Jehovah's Witnesses anti-gay?

[Bob]

1 hour ago, cricket246 said:

We disagree with alternative lifestyles but we're not homophobic. There are other lifestyles that the Bible says is just as equally wrong - such as relations before marriage between a straight couple, pedophilia, having relations with someone other than your marriage mate. With some people this can become a very defensive or even argumentative subject. The world's thinking is : If you are not FULLY for or agreeable with something, then you are against it and seen as the enemy...

And too add, gay people would rather have JW neighbors than those of any other "Christian" religion. We are virtually the only ones who insist on strict separation of Church and Sate. Of all the groups yelling about the legalization of gay marriage, guess who were not protesting against it? That's right, JWs. So they can complain about our views all they want, however, we've NEVER tried to legally restrict gay relationships and marriage.

[Old]

1 hour ago, cricket246 said:

We disagree with alternative lifestyles but we're not homophobic. There are other lifestyles that the Bible says is just as equally wrong - such as relations before marriage between a straight couple, pedophilia, having relations with someone other than your marriage mate. With some people this can become a very defensive or even argumentative subject. The world's thinking is : If you are not FULLY for or agreeable with something, then you are against it and seen as the enemy...

I am in agreement your position as decribed above, with a possible exception. Where does the Bible mention paedophilia? It is condemned in the broader definition or pornea, but I can't recall it being mentioned specifically in the Bible.  

[minister159]

"You must not bring the hire of a harlot or the price of a dog# into the house of Jehovah your God for any vow, because they are something detestable to Jehovah your God, even both of them." --- Deut. 23:18 Rbi8

 

#Likely a pederast; one who practices anal intercourse, especially with a boy.

 

"Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone liking and carrying on a lie.’" --- Rev. 22:15 Rbi8

 

 

[minister159]

5 hours ago, Vinnie said:

ok, time to stir the pot. Time to set things straight. 

 

 What are you all going on about? Why do you say we are not "anti gay" First off, what does it mean to be anti gay? 

We are not pro-gay and we are not neutral on the subject. We stand on Jehovah's side as to what is right and what is wrong.

 We are not going to brow beat or harm anyone else for being gay. We do not incite any form of violence against their choice. 

We are  tolerant of their choice, while we promote God's standards and his way of living.

 

Jehovah is definitely anti gay. Lev 20:13. But it's a good thing we are no longer under the Mosaic law but under the law of undeserved kindness.

1 Cor. 6: 9,10 is clear that any unrighteous acts described here disqualify a person from inheriting God's Kingdom.  Do we respect people for being thieves, drunk drivers, extortioners?

Romans 1 26-32 has strong words of denunciation as well.

 

Is this a touchy subject or has the world make it that way?  What is good is bad and bad is good.

As I've said on this subject before, anything short of full acceptance, is interpreted by the "gay community" as discriminatory and anti-gay. Tolerance alone is unacceptable in their view, and therein lies the problem. We don't promote, condone or embrace homosexuality in any way or form, and that's our right and duty, in harmony with God's view as clearly indicated in the scriptures.

 

The push for acceptance didn't happen overnight and has been a long time in the making, as part of the Satanic propaganda of this world and its demonic influence, designed to squeeze us into its mold. Will we allow it to pressure us into conforming to its standards of sexual morality when it comes to homosexuality and how we view it?

 

                                                               PROPAGANDA—HOW DANGEROUS IS IT?
"What is propaganda? In this context, it is the use of biased or misleading information to manipulate the way people think and act. Some equate propaganda with “lies, distortion, deceit, manipulation, mind control, [and] psychological warfare” and associate it with “unethical, harmful, and unfair tactics.”—Propaganda and Persuasion.

"How dangerous is propaganda? It is insidious—like an invisible, odorless, poisonous gas—and it seeps into our consciousness. Because we may not see propaganda for what it is, behavior specialist Vance Packard observed: “Many of us are being influenced and manipulated—far more than we realize.” Under its influence, says one scholar, men and women have been “quite easily led into the most preposterously dangerous behaviour”—such as ‘genocide, war, racist hysteria, religious intolerance and many other forms of irrational behaviour.’"—Easily Led—A History of Propaganda.

"Now if mere men can fool us with their propaganda, what might Satan be able to do? He has studied human behavior since man was created. “The whole world” now lies in his power. He can use any part of it to disseminate his lies. (1 John 5:19; John 8:44) So effective has Satan been in ‘blinding people’s minds’ that he now ‘misleads the entire inhabited earth.’(2 Cor. 4:4; Rev. 12:9) How can you resist his propaganda?" --- w17 July

 

Edited May 16, 2017 by minister159

[carlos]

9 hours ago, Vinnie said:

 What are you all going on about? Why do you say we are not "anti gay" First off, what does it mean to be anti gay? 

We are not pro-gay and we are not neutral on the subject. We stand on Jehovah's side as to what is right and what is wrong.

No, Jehovah's Witnesses are not anti gay, and neither Jehovah is. Jehovah doesn't hate homosexuals and neither do we.

 

We respect everybody, including homosexuals. We don't insult or discriminate them, don't protest against them, don't try to limit their rights and certainly don't participate in any kind of harassing or violence against them. We are neutral in political issues such as gay marriage or gay rights. If a homosexual person comes to our meetings or wants to study the Bible we welcome them and don't make any difference in the way we treat them. We are not "antigay" in any way.

 

Of course, we uphold the Bible's clear viewpoint that homosexual relations are detestable to Jehovah. For that reason, Jehovah's Witnesses choose not to live such a lifestyle. We choose for ourselves, not for the others. We don't judge anyone. There are many Christians in our congregations who leave clean moral lives despite having homosexual inclinations, and we don't reject them or hate them.

 

There are many practices the Bible condemns. Smoking is clearly against Bible principles. Many doctrines and practices of the Catholic church are clearly against the Scriptures. And we understand that joining the army would break our neutrality as well as the principle of the sanctity of life. Yet would you say Jehovah's Witnesses are "anti smokers", "anti Catholic" or "anti military"? Then why saying we are "anti gay"?

Edited May 16, 2017 by carlos

[Shawnster]

22 hours ago, Vinnie said:

Do we respect people for being thieves, drunk drivers, extortioners?

Romans 1 26-32 has strong words of denunciation as well.

 

Is this a touchy subject or has the world make it that way?  What is good is bad and bad is good.

 

There is even a greater difference. We actively oppose thieves, extortioners and drunk drivers. We turn them in to the police. We report their crime. We try to stop them from getting behind the wheel. We yell "stop, thief" to draw attention to their misconduct and try to stop them from stealing. 

 

On the other hand we do not physically stop someone engaging in homosexual conduct, we do not yell to publicly expose these people and we don't get the police to chase them simply for their sexual orientation. 

[Thesauron]

ok, time to stir the pot. Time to set things straight. 
 
 What are you all going on about? Why do you say we are not "anti gay" First off, what does it mean to be anti gay? 
We are not pro-gay and we are not neutral on the subject. We stand on Jehovah's side as to what is right and what is wrong.
 We are not going to brow beat or harm anyone else for being gay. We do not incite any form of violence against their choice. 
We are  tolerant of their choice, while we promote God's standards and his way of living.
 
Jehovah is definitely anti gay. Lev 20:13. But it's a good thing we are no longer under the Mosaic law but under the law of undeserved kindness.
1 Cor. 6: 9,10 is clear that any unrighteous acts described here disqualify a person from inheriting God's Kingdom.  Do we respect people for being thieves, drunk drivers, extortioners?
Romans 1 26-32 has strong words of denunciation as well.
 
Is this a touchy subject or has the world make it that way?  What is good is bad and bad is good.

You might be mixing things up. Take the example of a brother I know. He is an alcoholic. From what I know he was predisposed to having a hard time controlling such urges. I love him. He is my brother. And he is struggling with a very hard issue. I would not want him to be treated worse because of this. I hate the alcoholism though, and if he succumbs to it too much and don't want to get up, he cannot be a brother until he has it under control. He will probably have to live with this until the new world. The Bible clearly states that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom. (1Co 6:10) Through his struggles we support him, sometimes carry him. Even though his own confidence is weak sometimes, those of us who know him are confident he will reach that Kingdom. He's an alcoholic, but he could just as well have been any other of the things mentioned in 2Co 6. And should he stumble and fall 100 times, he will reach the kingdom if he gets up again. So I would not preach hell fire when he is weak, but give him hope. As much as I hate the act, there's hope and love that must conquer all. I don't respect him for being an alcoholic. I respect him for taking up the fight.


Johan

[tucker]

We have welcomed those who enter our Kingdom Halls wearing 'Daisy Duke' shorts, jeans with holes which bare some semiprivate bodily areas, and many other costumes. What we object to is for them  to  try to break up our worship. Those who won't sit quietly and listen to the program are ,if necessary, physically removed. We don't care what their beliefs, orientations, past or  present occupations are as long as they respect our right to conduct  our meetings without interruption.