Vaping - anyone know our view?

[Old]

I just seen an ad for vaping for caffeine from some eagle company. It's use for more than nicotine, it guess.

You can vap marijuana, meth, almost any thing you want. It is becoming a major problem with youth.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/us/vaping-abuse/

[Musky]

You can vap marijuana, meth, almost any thing you want. It is becoming a major problem with youth.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/us/vaping-abuse/

 

As soon as I figure out a way to Vap Sushi, I'm going for it! 

[Tortuga]

As soon as I figure out a way to Vap Sushi, I'm going for it! 

Bacon. Bacon ..Bacon!

[kejedo]

Thanks everyone.  An elder told her it was okay.  I'm going to call one of the many vapor shops and try to find out if they all contain chemicals or can you buy one that only uses water.

My oldest son, not in the truth, quit smoking cigarettes using an alternative (e cigarette ?) I know there are many selections in this category, but he used something temporarily and has been completely tobacco-free for some time, now.

[Luezette]

Aside from the obvious concern as to whether it's okay to smoke the stuff, I'm wondering if anyone has thought how Jehovah feels about it. Oh! That was done and I missed it? Sorry.

Well then, how about this one: Can we imagine how it would look if we approve of this thing? What I mean is suppose WE say it's okay? Then what? You know what I see? I see a bunch of Jehovah's witnesses walking down the street, road, whatever, vaping all over the place! Then what happens? Someone or people will ask/say "I thought y'all don't/didn't smoke." We say "we don't. We're vaping." They say "Yeah right. Looks like you're smoking to me/us." We then try to explain the difference. They say "Right. Vaping. Smoking. Raping. Caping. Whatever. You're smoking. Period. We thought you people were different."

The world sees things in black and white. There's no middle ground with them. There's no "splaining" with them. It's either one way or the highway. Why do you think it's usually so hard to talk spiritual things with them?

We have a moral obligation, because we carry Jehovah's name and represent him, to make sure to the best of our abilities to remain separate from the world. We want to cause no misrepresentation. 1Cor. 10:32 says to "Keep from becoming causes for stumbling to Jews as well as Greeks..."

It really doesn't matter how we personally feel about this vaping thing. The very fact that it has different levels of nicotine should be enough to tell us that it's totally unapproved by Jehovah.

[kejedo]

Wow, I wonder if I can vape my One-A-Day vitamin...

You mean Centrum Silver, right?  They match our Bible.

[PrairieGirl]

I also forgot to mention. My best friends daughter did not make the truth her own, and is married to a worldly man who "vapes". My best friend has emphysema. (from her job, not smoke, she worked in a hair salon for 20 years.. big time chemicals not good exhaust). Any how... she said, they said it was only like "water" but when ever she visits her daughter it STILL makes her sick-coughing, can't breath etc.. and she was pretty sure it was more then just water. (this was about 2 or 3 years ago she told me this.)

[Luezette]

Uh huh Heather. Just another case to prove the stuff just ain't no good for anybody but especially for us since Jehovah admonishes us to "present our bodies as a living sacrifice,holy and acceptable to God with your power of reason." Rom.12:1

Edited September 18, 2015 by Luezette

[AH173]

Wow, I wonder if I can vape my One-A-Day vitamin...

  

You can vap marijuana, meth, almost any thing you want. It is becoming a major problem with youth.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/us/vaping-abuse/

The ORIGINAL vaporizer - used VICKS menthol eucalyptus!

[Brenda]

I'm wondering how you plan to handle this situation. Do you plan to talk to the sister? Are you planning to just tell the CO and let him deal with it?

 

I'm curious what you plan to do next...

 

 

 

 

Well, I was planning on just asking the COs opinion on vaping...in a casual way...and go from there.

 

However today...the COBE was with him all morning and afternoon...and the sister was there also.  So I thought it would be 'disrespectful' for me to approach the CO when I hadn't went through the COBE.   

 

I did share the information from all of you...with the sister...as I worked with her this morning.  She didn't really say much...so I'm not sure how she took it.  

 

I will look for an opportunity tomorrow.  Hopefully the COBE will be out and I can talk with him first.  They have their elders meeting tomorrow evening.  

[Brenda]

I've meditated on the fact that you could use tobacco as an incense or even as an aromatic without burning.  Its not like its not part of Jehovah's creation.  its just misused.  I use to like the smell of the tobacco shop in the mall when i was a kid.  had nothing to do with it being smoky.

 

I've heard that tobacco is a perfect food source for cattle.  But it's cost prohibitive...they want cheaper sources of food.  

[Brenda]

I just seen an ad for vaping for caffeine from some eagle company. It's use for more than nicotine, it guess.

 

Yesterday on Dr Oz...he experimented with the vaping of caffeine.  He was connected to electrodes on his brain and Dr Amen tested him while he vaped caffeine.  It did stimulate his brain.  I need to go back and watch it again (from his website) because a sister called while they were discussing the results and I didn't quite catch what it said.

 

But his summary at the end was that he would Not Recommend vaping.  They just don't know enough about the long term effects.

[AH173]

But his summary at the end was that he would Not Recommend vaping.  They just don't know enough about the long term effects.

Right, it's so BRAND NEW.

From a setting where one is in a flammable environment (where combustible gases are present - in a confined space) the voltage from the electrical unit could ignite the flammable gas in that confined space. Heard from a news report.

[Dages]

Saying vaping is ok because it's not really smoking, it's like saying masturbating watching porn is ok because it's not really fornication... 

 

It makes me remember about a member who started a post to ask if it was ok to smoke pot now that it was legalized in some area of the US.

 

Seriously? 

[Tortuga]

It makes me remember about a member who started a post to ask if it was ok to smoke pot now that it was legalized in some area of the US.

 

I think this topic just got a little too far off track. The original post was about a sister that thought vaping was OK because she thought it was just water. This discussion was primarily about understanding what vaping is, not about whether it is right or wrong to use tobacco.

Edited September 18, 2015 by Tortuga

[Brenda]

I spoke with my COBE yesterday.  He said the technique of vaping isn't wrong...because it's used for medical therapy for those with respiratory problems.  But he said he needed to do some research into what is in the ones people are using for recreational purposes or who are trying to get off cigarettes.

 

I spoke with him today...and he didn't mention it. I know he's exhausted being with the CO all week.  So maybe when he has a free moment...he'll research and let me know.  If so, I'll post his response.

[PrairieGirl]

vaping I do not believe is the same as a nebulizer... plus again there is medication in the steam in the nebulizer specifically for the lungs. 

 

So it would be like.. ok if you are prescribed pain medication because you had surgery, as of now that is probably most likely fine with Jehovah. If you go and by pills off the street illegally that are mind altering and didn't have a need for it, that a dr would be rxing you for... that that IS wrong. you wouldn't go and take downers and upper, and this pill for street drug and that pill form street drug, because it's ok for witnesses to take pills. You wouldn't shoot up heroine, cause it's ok for witnesses to have IV pain medication during a surgery... etc... that is very much apples and oranges justification.

[ExquisitePeace]

There's herbs you can vaporize like chamomile, lavender etc for sleep/anxiety. This involves heating the herb before combustion so you vaporize essential oils only (some that you don't get with hot water). What do you think about this?

This type of vaping doesn't need a chemical base like a vegetable base. It just heats the herb, doesn't burn it.

I would NOT go in public vaping or even tell a brother I vaped just not to make anyone stumble.

By the way I don't vape

[Qapla]

It seems this topic may be straying from the original issue ........ or, it could be that I am just getting the wrong understanding

 

Post #68 mentions "vaping" some herbs in a way that sounds like how a "vaporizer" works - that is by using some type of device that puts the vapor/fragrance in the air of a room.

 

I got the impression that the original post was specifically about using "e-cigarettes".

 

When these first came out they were referred to as "smoking", not "vaping". So, it seems to me that, no matter what kind of fancy name you want to give a device that you put into your mouth to "take the place of a cigarette", it is essentially still that same thing.

 

Using a "vaporizer", like the ones that vaporize "Vick's", or having a "Glade Plug-in", or having candles burning is not the same as having a device in your mouth that looks like, works like and may even have the same effects as a cigarette and calling it "vaping" to make it OK.

 

Or, to put it another way:

 

He is not a homosexual, he is gay because it is just alternate life style.

He doesn't get drunk, he only drinks till he doesn't feel any pain.

He isn't gambling, he only buys lottery tickets from the convenience store.

He is not watching porn because the movie was not rated XXX - it was only NC-17.

He is not smoking, only vaping.

[Tortuga]

Using a "vaporizer", like the ones that vaporize "Vick's", or having a "Glade Plug-in", or having candles burning is not the same as having a device in your mouth that looks like, works like and may even have the same effects as a cigarette and calling it "vaping" to make it OK.

 

My understanding of this discussion is different than yours but it's a moot point since the OP found the information she was looking for and has already acted on it.

 

My understanding was the OP was talking about e-cigarettes and wanted to know if using them (vaping) contained nicotine. She also wanted to know that since e-cigarettes (vaping) contained harmful chemicals if someone should recommend vaping to a Bible student as a smoking substitute or as a method to stop smoking.

 

During the discussion it was brought out that e-cigarettes (vaping) may contain just water but most likely will contain nicotine. It was also brought out that using e-cigarettes has the same appearance as smoking so there are drawbacks even if the e-cigarette did not have nicotine.

 

I'm sorry if I misunderstand your post but it looked like you were focused on the terminology that was being used during the discussion when the original question was about the ingredients in an e-cigarette (vaping).

Edited September 20, 2015 by Tortuga

[Qapla]

Richard, if you read my whole post, you and I were/are making the same point.

 

A couple posts above mine seem to be talking about "vaporizing" in general. I was trying to focus it back on the e-cigarette discussion. That is why I made the comment "I got the impression that the original post was specifically about using "e-cigarettes"."

 

I was not the one focused on the terminology, I was trying to steer it back to "vaping" (imitation smoking)

 

And why I made the comparisons at the end.

[Tortuga]

Richard, if you read my whole post, you and I were/are making the same point.

 

A couple posts above mine seem to be talking about "vaporizing" in general. I was trying to focus it back on the e-cigarette discussion. That is why I made the comment "I got the impression that the original post was specifically about using "e-cigarettes"."

 

I was not the one focused on the terminology, I was trying to steer it back to "vaping" (imitation smoking)

 

And why I made the comparisons at the end.

 

Thanks. I wasn't sure if I had understood you correctly. Now I do.

[ExquisitePeace]

Sorry about that. Didn't mean to confuse anyone or steer the original conversation from e-cigs.

[Sheila]

Those who use nicotine replacement aids when trying to give up are more likely to be successful at giving up.

Cold turkey was the only thing that worked for me.   We were living in an old house with 12 foot ceilings back then, and I must admit I  did keep a packet of cigarettes in one of the topmost kitchen cupboards.   To get at them meant climbing up on a chair placed on the table and hope that I didn't fall off whilst blindly rooting around in the cupboard where I'd tossed the packet.   It was my 'safety' valve.   Previous attempts to stop smoking had me trawling the streets at 2am or 3am trying to find some place that was open and could sell me a packet.   Limiting the number smoked each day just made me crankier than usual.    Breaking the smoking habit is a bit like alkaholics and drinking I guess, AA works for some but not others.    

Edited September 23, 2015 by Sheila

[kejedo]

My previous post was about my eldest son, aged 34. He is NOT in the truth. He used e-cigarettes for a limited period of time and tapered to zero level. He quit tobacco altogether with the help of e-cigs. He has been totally cig/ tobacco free for some time now. On the phone today, he expressed some impatience with one of my other sons and with his father (my husband) for still being 'butt heads.'  If one of my bible students was quitting tobacco, I would not recommend a specific method, however, if asked, I might tell my son's experience. Or, I might relate my own experience: I did not pick up smoking at an early age, not in Middle School, not in High school, but I did pick up the habit later. I quit cold turkey when I was expecting my first son. I wish I had quit earlier in my pregnancy, as son number one was the lowest body weight and had respiratory probs the others did not. Or I might tell my mother's story - died a painfully torturous death at age 60 from smoking. None of my Bible students right now is a cigarette smoker. I believe the sister is trying to encourage smoke cessation and some e cigs are tobacco free (zero level.)  OT, but a neighboring sister recommended an unbaptized publisher for baptism and the person is now  our sister,however, I would not have recommended her. Her house is filthy cluttered like the hoarders on tv, and her language is anything but Christian. I happened to mention a little bit of this to my husband's study conductor once, and he said mind my business. (1 Thess 4:11.)  OT, but a pioneer sister asked me to accompany her on her Bible Student's daughter's Birthday Party. There were nuns there and some Social Service agency representatives.The pio sister attended. She had also asked sisters to go to court with her on this Bible Student's custody hearing. She lost custody (the Birthday Party was on a controlled visit.) Of course I declined, but the Birthday party thing started to gnaw at me, so I confided in a brother. He shrugged and said, "Oh well,the pio sister is emotionally involved."  So, I learned to put up, shut up, and rely on Jehovah. 

Edited September 23, 2015 by kejedo