Whats going on?

[Hartley]

A lot of stange things are happening of late. First a message comes up on the JW Org site as to its use. Then I hear that I can't use equipd of my I pad. Now I find JW podcaster 2 on my andriod machines has stopped working. I seems all the tools I use for personal study are being cut offf.

[Cool Cat]

No problems here, everything seems to be working fine.

[surfergirl]

Hi Brother Andrew from Tassie.

It does seem odd.

[trottigy]

Equipd still works fine for me. In fact, it updated and added magazines a few days ago. JWReader still works. Yesterday, it added the new simplified study mag for November.

Edited September 5, 2014 by trottigy

[trottigy]

I don't us podcaster as JWReader has all the audio files stored nicely there.

[Toy Poodles]

What constitutes proper use? You may view, download, and print copyrighted artwork, electronic publications, music, photos, text, videos (“Content”) from this website for your own personal and non-commercial purposes, subject to the restrictions set out below and elsewhere in these Terms of Use. Hence, you may not:

• Post Content from this website on the Internet (any website, file-sharing site, or social network);
  

• Republish Content from this website with or as part of any software application;
  

• Reproduce, duplicate, copy, or otherwise exploit material on this website for a commercial purpose or for money (even if no profit is involved), including the distribution of computer applications based on, connected, or linked (whether static or dynamic) to this website;
  

• Access this site for the purpose of creating and distributing source code, tools, or techniques for conducting any systematic or automated data collection activities (including without limitation scraping, data mining, data extraction, and data harvesting) on or in relation to this website;
  

• Misuse the website or its services, such as interfering with or accessing the website or its services using a method other than what is explicitly provided;
  

• Use this website in any way that causes, or may cause, damage to the website or impairment of the availability or accessibility of the website; or in any way which is unlawful, illegal, fraudulent, or harmful, or in connection with any unlawful, illegal, fraudulent, or harmful purpose or activity;
  

• Use this website for any purposes related to marketing.
  

 

 

I need some clarification: Here are some of the terms of use from the JW.ORG website. Is It saying that I cannot post a link to JW.ORG like on Facebook to encourage non witness family members and friends to look at the site and that specific material that is posted?

[trottigy]

I didn't see anywhere in that that posting a link to the site is wrong. Can you just quote the portion that makes you feel that way?

Edited September 5, 2014 by trottigy

[Toy Poodles]

I didn't see anywhere in that that posting a link to the site is wrong. Can you just quote the portion that makes you feel that way?

 

The very first one that says 

Hence, you may not:

• Post Content from this website on the Internet (any website, file-sharing site, or social network);

What does this actually mean?

[Mykyl]

Hmmm.

 

Use this website for any purposes related to marketing.

 

Does that last point relate to using jw.org on items like badges or umbrellas etc etc etc?

 

Just in case someone takes it as a statement, I am NOT saying this IS what it is saying. Nor am I saying anything against anybody who happens to see badges, buttons umbrellas with jw.org on them as fine.

 

Just querying it as I cannot think of any other reason for this being added to the terms and conditions.

[Mykyl]

The very first one that says 

Hence, you may not:

• Post Content from this website on the Internet (any website, file-sharing site, or social network);

What does this actually mean?

Posting a link would be fine.  Just don't post the actual information "the content" elsewhere. We are encouraged to get people to the website. That way they can read much more that may interest them. Not just bits and pieces we find interesting.

Edited September 5, 2014 by Mykyl

[Toy Poodles]

Thanks for explaining that. 

[trottigy]

Hmmm.

Use this website for any purposes related to marketing.

Does that last point relate to using jw.org on items like badges or umbrellas etc etc etc?

Just in case someone takes it as a statement, I am NOT saying this IS what it is saying. Nor am I saying anything against anybody who happens to see badges, buttons umbrellas with jw.org on them as fine.

Just querying it as I cannot think of any other reason for this being added to the terms and conditions.

To me .... it means the companies that make these - can't advertise that they do. You can still buy them.

[niall]

The very first one that says

Hence, you may not:

• Post Content from this website on the Internet (any website, file-sharing site, or social network);

What does this actually mean?

They wouldn't be asking you not to post the URL (JW.org) as that's how people get to the official web site for Jehovah's Witnesses, and it's what the campaign was all about.

You can't post "content," as in articles, on other sites. Quoting a few sentences with a link back to the original article on JW.org, for the purpose of Witnessing, would be OK.

I guess the main gist of all this is to make sure that members of the public, and we ourselves, look to ONE source for information.

Providing a badge or umbrella with JW.org written on it, free of charge, would not be a commercial use of the web site. Unless you also had your business name associated with the item.

So, "Hire me to clean your house and I'll give you a free tea-towel with JW.org on it," would be commercial use even though you are giving the item away free of charge.

Selling an app that is promoted as being able to access any part of the JW.org site, would be commercial use.

That's the way I see it.

[Toy Poodles]

They wouldn't be asking you not to post the URL (JW.org) as that's how people get to the official web site for Jehovah's Witnesses, and it's what the campaign was all about.

You can't post "content," as in articles, on other sites. Quoting a few sentences with a link back to the original article on JW.org, for the purpose of Witnessing, would be OK.

I guess the main gist of all this is to make sure that members of the public, and we ourselves, look to ONE source for information.

Providing a badge or umbrella with JW.org written on it, free of charge, would not be a commercial use of the web site. Unless you also had your business name associated with the item.

So, "Hire me to clean your house and I'll give you a free tea-towel with JW.org on it," would be commercial use even though you are giving the item away free of charge.

Selling an app that is promoted as being able to access any part of the JW.org site, would be commercial use.

That's the way I see it.

 

Aww very good. I have a tendency to be overly technical and I usually pick everything apart to try and understand every detail. As my brain doesn't work as well as it used to, now when I pick things apart it is hard to put it all back together where it makes sense to me. lol

Thanks again for the explanations, helps my pea brain out a lot. 

[shali]

Aww very good. I have a tendency to be overly technical and I usually pick everything apart to try and understand every detail. As my brain doesn't work as well as it used to, now when I pick things apart it is hard to put it all back together where it makes sense to me. lol

Thanks again for the explanations, helps my pea brain out a lot. 

Funny, my brain works just the opposite - don't give me too many details, everything shuts down. LOL!

[Lance]

Well just think of Google .. It goes to every website and catalogs every subject and topic on that website .. And here is the important part .. It provides a link back to that site even though some of the material was taken from the website to be used as a reference.

Without a search engine the JW.org website would only get to a few million people.. Now billions can access it .. And on many subjects WOL comes back as the number one hit.

The brothers understand that very well ....

[shali]

Well just think of Google .. It goes to every website and catalogs every subject and topic on that website .. And here is the important part .. It provides a link back to that site even though some of the material was taken from the website to be used as a reference.

Without a search engine the JW.org website would only get to a few million people.. Now billions can access it .. And on many subjects WOL comes back as the number one hit.

The brothers understand that very well ....

Wow, even I understood that! Good job Lance!

[Shawnster]

Moving this to the appropriate section.

[warytraveller]

A lot of stange things are happening of late. First a message comes up on the JW Org site as to its use. Then I hear that I can't use equipd of my I pad. Now I find JW podcaster 2 on my andriod machines has stopped working. I seems all the tools I use for personal study are being cut offf.

 

[SUNRAY]

Very funny!!!

Edited September 6, 2014 by SUNRAY

[Hartley]

Well I notice a similarity to last year when we couldn't get bibles. I heard all sorts of conjecture. But I didn't quess that there would be a whole new translation.

Well we are getting close to the AGM again and I wonder whats going on. I'll just have to wait and see.

But that doesn't mean I'm not itching to find out.

[Hartley]

 

What constitutes proper use? You may view, download, and print copyrighted artwork, electronic publications, music, photos, text, videos (“Content”) from this website for your own personal and non-commercial purposes, subject to the restrictions set out below and elsewhere in these Terms of Use. Hence, you may not:

• Post Content from this website on the Internet (any website, file-sharing site, or social network);

• Republish Content from this website with or as part of any software application;

• Reproduce, duplicate, copy, or otherwise exploit material on this website for a commercial purpose or for money (even if no profit is involved), including the distribution of computer applications based on, connected, or linked (whether static or dynamic) to this website;

• Access this site for the purpose of creating and distributing source code, tools, or techniques for conducting any systematic or automated data collection activities (including without limitation scraping, data mining, data extraction, and data harvesting) on or in relation to this website;

• Misuse the website or its services, such as interfering with or accessing the website or its services using a method other than what is explicitly provided;

• Use this website in any way that causes, or may cause, damage to the website or impairment of the availability or accessibility of the website; or in any way which is unlawful, illegal, fraudulent, or harmful, or in connection with any unlawful, illegal, fraudulent, or harmful purpose or activity;

• Use this website for any purposes related to marketing.

 

 

I need some clarification: Here are some of the terms of use from the JW.ORG website. Is It saying that I cannot post a link to JW.ORG like on Facebook to encourage non witness family members and friends to look at the site and that specific material that is posted?

 

Yes it's hard to be obedient when you don't fully understand the instuction.

[Stavro]

Links manually shared with others are not "content", and will never be banned, nor is it even legal to attempt to do so.

 

Short excerpts and images, whether printed or posted online, fall under the fair use doctrine, as long as the content doesn't make up a "substantial" part of the original work, and it's not used for commercial purposes.

 

The focus of the TOS isn't Witnesses who just want to share research with one another, as links or as quotes, the key is that content may not be used "for a commercial purpose or for money".

 

The Bible repeatedly emphasizes the need to be reasonable, and there's no indication that the slave is acting any different, so please let's not become pharisees by implying that everyone else should follow an overly harsh interpretation of the rules.

[warytraveller]

Guess that derails my plans to back the money truck up to my house with a paid app that can only work by scraping data from jworg using watchtower bandwith.

 

[warytraveller]

Well I notice a similarity to last year when we couldn't get bibles. I heard all sorts of conjecture. But I didn't quess that there would be a whole new translation.

Well we are getting close to the AGM again and I wonder whats going on. I'll just have to wait and see.

But that doesn't mean I'm not itching to find out.

 

I'll tell you what's on my wish list:  An easier to use, hardcore interface for Watchtower Library 2014.  I'll be honest, Proverbs nailed it when describing seeking wisdom, because digging through the current WTL interface can be as difficult as searching for silver. I'm very grateful to have it, but hidden treasures indeed.  Here's hoping!

Edited September 7, 2014 by warytraveller