12 shot dead at 'Dark Knight Rises' screening in Aurora, Colorado

[Shawnster]

I scanned the articles today about this shooting - does anyone know if there were any Witnesses at that showing?

Since there are midnight showings all over the country, I am sure there were some. Not so sure about there in Aurora, Colorado though.

My step-son and at least two other brothers went to a midnight showing here. I woulda done it if I was single and younger. I know of a few other Witness friends from online that they went to midnight showings as well.

[rocket]

A suspected Apostate going by the name "Some Old Hens Cackle All Hours Till Old Age" would like to pretend to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses and post in this thread. His comment included the statement "I'm having a hard time having sympathy for these "victims" and "Those people went to that movie to see violence and James Holmes gave them violence."

We find that even though the statements may reflect the feelings of Apostates they do not reflect the feelings of Jehovah's Witnesses. Because his insensitive comment is so inflammatory it is not approved for posting.

Edit: The above mentioned user "Some Old Hens Cackle All Hours Till Old Age" has been deactivated and he is no longer a member here.

[ceeblumist]

I saw that same message in the comments section of several news articles I read about the shooting. I had no idea it was an apostate?!?! It just goes to show how unstable they really are without Jehovah... Sad

[Shawnster]

I saw that same message in the comments section of several news articles I read about the shooting. I had no idea it was an apostate?!?! It just goes to show how unstable they really are without Jehovah... Sad

Not necessarily. I can find a comment by someone else and repeat it as if it were my own.

[ceeblumist]

I saw that same message in the comments section of several news articles I read about the shooting. I had no idea it was an apostate?!?! It just goes to show how unstable they really are without Jehovah... Sad

Not necessarily. I can find a comment by someone else and repeat it as if it were my own.

You don't think it is the same person? Just a copy cat?

[Musky]

We don't know if it was the "same person" and it doesn't matter. He was a member that we suspected anyway and were watching him. Once we determined he was the same person who has tried to join our forum several times in the past, we did not approve his post in this section and deactivated his account. It's really easy to determine who these people are because as a group they are not too bright!

[ceeblumist]

We don't know if it was the "same person" and it doesn't matter. He was a member that we suspected anyway and were watching him. Once we determined he was the same person who has tried to join our forum several times in the past, we did not approve his post in this section and deactivated his account. It's really easy to determine who these people are because as a group they are not too bright!

Thank you for keeping this place clean! ><

[Dave]

I second that Chuck. You guys are doing a good job. Keep it up.

I know it's not easy dealing with that kind of thing, so thanks to all you moderators.

[Greenfield]

This incident is an extremely sad tragedy, and nothing else. Pontificating about midnight showings and Batman is kinda losing sight of the important things, IMO. It is silly to even imply that following Bible principles would have prevented these people's deaths.

[Hallett 82]

. . . . . . is kinda losing sight of the important things, IMO. It is silly to even imply that following Bible principles would have prevented these people's deaths.

The sad thing is that you really believe that.

That is your opinion . . . . but it is not Jehovahs.

For every ticket sold to block buster violent movies, Hollywood will make another . . and another.

That idiot would have aimed his guns somewhere else sometime . . but his choice on this occasion was motivated by making his splash at a movie where the patrons would have been involved in the screen as he started . . making their decision-making process scrambled. Reality or not? It took precious seconds for them to decide they were in danger.

Psalm 11:5 is exact . . Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,

And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.

It does say 'anyone loving violence' . . . not 'doing violence'.

Jehovah is examining hearts right now . . today! . . He did so in 1st century as his faithful people died in arenas with wild animals and thousands watched on.

What do you think his searching found then? . .

You are a braver man than me Gungadin.

[destiny]

In Obama's speech today in relations to the shooting this is what he quoted:

Revelation 21: 3-4:

"... I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "See, the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them; he will wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the former things have passed away."

(He left out a very important prerequisite) ---- May Jehovah help these people! very sad! the titanic is sinking fast......

[ava]

This incident is an extremely sad tragedy, and nothing else. Pontificating about midnight showings and Batman is kinda losing sight of the important things, IMO. It is silly to even imply that following Bible principles would have prevented these people's deaths.

You are correct, nothing would have prevented these people's death's. This person was obviously determined to do this, and he would have done it no matter what movie was playing.

We do live in a culture of violence, that is a fact, and people are affected by movies, music, video games, etc.

If we lived in a perfect world where every one obeyed Jehovah's principles, then we would not be having this discussion right now. Sadly, that is not the case.

If witnesses choose to see this movie, that is there decision. As witnesses we all have to make up our own minds as to our entertainment choices.

This is a very sad thing that happened, it's also a very scary thing. School shootings, work shootings, now theater shootings, it's a scary world we live in.

[JSellenger]

Jan,

Are you serious? No one in that theater is to blame but the sick man who did the shooting. Things like this are terrible but can happen anywhere.

"time and unforseen occurance befall us all"

I watched with my own eyes a dear sister die who got in an accident on the way to a christian meeting. She was exactly where she was supposed to be, but in this system, bad things are gonna happen to anyone, Jehovah's servants or not.

[ava]

In Obama's speech today in relations to the shooting this is what he quoted:

Revelation 21: 3-4:

"... I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "See, the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them; he will wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the former things have passed away."

(He left out a very important prerequisite) ---- May Jehovah help these people! very sad! the titanic is sinking fast......

It's an election year for him, and the majority of the people in this country do not believe he is Christian, he probably quoted it to get some points from voters, lol.

He stumbled over the scripture too I noticed, like he was trying to remember what it said.

[destiny]

In Obama's speech today in relations to the shooting this is what he quoted:

Revelation 21: 3-4:

"... I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "See, the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them; he will wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the former things have passed away."

(He left out a very important prerequisite) ---- May Jehovah help these people! very sad! the titanic is sinking fast......

It's an election year for him, and the majority of the people in this country do not believe he is Christian, he probably quoted it to get some points from voters, lol.

He stumbled over the scripture too I noticed, like he was trying to remember what it said.

I just wondered what context he was thinking of when he said the scrpture. ......like (this will all be over soon, or what...he was given a copy of the bible teach book.--(ok, grasping at straws here)

[Hallett 82]

Jan,

Are you serious? No one in that theater is to blame but the sick man who did the shooting. Things like this are terrible but can happen anywhere.

"time and unforseen occurance befall us all"

I watched with my own eyes a dear sister die who got in an accident on the way to a christian meeting. She was exactly where she was supposed to be, but in this system, bad things are gonna happen to anyone, Jehovah's servants or not.

Of course I am serious. An accident or mass shooting in a public place is always tragic. (and different than this event) I said nowhere that the victims 'deserved' to be shot. You are misreading. Of course they did not deserve this disaster. But I stand by my view that if we as Christians frequent places where violence is worshipped or movies that desensitise us to gunfire, mass destruction and 'good V's evil' and the ends justifies any means . . then the risks become much higher.

It has been revealed that he was an avid 'gamer' . . those people become obsessed with violence but he was less likely to make his same 'mark' at the launch of Toy Story or Ice Age.

I have faced two guns aimed at me in anger in field service . . I too have lost dear friends suddenly in tragic circumstances and it is those experiences that has taught me and mine that we can choose to stay right away from anything that promotes violence, especially for entertainment. We cannot stay away from local malls, schools or streets.

I am too, married to my husband today after his current girlfriend was missing when I met him. She was found 2 years later as the victim of a mass murderer who used porn to desensitise himself to human dignity. He thought it was just entertainment . .his victims saw it differently.

Truro Murders Australia

When I saw the promo for this movie a couple of months ago . .hubby did not even look me in the eye as he said . .that's a no-no. The weaponry and violence was obvious. Our CO visit had just caused the CO to warn ALL elders and servants about what they watch for entertainment and they must set the lead in such spiritual matters. Hubby took that seriously . . as did I.

I am probably an idiot in your eyes but I don't care. I read Psalm 11:2 about Jehovahs view of violence and those who love it. That scripture is as important to me as Psalm 37:9-11 and Matthew 24:14. That is my conscience . .and it lests me sleep at night.

Chow people.

[GoldAussieGirl]

I understand where u are coming from Jan and i agree with your viewpoint and others.....i see both viewpoints as having merit.

Really the blame lies with satan and the man who did this but i agree we live in a world that glorifies violence and people are desensitised to it. He chose that movie and was acting as one of the characters.

Such sad times we live in where we are no longer safe going to see a movie, going to school, walking around a shopping centre. Violence is on the increase thats for sure. I just pray Jehovah steps in soon. What a glorious day that will be

[Brother_Bliss]

. . . . . . is kinda losing sight of the important things, IMO. It is silly to even imply that following Bible principles would have prevented these people's deaths.

The sad thing is that you really believe that.

That is your opinion . . . . but it is not Jehovahs.

I think you two are looking at the situation from 2 different points of view.

I do agree with Jan. If the assailant would have followed Bible principles like the one quoted in Psalm 11:5, he would not have shot up a theatre full of innocent people.

I also agree with Rick, in that brothers and sisters who choose to see this movie are not necessarily "lovers of violence"

EDIT: General statement below. Some posters can't seem to tell when a statement is a general statement for the topic itself, and not directed towards another member.

Like I said, when it comes out on Blue Ray, I will rent the movie and watch it. If it is a good movie, I might add it to the shelf in the livingroom where the first 2 movies reside. If anyone has a different opinion that is fine. If reading this is offensive, well, we have a scriptural obligation to keep our mouth shut. End of story.

This keeps me out of the Colosseum, as it were, and out of the way of flying bullets ;)

[Musky]

I do agree with Jan. If the assailant would have followed Bible principles like the one quoted in Psalm 11:5, he would not have shot up a theatre full of innocent people.

That's like saying "If the world followed Bible principles, then there would be no need for Armageddon!" We know that isn't going to happen and we cannot expect a lawless world to act lawfully! We also can't stay at home under our beds either (even though I try)

[Joey]

I do agree with Jan. If the assailant would have followed Bible principles like the one quoted in Psalm 11:5, he would not have shot up a theatre full of innocent people.

That's like saying "If the world followed Bible principles, then there would be no need for Armageddon!" We know that isn't going to happen and we cannot expect a lawless world to act lawfully! We also can't stay at home under our beds either (even though I try)

So we continue going to movie theaters, McDonald's, tourist attractions like the World Trade Center without expecting to be the victims of unbelievable terror ...but when we are we realize the days we are living in are wicked and the why's of what's going on have answers in God's word....and thankfully we have been taught them and are willing to generously share such truths with others.

Nope we can't stay home under the bed.We have work to do.

[trottigy]

We also can't stay at home under our beds either (even though I try)

Musky, there is the problem with the sleeping. It is much more comfortable ON the bed verses UNDER the bed.

To this thread - I am very saddened that this system continues and these crimes continue. I know our great Father is also, but His time to end this is not yet. I will keep praying that "His Kingdom will come and take FULL control of Earth's affairs - SOON!!!"

Stop the madness, but He knows when is the best time and can even undo death. So to Him this is just a temporary situation. I can't wait until the new world and see how He gradually undoes all of the Devil's evilness!! - including this.

[Greenfield]

. . . . . . is kinda losing sight of the important things, IMO. It is silly to even imply that following Bible principles would have prevented these people's deaths.

The sad thing is that you really believe that.

That is your opinion . . . . but it is not Jehovahs.

I think you two are looking at the situation from 2 different points of view.

I do agree with Jan. If the assailant would have followed Bible principles like the one quoted in Psalm 11:5, he would not have shot up a theatre full of innocent people.

I also agree with Rick, in that brothers and sisters who choose to see this movie are not necessarily "lovers of violence" <--- which is what I think Rick was getting at.

Sorry for any confusion.

Yes, when I said "It is silly to even imply that following Bible principles would have prevented these people's deaths," I was referring to the moviegoers, the ones who died. Obviously the assailant should have followed Bible principles.

Bob, you are right in what I was getting at. What I mean basically is that if we were to even sound like we are blaming the victims ('well if they hadn't been such lovers of violence they would have been safe') this could stumble others. Remember this forum is publicly viewable. Like has been said, this could have happened at any movie. He probably did this one because he knew it would be very popular. I really think some would be saying different things had the shooting been at a G rated movie. But really either way it is just a tragedy.

BTW, I personally chose not to see this movie, so I am not defending any particular movie.

[Musky]

To this thread - I am very saddened that this system continues and these crimes continue. I know our great Father is also, but His time to end this is not yet. I will keep praying that "His Kingdom will come and take FULL control of Earth's affairs - SOON!!!"

Stop the madness, but He knows when is the best time and can even undo death. So to Him this is just a temporary situation. I can't wait until the new world and see how He gradually undoes all of the Devil's evilness!! - including this.

Yes, good points Jerry! We need to keep the perspective that it is Satan's whole system of things that is corrupt and causing these tragedies and not just individuals. This morning at least 13 people were killed in one truck accident in Texas! That too should not have happened. We know of people killed in their home when a plane crashed into it. I know it seems worse when someone does it on purpose like the crazy in the theater, but when it comes down to it, Satan is the man slayer! It doesn't matter where we are, time and unforeseen occurrences can befall us. And in this system of things, these occurrences are seldom beneficial!

[Mrs. Musky]

This incident is an extremely sad tragedy, and nothing else. Pontificating about midnight showings and Batman is kinda losing sight of the important things, IMO. It is silly to even imply that following Bible principles would have prevented these people's deaths.

Rick, I completely agree with you...Well said!

[GrumpysWife]

Musky' date=' there is the problem with the sleeping. It is much more comfortable ON the bed verses UNDER the bed. [/quote'] definitely Now I understand the sleep problem, Musky. I agree with Jerry. On the bed, much better, Mrs Musky, you better call Bob for help.

Quote Greenfield This incident is an extremely sad tragedy' date=' and nothing else. Pontificating about midnight showings and Batman is kinda losing sight of the important things, IMO. It is silly to even imply that following Bible principles would have prevented these people's deaths. Rick, I completely agree with you...Well said! [/quote'] Ditto.............