Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[ladiife]

1 hour ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

K. We will agree to disagree then.

 

Moving on…

This has got me thinking as to what is actually the tipping point that creates chaos after such a proclamation is made. The Bible did say instantly, I’m sure there must be some sort of catalyst that makes all heck break loose.

Jesus told the Christians to flee to the mountains when they saw armies surrounding Jerusalem. “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,+ then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Luke 21:20. The Roman army retreated giving those obedient to Jesus' command time to flee. And they could not go back if they wanted to preserve their lives. The desolation did not occur right away from a human standpoint - as in over night. But Jesus said the desolation was near when they saw the armies surrounding Jerusalem. We just need to pay attention to Bible prophecy and not get lax. Whether it takes 4 years, 10 years, 25 years or longer, all the signs are here that the destruction of this system is near. My ex-husband is waiting on the "cry" of peace and security to change his life around. There are people actually thinking when that cry happens, I'll know and be able to come to Jehovah's organization. 1-Thessalonians 5:3 said, "Whenever it is they ARE SAYING..." not whenever it is they say. Saying is an active ongoing thing like birth pains. Birth pains don't happen once and the baby arrive. Birth pains happen over time and get worse until that baby finally arrives. Paul compared this to birth pains of a pregnant woman. When Jesus told about the fall of Jerusalem, he gave a specific scene that would play out that they had to pay attention to. He also likened the last days to the buds of trees. He used the term, whenever they "are budding." Buds don't just appear on a tree all at once. It's an active ongoing process. They go through the Spring season, and Jesus said, "When they are budding, you see it for yourselves and know that now the summer is near. ³¹ Likewise also you, when you see these things happening, know that the Kingdom of God is near." He used the word "happening." Events that would take place over a period of time until finally Jehovah's day arrives "as a snare." Jesus said. You don't see a snare. You just fall into it if you are not aware or paying attention. A lot of people have things that they know they need to seriously work on and are waiting on this "cry." The scriptures in these instances when the speakers are warning us use present participles to describe a time period. That's what I gather when I've done deeper research.

[grain of mustard]

17 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Você está fazendo suposições muito grandes. Já ouviu falar de um Comitê de Ensino e o que ele envolve? 

My assumption is based on the understanding that spiritual food is given to us by the slave and not by the committee. If the committee has any understanding, it should pass it on to the slave to research and make a decision. No committee meets to study the Bible in search of new understanding. Never. Committees can even study but with the updated understanding in the publications. That is why the members of the governing body strive to focus on studying the Bible and leave bureaucratic matters in the hands of the committees, although this is sometimes difficult to reconcile. 

[Cool.As.Ice]

The way this conversation is going right now, perhaps a reminder is in order as to how the slave is organized and how the work is directed:

 

Please Take Note:

*** ijwfq article 41 par. 6 What Is the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses? ***
The Governing Body has established six committees to oversee various aspects of our work, and each member serves on one or more of these committees.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=502015165&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=9
 

This should answer any questions people have as to how the work is directed and organized. Simple but thorough explanation; seriously, what other organization on this earth comes even close to doing what Jehovah’s organization does? 
 

For me, the answer is obvious. As to others, only they can answer that question for themselves.

[New World Explorer]

1 hour ago, grain of mustard said:

My assumption is based on the understanding that spiritual food is given to us by the slave and not by the committee. If the committee has any understanding, it should pass it on to the slave to research and make a decision. No committee meets to study the Bible in search of new understanding. Never. Committees can even study but with the updated understanding in the publications. That is why the members of the governing body strive to focus on studying the Bible and leave bureaucratic matters in the hands of the committees, although this is sometimes difficult to reconcile. 

What are you implying then? That the current organizational structure is not good enough? It’s lacking? 

[New World Explorer]

President Donald Trump said Sunday that Russian President Vladimir Putin “has gone absolutely CRAZY” and that he is “not happy with what Putin is doing” after Moscow launched its largest aerial attack of its three-year war on Ukraine overnight.

“I’ve always had a very good relationship with Vladimir Putin of Russia, but something has happened to him. He has gone absolutely CRAZY! He is needlessly killing a lot of people, and I’m not just talking about soldiers. Missiles and drones are being shot into Cities in Ukraine, for no reason whatsoever,” Trump posted on Truth Social, hours after he told reporters, “I’m not happy with what Putin is doing. He’s killing a lot of people, and I don’t know what the hell happened to Putin.”https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/25/politics/trump-putin-ukraine-airstrikes

 

Obviously Mr. Trump needs to study the Bible about KOTN... 

[grain of mustard]

5 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

O que você quer dizer então? Que a estrutura organizacional atual não é boa o suficiente? Está faltando? 

the structure of the organization is excellent. BUT IT IS NOT PERFECT.  

[grain of mustard]

6 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

Do jeito que a conversa está indo agora, talvez seja necessário um lembrete sobre como o escravo é organizado e como o trabalho é direcionado:

 

Atenção:

*** ijwfq artigo 41 parágrafo 6 O que é o Corpo Governante das Testemunhas de Jeová? ***
O Corpo Governante estabeleceu seis comitês para supervisionar vários aspectos do nosso trabalho, e cada membro serve em um ou mais desses comitês.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=502015165&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=9
 

Isso deve responder a quaisquer perguntas que as pessoas tenham sobre como a obra é dirigida e organizada. Uma explicação simples, mas completa; falando sério, que outra organização na Terra chega perto de fazer o que a organização de Jeová faz? 
 

Para mim, a resposta é óbvia. Quanto aos outros, só eles podem responder a essa pergunta por si mesmos.

Be more objective, by this do you mean that a committee will meet and study Revelation to update the understanding? Brother, when I'm wrong I have no problem recognizing it, but what you're saying is absurd. 

[New World Explorer]

4 minutes ago, grain of mustard said:

the structure of the organization is excellent. BUT IT IS NOT PERFECT.  

Thus, we arrived at the point where everyone says “yep we know this” 

We all know that Jehovah is bringing improvements and refinement gradually. Just look at the history of our organization in the “Proclaimers” book. Chapter 15 goes into structural developments. 
Do you think our organization responds to Christ’s directions and leading of the Spirit? 

[New World Explorer]

15 minutes ago, grain of mustard said:

Be more objective, by this do you mean that a committee will meet and study Revelation to update the understanding? Brother, when I'm wrong I have no problem recognizing it, but what you're saying is absurd. 

Do you think “Peace and Security” topic is a right spot to discuss this?
Please let’s get back to the point of this topic… namely Peace and Security. 

[grain of mustard]

1 hour ago, New World Explorer said:

Assim, chegamos ao ponto em que todos dizem “sim, nós sabemos disso”. 

Todos sabemos que Jeová está trazendo melhorias e refinamento gradualmente. Basta olhar para a história da nossa organização no livro "Proclamadores". O capítulo 15 aborda os desenvolvimentos estruturais. 
Você acha que a nossa organização responde às orientações de Cristo e à liderança do Espírito? 

Since I never denied that Jehovah and Jesus run the organization, there is no reason for you to ask that. Just read my comments again and you will find the answers. 

[grain of mustard]

1 hour ago, New World Explorer said:

Você acha que o tema “Paz e Segurança” é o lugar certo para discutir isso?
Por favor, vamos voltar ao ponto principal deste tópico… ou seja, Paz e Segurança. 

Yes, my dear, let's continue with the topic. As there was a need to adjust the understanding of who was really designated to provide spiritual food, we got a little off topic. 

[Áine]

8 hours ago, ladiife said:

Jesus told the Christians to flee to the mountains when they saw armies surrounding Jerusalem. “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,+ then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Luke 21:20. The Roman army retreated giving those obedient to Jesus' command time to flee. And they could not go back if they wanted to preserve their lives. The desolation did not occur right away from a human standpoint - as in over night. But Jesus said the desolation was near when they saw the armies surrounding Jerusalem. We just need to pay attention to Bible prophecy and not get lax. Whether it takes 4 years, 10 years, 25 years or longer, all the signs are here that the destruction of this system is near. My ex-husband is waiting on the "cry" of peace and security to change his life around. There are people actually thinking when that cry happens, I'll know and be able to come to Jehovah's organization. 1-Thessalonians 5:3 said, "Whenever it is they ARE SAYING..." not whenever it is they say. Saying is an active ongoing thing like birth pains. Birth pains don't happen once and the baby arrive. Birth pains happen over time and get worse until that baby finally arrives. Paul compared this to birth pains of a pregnant woman. When Jesus told about the fall of Jerusalem, he gave a specific scene that would play out that they had to pay attention to. He also likened the last days to the buds of trees. He used the term, whenever they "are budding." Buds don't just appear on a tree all at once. It's an active ongoing process. They go through the Spring season, and Jesus said, "When they are budding, you see it for yourselves and know that now the summer is near. ³¹ Likewise also you, when you see these things happening, know that the Kingdom of God is near." He used the word "happening." Events that would take place over a period of time until finally Jehovah's day arrives "as a snare." Jesus said. You don't see a snare. You just fall into it if you are not aware or paying attention. A lot of people have things that they know they need to seriously work on and are waiting on this "cry." The scriptures in these instances when the speakers are warning us use present participles to describe a time period. That's what I gather when I've done deeper research.

There are many who feel this way including many who are not at the centre of the congregation, they think that they can just suddenly pull their socks up and step in at the last moment…. However that to me is planning! And we will have to wait and see how Jesus and Jehovah feel about that!

 

I agree, regarding peace and security… it says that it could be a shock to us and that can only be because we are looking for something else and we may will be astonished that the first thing we hear is the destruction of false religion… now that would surprise us! 

[LeolaRootStew]

11 hours ago, ladiife said:

My ex-husband is waiting on the "cry" of peace and security to change his life around. There are people actually thinking when that cry happens, I'll know and be able to come to Jehovah's organization. 

 

That's an intriguing viewpoint to have. I think if someone is planning on turning their life around at the "last minute", they must view following Jehovah's standards now as too extreme, too burdensome, or too scary. When they come face to face with the trials of the GT, how are they going to view them? Likely, as too extreme, too burdensome, and too scary.

[Dages]

1 hour ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

That's an intriguing viewpoint to have. I think if someone is planning on turning their life around at the "last minute", they must view following Jehovah's standards now as too extreme, too burdensome, or too scary. When they come face to face with the trials of the GT, how are they going to view them? Likely, as too extreme, too burdensome, and too scary.

"When the world war starts, I'll know and be able to enlist... In the meantime, I don't want to train for anything"

 

What a fine soldier that would be... Definitely safe to be around in the trench...

 

That's sad to read these ideas... How will these people be able to endure?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:42 PM by Dages

[Tortuga]

4 hours ago, grain of mustard said:

Since I never denied that Jehovah and Jesus run the organization, there is no reason for you to ask that. Just read my comments again and you will find the answers. 

Your language translator has made some of your comments very confusing and reading them again doesn't help, so please do not get upset if there is a misunderstanding. 

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

That's an intriguing viewpoint to have. I think if someone is planning on turning their life around at the "last minute", they must view following Jehovah's standards now as too extreme, too burdensome, or too scary. When they come face to face with the trials of the GT, how are they going to view them? Likely, as too extreme, too burdensome, and too scary.

 

58 minutes ago, Dages said:

"When the world war starts, I'll know and be able to enlist... In the meantime, I don't want to train for anything"

 

What a fine soldier that would be... Definitely safe to be around in the trench...

 

That's sad to read these ideas... How will these people be able to endure?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. 

 

"it's too hard for me to do now, so I'll wait to do it when it's much, much harder." 

 

Makes sense to me. 

[Doug]

5 hours ago, Áine said:

There are many who feel this way including many who are not at the centre of the congregation, they think that they can just suddenly pull their socks up and step in at the last moment….And we will have to wait and see how Jesus and Jehovah feel about that!

 

 

Talk about a lame , sick or blind sacrifice!!!!!

 

"Try presenting them, please, to your governor.  Will he be pleased with you?" says Jehovah of armies .  Mal. 1:7

[Cool.As.Ice]

I think it is a tendency of people to procrastinate until it’s too late…

[Korotkiy]

about 300 of 50..90 kg drones and many missigles over Ukraine every night...

It is very annoing sound when Shahed-136 flying just over your building. and again and again...

We cannot do nothing just move family from one room of block flat to another heaering to sound...

But finally just sleep because we cannot do anything,

 

[Sofia]

5 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Your language translator has made some of your comments very confusing and reading them again doesn't help, so please do not get upset if there is a misunderstanding. 

I think a lot is being missed during translation. I understand both languages so I know what I’m taking about

[Sofia]

27 minutes ago, Korotkiy said:

about 300 of 50..90 kg drones and many missigles over Ukraine every night...

It is very annoing sound when Shahed-136 flying just over your building. and again and again...

We cannot do nothing just move family from one room of block flat to another heaering to sound...

But finally just sleep because we cannot do anything,

 

You are all constantly in our daily prayers 

Ukraine war was NEVER normalized in our minds 

that psychopathic aggression is caused by Demons and we know Jehovah is stronger than them 

keep your shields of faith upon you and trust Jehovah will help you endure 🫶💫

[hatcheckgirl]

2 hours ago, Korotkiy said:

about 300 of 50..90 kg drones and many missigles over Ukraine every night...

It is very annoing sound when Shahed-136 flying just over your building. and again and again...

We cannot do nothing just move family from one room of block flat to another heaering to sound...

But finally just sleep because we cannot do anything,

 

Brother Yura and all our family in Ukraine, we love you so very much!! Your example of endurance under the most difficult circumstances shows us Jehovah is with you 💗He will never let you down.

[Dages]

3 hours ago, Korotkiy said:

about 300 of 50..90 kg drones and many missigles over Ukraine every night...

It is very annoing sound when Shahed-136 flying just over your building. and again and again...

We cannot do nothing just move family from one room of block flat to another heaering to sound...

But finally just sleep because we cannot do anything,

 

Many bubbles of prayer are floating to Jehovah, my брат.

[daydream]

58 minutes ago, Dages said:

брат

 

https://en.bab.la/dictionary/russian-english/брат

sounds like b rat. That is easy to remember.

Spoiler

 

Edited 17 hours ago by daydream

[Watching and Waiting]

2 hours ago, daydream said:

sounds like b rat.

‘brat’ is the English alphabet equivalency of  Russian letters "брат"

 

The pronunciation sounds like the English word ‘brought’ phonetically, as in “He ‘brought’ a friend with him,” but with a slight roll of the tongue. 
 

This I did learn when in a Russian group for a  time. 

All of our dear brothers and sisters in Ukraine are in need of our constant prayers. I cannot imagine how unsetting and frightening it would be under the circumstances Brother Yura describes.
 

The 2021 year text comes to mind, 

"Your strength will be in keeping calm and showing trust." —Isaiah 30:15