Speed of light - Why we can't reach it

[computerwiz]

I now clearly understand why we can never reach the speed of light.  I've never seen a video explain everything so well, so clearly.

 

Enjoy my fellow scientists!!  😁

 

 

[Dustparticle]

27 minutes ago, computerwiz said:

I now clearly understand why we can never reach the speed of light.  I've never seen a video explain everything so well, so clearly.

 

Enjoy my fellow scientists!!  😁

 

 

 Our bodies can not  handle it.

[Tortuga]

2 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

 Our bodies can not  handle it.

The speed of light is the time it takes me to get into bed after I turn the light out.

[Qapla]

While it seems like a perfectly feasible explanation, it doesn't explain how Jehovah and Satan were able to see Job and discuss his situation in "real time" when they were not on the earth ... or how the angle could come from wherever to slay 185,000 in a single event - just saying

[Tortuga]

4 minutes ago, Qapla said:

While it seems like a perfectly feasible explanation, it doesn't explain how Jehovah and Satan were able to see Job and discuss his situation in "real time" when they were not on the earth ... or how the angle could come from wherever to slay 185,000 in a single event - just saying

The difference between physical and spiritual?

[computerwiz]

6 minutes ago, Qapla said:

While it seems like a perfectly feasible explanation, it doesn't explain how Jehovah and Satan were able to see Job and discuss his situation in "real time" when they were not on the earth ... or how the angle could come from wherever to slay 185,000 in a single event - just saying

 

Spirit creatures are not bound by time (as far as we know).  Time is part of the physical universe.  We won't understand how they operate until later, hopefully.

[Qapla]

There are differences in spirit creatures and us - but, to say we can "never" reach or exceed the speed of light may not be correct - who knows what Jehovah has in store for us in the future  

 

Not to mention that we can currently pray, audibly or silently, and Jehovah can instantly hear our prayers ... so we are already capable of communication in ways we can't explain or understand fully.

Edited November 14 by Qapla

[Tronora]

17 minutes ago, Qapla said:

 

Not to mention that we can currently pray, audibly or silently, and Jehovah can instantly hear our prayers ... so we are already capable of communication in ways we can't explain or understand fully.

 

When I read Eph 4:6 "One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all", I associate/speculate it could be an explanation to how He hears prayers instantly. (Through Holy spirit??)

 

I also think about quantum computers, but I'm not sure that will compute.

 

I really hope we will be able to travel the universe. I dream of spaceships & crew that go invisible before spaceflight. How to put photons out of the equation ? ?

[Dages]

10 hours ago, Qapla said:

While it seems like a perfectly feasible explanation, it doesn't explain how Jehovah and Satan were able to see Job and discuss his situation in "real time" when they were not on the earth ... or how the angle could come from wherever to slay 185,000 in a single event - just saying

Daily reminder that Special relativity isn't the absolute truth of our universe  
Einsteins ideas are merely empirical, not metaphysical.

And spirits aren't bound by our physical limitations.

Edited November 15 by Dages

[Mike047]

Good point David. It reminded me of Psalm 36:9 "With you is the source of life; By your light we can see light", and study 6 in ELF.

 

There's also a good article in December 1st 2001 W/T "By Light From You We Can See Light". So many aspects of 'light'.

[Witness1970]

Time is sometimes called the 4th dimension.  This is because we experience 3 physical dimensions.  Time is also a dimension accordint to one theory.  But what if there are actually infinite dimensions possible, but we are only aware of 3.  It might be possible to travel through another dimension to get from point A to point B.  And this other dimension is a shortcut from point A to point B.  To an observer it would seem that we travelled faster than light to get from point A to point B.

 

Astrophysicists explain how a universe that is 14 billion years old can contain stars that are 100 billion years apart.  The explanation they use is that these stars are not moving faster than the speed of light but the expansion of the universe can be faster than the speed of light.  I don't understand this, but it is the explanation that Neil Degrasse Tyson, and others, used.

 

If Quantum Entanglement is possible, who knows?

[Ysaias]

1 hour ago, Witness1970 said:

Time is sometimes called the 4th dimension.

This brings to my mind a dedication talk that brother Herd gave some years ago here in the Dominican Republic. He mentioned something like Jehovah and the angels live in sort of another dimension, not subjeted to our space-time limitations.

[Ysaias]

11 minutes ago, Ysaias said:

This brings to my mind a dedication talk that brother Herd gave some years ago here in the Dominican Republic. He mentioned something like Jehovah and the angels live in sort of another dimension, not subjeted to our space-time limitations.

I found this talk. It was titled "The Miracle of Prayer", on Nov 19th, 2016, that is, 8 years ago.

Edited November 15 by Ysaias
Wording.

[Dages]

Jehovah can read the subset of reality that is our physical universe at whatever pace he wants  

[computerwiz]

15 hours ago, Qapla said:

who knows what Jehovah has in store for us in the future  

 

The Maker of physical rules can always adjust or break them.  But as of right now, the rules are clear and things are as it was explained in the video.

[Qapla]

Yes, but that didn't help explain warp speed, trans-warp corridors, hyperspace, underspace or many of the other faster-than-light means of travel I have seen on TV ... just saying

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 15 by Qapla

[Dustparticle]

40 minutes ago, computerwiz said:

who knows what Jehovah has in store for us in the future  

 

 What is the problem with this is, we only see the past when look into space. Take for instance galaxy M31. We can only see what it looks like 2.5 million years  ago, yet we do not know what look like know in 2024. We will have to wait another 2.5 million years later to find out. 

 

 The question is how can we the events of this galaxy at it's present time? Certain events in this galaxy can be chaotic in order to enter now or in the future. Earth is a safe place to be forever. Psalms 37:29.

[Pabo]

On 11/15/2024 at 10:14 PM, Witness1970 said:

Astrophysicists explain how a universe that is 14 billion years old can contain stars that are 100 billion years apart.  The explanation they use is that these stars are not moving faster than the speed of light but the expansion of the universe can be faster than the speed of light.  I don't understand this, but it is the explanation that Neil Degrasse Tyson, and others.

 

It is also theorised that the Big Bang was not just one at one particular place where everything came from, but at many places at the same time, thus allowing the vast distances between stars.

 

Another thought is that Big Bang was not only just one particular event, but possibly happened many times before the one that we seem to focus on.

[Witness1970]

 

4 hours ago, Pabo said:

 

It is also theorised that the Big Bang was not just one at one particular place where everything came from, but at many places at the same time, thus allowing the vast distances between stars.

 

Another thought is that Big Bang was not only just one particular event, but possibly happened many times before the one that we seem to focus on.

I am not going to believe that the Big Bang is an event that repeats.  I believe that this universe is the only one that has ever been created or will ever be created.

 

I also refuse to believe in a multiverse.  Jehovah created one and Jesus died once for all time.  Just my opinion.

[SteveAus]

If you wish to go down the rabbit hole on YT, and follow the best explanations I've found on difficult science topics, broken down for the layman, then I highly recommend Arvin Ash's channel.

A few related to Light:

How Faster than Light Speed Breaks CAUSALITY and creates Paradoxes

Why Does Light Exist? What is Its Purpose?
4D Spacetime and Relativity explained simply and visually

 

Ofc, this all limited to 4 dimensions, and IMO, the spiritual world exists outside of this. I have given thought to the possibility that quantum physics *may* link the two in ways to be revealed to us in the future.

Edited Friday at 02:11 AM by SteveAus

[Witness1970]

Time is not the 4th dimension.  Time is an illusion.  Time is a construct that was created to measure changes in the physical space around us.  We keep track of the earth revolving around the sun and call it a year.  We keep track of the earth's rotation and call is a day.  We keep track of the moon revolving around the earth and it is approximately a month.

 

Everything we measure is approximate.  The earth is approximately 93 million miles from the sun.  Light travels approximately 186,000 miles per second (one estimate I heard is 186,234 miles per second).  A year is approximately 365 days (365.2422 days would be closer).  There are 2 many examples of approximations to name them all.

 

Space is real, created by Jehovah.  Time is a construct that we created to measure changes (movements of objects) that happen in the observable space around us.  The past does not exist (except in memory and records) and cannot be visited by travelling faster than the speed of light.  The future has not yet happened, so it does not exist either.  Jehovah can predict the future, but it is just something we look forward to.  It does not exist yet.

 

Science Fiction shows about travelling forward or backward through time might make for good entertainment, but it isn't possible to visit things that do not exist.  I have always loved shows about time travel.  As I said they can be very entertaining.

[Mike047]

On 11/22/2024 at 1:23 PM, Witness1970 said:

Time is not the 4th dimension

Some good points here, Randall, I understand that time is considered a temporal dimension. I must admit that the physics are somewhat beyond me. We also use time as an aspect of spatial location.

Although, since it seems that time only 'flows' in one direction it is be independent from space.

[Qapla]

Question:

 

Since the light from a distant star is many lightyears away, what we see of that star happened sometime in the past because it takes time for that light to reach us. If you were able to travel towards that star, as you approached the star the light you would see would get newer until it becomes "real time" like the light from our sun. So, if you kept an observation device trained on the star while traveling, would you be able to observe the history of that star as you flew towards it?

 

[1MKnight]

On 11/14/2024 at 12:30 PM, computerwiz said:

Enjoy my fellow scientists!!  😁

 

Wow, that was easily the best explanation I've heard of this. Never seen this channel before somehow. Thanks! (Now I need to see if he has videos on the "Observer effect.")

 

On 11/14/2024 at 2:34 PM, Qapla said:

it doesn't explain how Jehovah and Satan were able to see Job and discuss his situation in "real time" when they were not on the earth ... or how the angle could come from wherever to slay 185,000 in a single event - just saying

 

On 11/14/2024 at 2:42 PM, computerwiz said:

Spirit creatures are not bound by time (as far as we know).

 

I don't think we can say that spirits are not bound by time. If that were true then the future would be predetermined, thus we would not have free will. If they were not bound by time, Satan would have been an evil rebel from all eternity to all eternity. They may not be bound by the three physical dimensions that we are, but time is a different story.  Jehovah can foretell the future, not by traveling through the time dimension, taking notes, and coming back to us to tell us what will happen, he purposes the future to happen in the way he tells it. 

 

As far as how they saw Job, they could have been close by. We know the angels fly in midheaven. And of course, an aspect of the angelic realm could be that it is a higher spacial dimension, allowing them to bypass much of 3d space. 

 

As an aside, it would seem to me that as soon as Jehovah created the Logos, some form of time must have been in existence, because at that point you have two things interacting. For interaction and change to occur you must have time. Ergo, we can't say that Jehovah is not subject to time. If we say "But he can do anything, so of course he could time travel if he wanted to" is just not really a fair question. It's really us superimposing our idea of "omnipotence" onto God, rather than just letting God be who he tells us he is. We have to avoid Hellenizing Jehovah like the Greeks did during the Great Apostasy. 

[dljbsp]

2 hours ago, Qapla said:

Since the light from a distant star is many lightyears away, what we see of that star happened sometime in the past because it takes time for that light to reach us. If you were able to travel towards that star, as you approached the star the light you would see would get newer until it becomes "real time" like the light from our sun. So, if you kept an observation device trained on the star while traveling, would you be able to observe the history of that star as you flew towards it?

I have run your hypothesis through Starfleets greatest minds. And here is the conclusion of a matter on a star that's 100,000 years from earth.

 

1. Starlight as a Cosmic Time Capsule:

Confirmed by Starfleet Science. The light from a distant star is a visual transmission of its past. A star 100 light-years away is essentially sending us a 100-year-old “subspace message.” Every photon we detect is a glimpse into the history of that celestial body.

2. “Newer” Light on Approach:

Partially accurate, ensign. As you engage warp drive and head toward the star, you’d encounter photons that left the star more recently than the ones seen from your starting point. However, this doesn’t replay the star’s timeline like a holodeck program. Instead, you’re rapidly closing the gap, skipping older signals to catch up with the light waves.

3. Time-Traveling History of the Star:

Negative. While it sounds intriguing, you wouldn’t witness the star’s history like flipping through a chronicle. Traveling toward the star compresses the timeline; you encounter progressively newer light, bypassing portions of its past. You’re syncing with its “real-time broadcast,” not replaying its earlier episodes.

4. Relativity and Subspace Distortions:

Additional phenomena at relativistic speeds. If you push your vessel to relativistic velocities, you’d encounter blue-shifted starlight, where wavelengths compress due to your rapid motion. However, this doesn’t allow you to decipher the star’s history any more than accelerating a tricorder’s scanner settings would.

 

Final Assessment:

Warping toward a star lets you intercept progressively fresher starlight, but it’s not a time machine. To observe the full saga of the star’s history, you’d need to “park your starship” at specific distances and wait for each era of light to arrive at your location.

 

So, while it’s not exactly like flipping through an interstellar photo album, the journey still offers plenty of astronomical intrigue. Engage curiosity and boldly go!

LLAP