus, people brought their idols to where they settled. If similar thing will happen soon, only religions with so attached to the political and social figures of the world maybe banished or destroyed. Just to fulfill Jehovah's word in general. 

[Richie]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7435pnle0go

 

US sides with Russia in UN Resolution on Ukraine... 

[Ahuvah]

1 hour ago, Richie said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7435pnle0go

 

US sides with Russia in UN Resolution on Ukraine... 

Saw that, puts the UK in an interesting position. 

[feebee]

10 hours ago, trottigy said:

 

I wonder if when they "give it 'power' to 'rule' if that doesn't include control over the various militaries around the world. They would then instantaneously have enough "teeth" to do what needs doing.

 

[New World Explorer]

6 hours ago, Ahuvah said:

Saw that, puts the UK in an interesting position. 

In the 21st century, Britain and the United States have continued their special partnership, often acting together in world affairs. The prophecies about the immense image and the wild beast confirm that the Anglo-American World Power will not be replaced by some future world power. W12

 

So what is happening now is just a temporary slump and they will be together "in it" again or the end is indeed imminent. 
 

[navco]

dont know 

[cme]

The End is indeed imminent.

 

 

Luke 21:34   ......and suddenly that day be instantly upon you...

[Osprey]

2 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

In the 21st century, Britain and the United States have continued their special partnership, often acting together in world affairs. The prophecies about the immense image and the wild beast confirm that the Anglo-American World Power will not be replaced by some future world power. W12

 

So what is happening now is just a temporary slump and they will be together "in it" again or the end is indeed imminent. 
 

 

Keir Starmer today:

 

We must reject any false choice between our allies, between one side of the Atlantic or the other. That is against our history, country, and party because it’s against our fundamental national interest.

The US is our most important bilateral alliance. It straddles everything from nuclear technology to Nato to Five Eyes, Aukus, and beyond.

So this week when I meet President Trump, I will be clear. I want this relationship to go from strength to strength.

[Ahuvah]

6 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

In the 21st century, Britain and the United States have continued their special partnership, often acting together in world affairs. The prophecies about the immense image and the wild beast confirm that the Anglo-American World Power will not be replaced by some future world power. W12

 

So what is happening now is just a temporary slump and they will be together "in it" again or the end is indeed imminent. 
 

I had this very conversation with someone recently. Funny that. 😄 

[computerwiz]

What is the most likely thing that will cause governments to hand power to the UN?  A global crises like never before.

 

What is the most likely thing that will cause the UN to turn on religion?  Non-support (or worse...working against) of the solution to the global crises.

 

 

COVID....whether you believe it was "natural" or a government-inspired test.....showed exactly who & what would be problematic when it came time to globalize & work together to stop a common enemy.  Now what do you think will happen if we have a round 2 of a more serious pandemic?  I think we're going to see even less cooperation than previously, because people look back on COVID and shrug & say "meh, it wasn't that bad".

 

I could see a more serious one hitting the planet, and religious ones being the problem (for several reasons), and so they've got to go, because they're not cooperating.

 

Of course, it can be something else that happens that, for whatever reason, religious groups don't cooperate with governments.

 

That's just my thought, if it needs a realistic scenario to play out.  Of course, Jehovah can just make them do whatever He wants them to....

[Ahuvah]

7 minutes ago, computerwiz said:

What is the most likely thing that will cause governments to hand power to the UN?  A global crises like never before

 

Not necessarily,  while something catastrophic may begin, this doesn't need to happen for them to hand their power over.

Why? 

1. Because it's not their choice to do it, it's Jehovahs.

2. Because it's so sudden, even we will be surprised by it.

3. We will see it as Jehovah’s hand, we being his people. 

 

It could happen tomorrow it's going to be that sudden. Probably won't,  but anything can happen now.

[computerwiz]

6 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

 

Not necessarily,  while something catastrophic may begin, this doesn't need to happen for them to hand their power over.

Why? 

1. Because it's not their choice to do it, it's Jehovahs.

2. Because it's so sudden, even we will be surprised by it.

3. We will see it as Jehovah’s hand, we being his people. 

 

It could happen tomorrow it's going to be that sudden. Probably won't,  but anything can happen now.

 

That's why I said this:

 

18 minutes ago, computerwiz said:

if it needs a realistic scenario to play out.  Of course, Jehovah can just make them do whatever He wants them to....

 

I, however, think it will follow a realistic scenario.  We know Jehovah usually chooses to maneuver matters, rather that straight-up stepping on free will.  The only instance of that that I can think of right off the bat is with regards to Balaam, where he was forced to bless Israel.

 

Generally, Jehovah prefers to use "encouragement" to change people's minds (Jonah & whale, talking donkey, visions, etc) rather than straight up force them.  So unless governments would be too stubborn to His "prodding", I think things will progress through a realistic path.

 

Now, being "led by hooks" may sound like He forces them completely....but first the fish has to bite it.  😉

 

In any case, we shall see how it plays out...

[Áine]

7 hours ago, cme said:

The End is indeed imminent.

 

 

Luke 21:34   ......and suddenly that day be instantly upon you...

And what was made very clear in the talk were keep referring to was that all of the moves going on now are ‘acts of God’ 

he is definitely putting it into their hearts to act

 I loved how he kept repeating those words you have highlighted…

We know it will be sudden and even take us by surprise and we are the ones watching for it!! 

[Ahuvah]

3 minutes ago, Áine said:

he is definitely putting it into their hearts to act

That's actually an exciting string of words there, what if, (and it's more hopeful right now, than certainty) we ARE watching Jehovah enter the mix, right now? We will know soon either way I guess. But it has to happen some time.

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, computerwiz said:

What is the most likely thing that will cause governments to hand power to the UN? 

Jehovah's implanting of his one thought. 

 

I used to think like you propose here, but that was before the 2024 Annual Meeting. Now with our new understanding that it's Jehovah that causes the nations to give their power to the UN, it really doesn't need to be some real or potential global crisis. Jehovah does not need any global event in order to put his one thought into their hearts. 

 

I don't know how it will look from humanity's point of view. It might indeed look like a response to a global crisis. Then again, maybe not. 

 

[Ahuvah]

39 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Jehovah's implanting of his one thought. 

 

I used to think like you propose here, but that was before the 2024 Annual Meeting. Now with our new understanding that it's Jehovah that causes the nations to give their power to the UN, it really doesn't need to be some real or potential global crisis. Jehovah does not need any global event in order to put his one thought into their hearts. 

 

I don't know how it will look from humanity's point of view. It might indeed look like a response to a global crisis. Then again, maybe not. 

 

A great example of this was Belshazaar, full of his own importance,  overstepping his boundary with Jehovah and while he was celebrating Jehovah had already set in motion his downfall. He was unaware until Daniel interpreted the message and the soldiers entered the room.